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Wow awesome games tonight...rly looking forward to Rain vs MC and Crank vs Flash
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Possible OSL finals preview o_o
Hope this will let me know who i should cheer for in the ro4 match.
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I'm ready for some exciting matches!
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Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match.
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On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match.
too bad it's pvp
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On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp
This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China.
And today's games are good.
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On October 13 2012 07:41 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China. And today's games are good.
No it's not... thats a horrible analogy.... I agree all the games are good, but that was just a bad analogy. You can't compare a coin flippy at best mirror match up to a presidential election.... wtf?
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On October 13 2012 07:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:41 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China. And today's games are good. No it's not... thats a horrible analogy.... I agree all the games are good, but that was just a bad analogy. You can't compare a coin flippy at best mirror match up to a presidential election.... wtf?
Man, you are too serious.
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On October 13 2012 07:46 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 13 2012 07:41 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China. And today's games are good. No it's not... thats a horrible analogy.... I agree all the games are good, but that was just a bad analogy. You can't compare a coin flippy at best mirror match up to a presidential election.... wtf? Man, you are too serious.
Awhhh, why didn't you go with the obvious Joker line there? Perfect timing for a "Whyy sooo seriousss?" 
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On October 13 2012 07:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:41 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China. And today's games are good. No it's not... thats a horrible analogy.... I agree all the games are good, but that was just a bad analogy. You can't compare a coin flippy at best mirror match up to a presidential election.... wtf?
some people just read WAY too far into context.
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Holy shit, Bisu is doing great. Too bad we only saw a couple of his games.
edit: oh wait, did it show Rain in second place?
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Wrong game going on... Have a counter or something this is confusing.
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Why am I watching ads if this is a PPV?
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On October 13 2012 08:10 leandroqm wrote:
Why am I watching ads if this is a PPV?
Are you sure you're watching the right stream? I haven't seen an ad yet o.O
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Don't click on the "Watch Live!" in the OP, it will give you a wrong stream.
Go directly to MLG website and watch.
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Yep... Would be the wrong one if axlav mislinked it, tho.
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On October 13 2012 08:16 LightAngels wrote:
Don't click on the "Watch Live!" in the OP, it will give you a wrong stream.
Go directly to MLG website and watch.
That explains a lot...
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am i doing something wrong if im seeing losira vs alicia on mlg stream atm? :S I'm tired and confused
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waitwait im seeing a different stream?
edit: got it, chill out guys I was just following the link at the top of thread like it should be
thnx tho
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It was written before, guys...:
On October 13 2012 08:16 LightAngels wrote:
Don't click on the "Watch Live!" in the OP, it will give you a wrong stream.
Go directly to MLG website and watch.
Use http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/home and click play 
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SEA .... sorry disappointing you today.... but I'm gonna watch MvP ..... later Sea
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Ehh first 2 games are mirrors :/
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Can anyone with pass update on the scores as they won't come up until later?
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That's too bad for MC, 2 sentry for 1 stalker.
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On October 13 2012 08:29 Mrwl wrote:
Can anyone with pass update on the scores as they won't come up until later?
Rain 2-0 MC
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Where's the president toss, MC ?
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Rain, jeez. Take it easy bro...
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MC made to look like a foreign toss.
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On October 13 2012 08:34 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 08:29 Mrwl wrote:
Can anyone with pass update on the scores as they won't come up until later? Rain 2-0 MC
Sweeet! Thanks!
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On October 13 2012 08:29 Mrwl wrote:
Can anyone with pass update on the scores as they won't come up until later?
+ Show Spoiler +
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yeah Rain made MC look really bad lol
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I would be happier if it was Bisu who beat the hell out of MC ....
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I love watching this league but AxelToss is NOT a good observer... Come on MLG, get somebody else so he can just cast..
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How's Ret v. Crazy.Hydra doing?
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On October 13 2012 08:52 Mrwl wrote:
How's Ret v. Crazy.Hydra doing?
CH winning. Up 160 to 120 supply and 4 bases to 3.
and just as I say that Ret ggs
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Wow that was a very entertaining game! Crazy-Hydra so good at sniping infesters in those battles!
