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I'm going with Happy/Hack. No bias here 
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On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh?
No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust?
Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro.
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I'm gonna be running into Sandy if it's not RorO and Symbol advancing
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The way Roro dominated DongRaeGu, I think there's no way Symbol can take him out.
However, Symbol also has sick ZvT, so think he will beat either Hack or Happy.
So, just because Symbol seems like an unlucky guy, I'll bet that Happy upsets takes the group, and then Symbol loses twice to Roro and goes down to code A.
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On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro.
It works two ways, buddy. We can't say that those Zergs are better in the same way we can't say RoRo is better than those Zergs. I chose that "1" tournament because it gives us a sample of how the other Kespa players are doing. Did you even watch the ro16-4 games of the invitational when it was Kespa vs Kespa, or are you just blowing out a lot of hot air? If you haven't, I recommend buying a $10 watch the games and tell me otherwise because I get an indication that your speaking to me blindly without even knowing the level of those games.
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On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro.
you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet)
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I am expecting Happy to upset this group and get out, maybe not in first place, but possibly second, with Roro topping the group. Symbol will tilt after getting Rorolled, and lose easily in the losers match. ;p No idea how he will do it, but I have a feeling Happy will advance in some extremely outlandish fashion. But we will see!
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On October 30 2012 01:24 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro. you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet)
So we can't say Rain is the best Kespa player thus far?
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On October 29 2012 22:23 Fusilero wrote:
These terrans are going to be so happy if they can take a hack at the zergs, okay that was a horrible pun I sincerely apologise for it.
Symbol will prove you rorong.
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On October 30 2012 01:45 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:24 Elroi wrote:On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro. you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet) So we can't say Rain is the best Kespa player thus far?
Are we running away from the initial argument? Rain is indeed the best Kespa player on SC2 so far. Why? He got his team to the play offs in PL, made it to ro4 of the GSL on his first try, won WCS Asia, and OSL. RoRo hasn't won any tournaments thus your argument about him being the best Kespa Zerg is illogical after the Rain/Hyvaa series.
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On October 30 2012 01:45 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:24 Elroi wrote:On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro. you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet) So we can't say Rain is the best Kespa player thus far?
Whoah. Let's all relax, people. Let's just wait for the games. Thus far, Roro has proven himself in more offline tournaments. Let's just say that given MvP results, there are other Kespa zergs who are potentially better than Roro is.
Either way, I'm just excited for the games and they're more than half a day away.
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On October 30 2012 01:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:45 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 01:24 Elroi wrote:On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro. you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet) So we can't say Rain is the best Kespa player thus far? Are we running away from the initial argument? Rain is indeed the best Kespa player on SC2 so far. Why? He got his team to the play offs in PL, made it to ro4 of the GSL on his first try, won WCS Asia, and OSL. RoRo hasn't won any tournaments thus your argument about him being the best Kespa Zerg is illogical after the Rain/Hyvaa series.
Not at all, you just strengthened my arguement. Notice that you took Rain's performance from various tournaments. If we look at Roro, he was one of the top Kespa zergs in PL, made code S from Code A (only Kespa Zerg to do so), top Kespa Zerg in WCS Korean (thus WCS Asia) as well. How is calling him the best Kespa Zerg thus far illogical? If we just use MvP results which you seem to consider more relevant due to time frame and 'level of player'. Shouldn't Baby and Soulkey be considered for #1 as well?
Look, I am not saying Soulkey and SoO aren't great zergs from Kespa. But by results, Roro has to be considered the better player up to now.
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On October 30 2012 01:46 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 22:23 Fusilero wrote:
These terrans are going to be so happy if they can take a hack at the zergs, okay that was a horrible pun I sincerely apologise for it. Symbol will prove you rorong.
Roro will make a symbol out of these terrans showing them just how much of a hack they are as players. LOL!
