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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#881
On November 12 2012 20:14 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 20:12 HaXXspetten wrote:
anyone mind informing exactly how DRG lost?

he played horribly


To further the point DRG in games 1 and 3 tried attacks that didnt work and then didnt have army to hold attack in g1 and just died in g3.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 11:16:09
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#882
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.

Wut? Did you... watch the game? o.O

He lost all but like 6 vikings after he won the air battle, and it happened that his random factory placements prevented him from immediately dying to the 18 ultras.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#883
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.

Well he did have sim city on one side of his base with all the factories. Curious just went around and attacked the other side though.
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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#884
On November 12 2012 20:12 HaXXspetten wrote:
anyone mind informing exactly how DRG lost?


DRG try this weird roach/ling pressure on daybreak while creator was on 2 base (around 9-10 min i htink) and failed to perfect defense...Creator opened stargate and just did a chargelot/archon/colo/stalker timing prehive i believe

DRG wins game 2 b/c it's that map where it's impossible to get a 3rd for Protoss...it's a new map

DRG tries a roach all-in on entombed but creator defends like a boss
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#885
On November 12 2012 20:12 L3g3nd_ wrote:
ryung slipped up, this game isnt about balance, if he added PF walls and waited until he had some BC he woulda been okay, he only had PF wall on one side (and it wasnt even up yet) when the ultra counter came. if he had PFs on both sides and some BC he woulda dominated the ultra and won easily

i think the thing people are pissed off about is that ryung killed curious's brood lord infestor corruptor army pretty convincingly and in 35 seconds curious was instantly maxed with a hard counter army to ryungs

so ryung didnt really even have time to capitalize on killing the zergs whole army
Maruprime.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
November 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#886
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.

He actually did what you suggested in 2°).
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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
November 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#887
On November 12 2012 20:12 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 20:11 Sc2Null wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:10 andaylin wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:09 Sc2Null wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:07 dainbramage wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:05 Sc2Null wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote:
Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough?


It didn't align with other T3 build times...I believe the previous BT was 70s..stop complaining

Going from 5 seconds less than a colossus to that of an immortal is aligning with t3 build times?


Your not factoring in chronoboost of a colossus....just stop

Sc2Null is just upset at the impending infester nerfs


Infestor nerfs? Link please? I'm also pretty sure that game was won, not because of infestors, but because of the bank curious had to remax. It is the job of the terran/toss to prevent zerg from getting to that stage.


its not anyone job to kill a 6queen you-cant-harass-or-anything-me race


Well, far be it from me to discuss theorycraft with random people on TL forum...
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
November 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#888
On November 12 2012 20:13 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 20:13 Fearest wrote:
Terran should try Max Mech into Max Bio into Max Mech just like Zerg

don't forget the skyterran switch too

don't forget the double ebay, quad armory
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#889
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.


Number 2 is sort of what he did and was only reason he lived that long. Maybe mech as is just doesnt work in super late game though if you arent able to do crippling damage with your push before the remax or push before capacity to do so happens.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#890
I do know he did a sim city on one side. I wish he also did the same thing on the other side that could've prevented the Ultras from killing his 5th.
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#891
At least by landing the vikings he forced some basketballs lol

Not saccing the vikings = more dead supply against 18 ultras coming
Revolutionist fan
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#892
balance whine after that game? curious was miles ahead after the early game, where ryung lost his first banshee to a spore and did absolutely nothing with 10 hellions 5 scv pull

guess it doesnt matter what happens, every zerg win gets invalidated in lr nowadays (without bans ofc)
dddoushio
Profile Joined November 2012
81 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#893
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.


Vikings are useless against ultras.

Ryungdid retreat, curious just ignored his army and killed every expansion before suiciding all ultras into the simcity.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#894
On November 12 2012 20:14 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 20:09 Blaec wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:08 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:05 Blaec wrote:
On November 12 2012 20:04 sicueft wrote:
Wait, why was Ultra time reduced again? Because zergs whined that they weren't being used enough?


Errr I put myself in the perfect postion for max ultras to beat me, obviously they are OP.

Silly Ryung killing the BL army.


Maybe he should avoid situations were Curious has all the money and larva he wants to go max ultra.


Thats not really feasable. What Ryung needed was for his Ravens not to die really but going from the amount of max energy ravens he had down to 2 really hurt him. If he had attacked without that many Ravens he would have lost the fight but if they were still alive then maybe he is able to hold even though the ultra switch did sooooooo much damage.


Not sure how you save Ravens that HSM since they have to fly into the teeth of the army to launch them. Maybe if Raven HSM had more range.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#895
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Profile Joined July 2012
251 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#896
On November 12 2012 20:15 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 20:12 L3g3nd_ wrote:
ryung slipped up, this game isnt about balance, if he added PF walls and waited until he had some BC he woulda been okay, he only had PF wall on one side (and it wasnt even up yet) when the ultra counter came. if he had PFs on both sides and some BC he woulda dominated the ultra and won easily

i think the thing people are pissed off about is that ryung killed curious's brood lord infestor corruptor army pretty convincingly and in 35 seconds curious was instantly maxed with a hard counter army to ryungs

so ryung didnt really even have time to capitalize on killing the zergs whole army


exactly. in a weird way if you beat a zerg gglord army in late game, you're basically making trouble for yourself.

that's beyond ridiculous
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
November 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#897
Hard to like a game when the loser plays as good, if not better, than his opponent. Even though it was obvious that both played really well it was also obvious that Ryung had to put in a lot more effort.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
November 12 2012 11:18 GMT
#898
On November 12 2012 20:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
At least by landing the vikings he forced some basketballs lol

Not saccing the vikings = more dead supply against 18 ultras coming

Hmm I'm not too sure. He was nowhere near maxed, so he could have kept them I think.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 12 2012 11:18 GMT
#899
Creator actually has the most trouble against Curious from what I've seen

GO CREATOR!
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
November 12 2012 11:18 GMT
#900
On November 12 2012 20:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think Ryung could have done better if:

1. He didn't land and sac most of his Vikings after killing of the BLs.
2. Defended against the Ultra switch better. Maybe retreat behind some kind of loose sim-city that would fuck with the Ultras' pathing AI.



i feel like this is a troll post...
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