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nice tactical play from CH
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On October 13 2012 08:52 red4ce wrote:CH winning. Up 160 to 120 supply and 4 bases to 3. and just as I say that Ret ggs
Just what I wanted to hear
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apologies I had the wrong link, should be fixed in the OP now.
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On October 13 2012 08:57 iS.Axslav wrote:
apologies I had the wrong link, should be fixed in the OP now.
why are you so awesome
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is there really no way to see this without a ticket?
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a friend of mine just said he went to the page without a ticket and is currently watching, im jelly
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Ret has better macro, but more passive though.
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Poor ret, 16 drones left with a huge army. Looks like ret is dead.
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apparently CH is good at SC2 zvz, too
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Wow CH just destroyed poor Ret! That sick multi tasking and roach run arounds!
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Well since this is ppv and I'm watching live I'll go ahead and do a barebones LR
Antiga, CH spawn top right Ret bottom left.
CH apparently loses an overlord but observer missed it
CH gets a surround with the first 6 lings on Ret's queen and kills it
minor ling-bling skirmish with both players losing a few lings
CH nails a drone line with a baneling and lings kill off around 5 or 6 of them
Ret with a larger army and CH with the faster 4th
CH roaches goes into nat, Ret kills off CH's 4th, Ret retreats army to defend. CH destroys hydra den, infestor pit Ret's 3rd and a ton of drones. 53 drones lost total for Ret.
Ret attacks into middle but CH has hydras out killing everything except for a few infestors. Roaches clean up.
Ret leaves no gg.
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On October 13 2012 09:10 zerious wrote:
apparently CH is good at SC2 zvz, too
Yeah, that 2nd game was multi-tasking at its finest by CH.
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ragequit!!! Why did he ragequit doh?
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Awhhhhh yeaaa it's time for god :D
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Thorzain and Grubby FIGHTING!
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Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
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On October 13 2012 09:03 Cele wrote:
is there really no way to see this without a ticket?
Yes there is. I PM you.
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Match of the day coming up next. :D Flash vs the only non-kespa korean besides MC who's doing well, Crank.
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On October 13 2012 09:14 Dr.Frost wrote:
Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
TY= Baby
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On October 13 2012 09:14 Dr.Frost wrote:
Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
TY is Team 8 baby. TY is his initials.
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On October 13 2012 09:14 Dr.Frost wrote:
Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
BaBy
Sick game 2 by CH
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On October 13 2012 09:11 LightAngels wrote:
Ret no GG ?
After getting pulverized that hard, he should have showed respect and gg'd for CH's brilliance.
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On October 13 2012 09:14 Dr.Frost wrote:
Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
aka Baby
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So many people have been talking shit about this tourney but I've loved it so much. Get to see great players, the games that I've seen have been pretty damn good, the resolution is amazing, and the casters are fantastic.
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... why am I getting ads in a payperview >< also getting serious lag.
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On October 13 2012 09:14 Dr.Frost wrote:
Who is TY? In the standings it shows him in first place above rain. Who is it?
Baby's given name initials.
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On October 13 2012 09:20 Darpa wrote:
... why am I getting ads in a payperview >< also getting serious lag.
If you are expereincing continual lag issues, please feel free to email customer support at Support@majorleaguegaming.com or contact us at support.majorleaguegaming.com
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The MLG settings in SC2 are so fucking beautiful!
(the balance of light and stuff, NASL are always so bright.)
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lol 200/200 and 2/2 by 14 minutes.
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Flash's macro is out of control lol
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Flash how you that good? Dammnnn son.
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With triple CC it's actually not that insane. I mean its good, but not absolutely mindblowing.
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Flash vs Crank game 1, map is Daybreak
Flash spawn top right, Crank bottom left
Flash with 3 orbitals, Crank with double forge and 6gate
Flash scans the robo, 6 gates and cybercore
crank warps 2 zealots into Flash's 3rd, gets 2 scv kills.
crank with 3 colossus and 2 immortals, Flash with 7 vikings with bio force
Engagement at cranks 3rd. Vikings take down 2 colossus right away while only losing 4 vikings as bio force kites zealots.
1 colossus left for crank. Vikings take down last colossus and Flash cleans up the rest of cranks army. Flash kills the 3rd then backs off before reinforcements arrive.