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On October 30 2012 02:01 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 01:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 01:45 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 01:24 Elroi wrote:On October 30 2012 01:08 vthree wrote:On October 30 2012 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 30 2012 00:02 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On October 29 2012 23:34 vthree wrote:On October 29 2012 23:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Hyvaa even 4-1ed Rain that event. IMHappy beat Rain as well so I guess Happy is the top eSF Terran... This tournament was more recent. Also, Rain had won WCS Asia which shows that he was well experienced. Also, he 4-1ed DRG in the same mu a week later and also won OSL. Keep your sarcasm coming. I'll shut you down each and every time. Have you noticed that you are the only one not considering Roro the top Kespa Zerg so far by results? You keep mentioning about spotlight. The other zergs all had the same chances. Roro was seeded to code A for his PL performances. Which meant he was one of the top PL zergs. He also made it through the WCS Korea which all the other Kespa zergs all tried to do as well. As others have mentioned, MvP was online and cross server so the results do have less weight compare to these other results. Also, the original poster said 'IMO' and your response was 'you are wrong!' And then you got shut down hard... People call Rain the best Kespa player as well (and maybe best player overall, Kespa, non Kespa). Using your argument, you could call them wrong as well because he lost 4-1 to hyvaa so hyvaa should be #1 but we just haven't seen him in other tournaments. The difference is the length of time that has elasped since those PL games. Kespa players have gotten better since then. While Roro may have been doing well at the earliest stages of the transition that doesn't mean that he is the best Zerg. Also, when did I say Hyvaa was "#1" lol I used Hyvaas lopsided win over rain as an example that RoRo might not be the best Kespa zerg that everybody thinks and that there are others in the running that haven't been in the spotlight much. I did however say that I agree that RoRo has done better then all other Kespa zergs by offline tournament results but that doesn't make him the best Kespa zerg. It makes him the most successful thus far. we have yet to see who the best Kespa Zerg is and we will get that opportunity in the next season of Pro League. Also, what are you talking about, "You were shut down hard"? I think your just trying to fit in a punchline to give your paragraph some validation that it holds weight or something lol. Also, you have quotations on something I didn't directly say. 'You are wrong' I never said that. I said 'he isn't" and gave supporting evidence for my opinion. Also, your mentioning of Rain only supports my opinion. Because the best overall player being beat 4-1 by somebody who many of the SC2 fans know nothing about only shows that there might possibly be some better Kespa zergs out there. As I recall, RoRo lost to CjHero. So, judging by your logic: Cjhero is the second best Kespa toss, huh? No, when someone ask you who was better, your name Soulkey, SoO, hyvaa, Effort. And your main arguement was the MvP results. What I am trying to say is you can't look at 1 tournament only. Hyvaa and SoO went 36-12 and Roro went 35-13. With other results Roro has been putting up, you cannot claim SoO and Hyvaa are 'better'. I am not sure I follow you logic that tho Roro has had the best offline results, you can't call him the best thus far. However, in the next PL, we will find the best Zerg? Even if SoO dominates the next PL, couldn't we just say JD is actually better but it takes him longer to adjust? Maybe Soulkey, Effort, etc will tear up this GSL? But based on results thus far, you cannot make the claim that soO, Soukey, hyvaa, and Effort are better than Roro. you're right, but i would say there is a very good chance Hyvaa, soo and Soulkey are equal or better than roro. anyway, the kespa players still aren't 100% in this game, we still have no idea who will be the best over some time. (i think flash has shown the most potential of them all, but he hasn't won very much yet) So we can't say Rain is the best Kespa player thus far? Are we running away from the initial argument? Rain is indeed the best Kespa player on SC2 so far. Why? He got his team to the play offs in PL, made it to ro4 of the GSL on his first try, won WCS Asia, and OSL. RoRo hasn't won any tournaments thus your argument about him being the best Kespa Zerg is illogical after the Rain/Hyvaa series. Not at all, you just strengthened my arguement. Notice that you took Rain's performance from various tournaments. If we look at Roro, he was one of the top Kespa zergs in PL, made code S from Code A (only Kespa Zerg to do so), top Kespa Zerg in WCS Korean (thus WCS Asia) as well. How is calling him the best Kespa Zerg thus far illogical? If we just use MvP results which you seem to consider more relevant due to time frame and 'level of player'. Shouldn't Baby and Soulkey be considered for #1 as well? Look, I am not saying Soulkey and SoO aren't great zergs from Kespa. But by results, Roro has to be considered the better player up to now.
This is hilarious. Reason being, you are literally trying to change the subject because you lost the first argument. I took "Rains" "tournament victories" as achievements. Rain has 2 RoRo has 0, Zip, Nada. If RoRo had at least 1 then you would have a valid argument worth debating about. But until then, just accept the fact that Kespa have other Zergs that are on par or even better then RoRo. That's all you had to do from the beginning and it wouldn't have escalated this far.
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you two win the award for most pointless argument of the day by the way
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On October 30 2012 02:15 Dodgin wrote:
you two win the award for most pointless argument of the day by the way
Great. I guess that means I am one more award closer to catching up with you since you have a history of these "pointless arguments".
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On October 30 2012 02:19 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 02:15 Dodgin wrote:
you two win the award for most pointless argument of the day by the way Great. I guess that means I am one more award closer to catching up with you since you have a history of these "pointless arguments".
Wow, PMS much? 
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Gogo Roro and Hack. Though I don't particularly like Hack, it will be cool to see what he does. His play is usually very tricky.
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Roro is going to cause some pain tonight
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EPT