Flash with too many units. Crank loses 2 more colossus. Only gateway units and 3 archons. Crank ggs.
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Wow, that was impressive through and through by Flash.
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Trying to proxy. Talk about desperate. sike nice fake...?
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Crank is a no-teamer, right? Then he did very well, with a winning record.
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I like this game already.
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On October 13 2012 09:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
Crank is a no-teamer, right? Then he did very well, with a winning record.
he used to be on SlayerS
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LOL What the hell is this game??? XD
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is this some kind of funday monday?
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1 gas robo 4 gate warp prism incoming.
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On October 13 2012 09:39 ElephantBaby wrote:
Crank is a no-teamer, right? Then he did very well, with a winning record.
was teamless for awhile, then got sponsored by reddit and total biscuit to attend an MLG. afterwards he decided to stay on with TB so they started team Axiom which currently only has crank on it.
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flash metad crank who ended up metaing flash
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Wow that was a weird game.
Two failed proxys into a third proxy winning the game..
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Flash vs Crank game 2
Map is Ohana. Flash spawns top, crank spawns bottom
Crank with a proxy gateway, Flash scouts it right away, starts bunker at the top of the ramp. Crank cancels gateway, Flash cancels bunker
Flash tries to proxy starport, Crank scouts it right away, starport canceled
Crank proxies a robo
Warp prism is out and 4 stalkers go into Flash's main and kill scv before bunker gets up. Flash only has 2 marauders. Crank warps in 2 more zealots and Flash has to pull scvs.
Flash ggs
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Flash smelled it, but didn't found the robo
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I just realized Stats and Action are also playing today. KT <3
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On October 13 2012 09:46 red4ce wrote:I just realized Stats and Action are also playing today. KT <3
4 KT guys in one day, woohoo, Go KT!!
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I keep getting Maru vs Dream on the stream? anyone else having trouble?
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On October 13 2012 09:53 Darpa wrote:
I keep getting Maru vs Dream on the stream? anyone else having trouble?
Click link in thread OP
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2 port banshee vs no lair and late evo chamber... I'm 95% sure Soo is dead lol
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On October 13 2012 09:53 iAmJeffReY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:53 Darpa wrote:
I keep getting Maru vs Dream on the stream? anyone else having trouble? Click link in thread OP
ah thank you, couldnt figure out why the side link gave me dream vs maru
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lol this to me seems like "oh you didn't play WoL in 2010? Welcome to 2 rax->2 port cheese.
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awful banshee control by alive
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101 marines...lol
God alives macro is so fucking bad this game. 1400 earlier during banshee harass...over 2k now
lOOKS Like a full transition into mech now...
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Pretty shit play from both players tbh feels like im watching a playhem with semipros
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Soo's creep spread is getting a it out of hand...
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Let's see if soO's learned from his games against Major >_>
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I hate to use the forum for like a General info question... but why am I watching Dream vs Maru? Do I have the wrong thing open?
edit: Fixed. Yup I'm an idiot.
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Alive definitely played a stupid game. He should won long time ago.
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That is so fucking retarded, 4000 minerals per second. Fuck that.
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2 rax into 2 port into 40 minute split map mass air vs mass air infestor...standard.
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On October 13 2012 10:10 Talionis wrote:
Let's see if soO's learned from his games against Major >_>
Nope!
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Alive vs soO game 1, map is Metropolis
Alive spawns at 3:00, soO spawns 6:00
Alive proxy 2 rax in the middle, soO spots both with overlord.
soO pulls a dozen drones to defend. Alive with 2 scv's and 3 marines.
Bunker gets started at bottom of ramp, soo starts spine crawler.
Bunker gets up but is out of range of buildings. Spine continuously poking at bunker but being repaired by scvs.
soO brings another dozen lings and finally manages to destroy the bunker and kill alive's army
Alive with double starport, 4 bunkers in the main anticipating a bust counterattack
First 2 banshees go into soO's main, kill a bunch of drones and forces several spores to cancel. 2 more banshees come in. 1 falls but the other 3 still tearing apart soO's main.
2 more banshees come in for a total of 5 but queens kill 1 more. 25+ drones killed. Banshees finally back off with cloak energy gone
Alive double expands and now up 4 bases to 3. soO ahead on upgrades.
soO with 7 mutas going into main, repelled by marines. Alive gets turrets up at expos before mutas can get there
2 more banshees in main, killing another 5ish drones. mutas brought back to drive them off. Alive splits banshees and manages to save one.
Alive with a huge marinetank army. soO engages in the middle with zerglings and banelings and manages to deal enough damage to drive them back for now. Meanwhile mutas take out a starport and techlab in the main
Alive drops soO's 5th and takes down the hatchery
Mutas catch a dropship full of marines but marines catch 2 stray infestors.
Mutas try to prod but too many turrets. Double drop into main takes out spawning pool
Double drop into soO's 5th, kills some lings and banes but cleaned up by reinforcements
soO building broodlords, alive with 3 starports cranking out vikings and ravens
7 ravens, 9 vikings, 9 tanks and 2 thors out for alive, 6 infestors, 6 queens and 11 broodlords for soO
soO runs lings into 4th/5th, raven tries to use seeker missile (lol) but lings too fast
Alive making bc's now and researching yamato cannon
Huge battle. No fucking idea wht's going on. Alive demolishes soO's army. 2 or 3 HSM connects.
4 battlecruisers out for alive, soO makes ultralisks( )
Ultras catch ground army away from battlecruisers, fungal+ultras take down all siege tanks and thors
Alives bc's splitting up into packs of 2 to take down expansions. Not the best idea as corruptors eventually take down bc's easily.
Meanwhile alive has been harassing expansions with marines and ravens. soO has 6 bases but no mining.
ROFL alive with over 9000 mules at his 5th
Huge battle again. Lots of death and lots of explosions. HSM decimates soO's army and not nearly enough anti-air for soO.
soO ggs, alive takes game 1.
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Looks like the counter to BL/Infestor is 200 supply worth of Battlecruisers, seems legit.
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Gahhh did the stream just die for everyone or is it just my stream failing?
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Alive vs soO game 2 on Ohana
Alive double proxy barracks again. soO went pool first and spots the proxy.
soO cancels natural hatch, alive gets 2 bunkers up below the ramp uncontested
soO tries to counterattack with lings but main is walled off
soO cleans up bunkers with banelings but loses a queen in the process
Alive moves out with marines and BFH. Lings and banes catch marines on creep and kill all. BFH get into nat but queens and mutas are there to clean them up. soO only loses 3 drones
Mutas try to harass but bunkers and thor deflect harass
Alive pushing with thors and bfh. soO counterattacks with a few lings and banes. Drones try to escape from 3rd but bfh roast a ton of them.
soO able to take down orbital at 3rd with mutas. Alive tries another bfh runby but loses them all without doing any damage
soO engages with roach muta at alive's nat. Manages to kill all of alive's thors at the cost of most of his roaches and all mutas
Mutas take down Alive's planetary at 4th
BFH goes into soO's 3rd and takes down about a dozen drones. Tries another runby but this time on gets 3
Alive's army pushes out into middle onto creep Roaches counterattack into natural.
Basetrade starting. Alive's natural goes down at the same time as soO's 3rd. Alive goes up ramp, tanks taken down quickly. Roaches flank thors from both sides. Alive's army cleaned up.
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Have the stream gone down for anyone else?
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And exactly before the last hellion shot T_T
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On October 13 2012 10:47 ElephantBaby wrote:
Stream down, anyone?
Thanks. Me too. Having trouble going up over 480 at any point tonight as well.
edit: Having no problem with running commercials though. Pay 9 dollars to watch commercials. Next time I'm looking forward to paying 9 dollars so I can pay 9 dollars.
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It appears the stream has gone down. We are aware of the issue and working to fix it. I do apologize for the inconvenience.
Thanks,
Tyler H.
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I am glad I visit TL, otherwise I would be kicking my computer/modem/router right now...
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On October 13 2012 10:49 leandroqm wrote:
I am glad I visit TL, otherwise I would be kicking my computer/modem/router right now...
I'm glad you visit TL too
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On October 13 2012 10:48 CursOr wrote:Thanks. Me too. Having trouble going up over 480 at any point tonight as well.
The stream was really weird tonight, i could watch 1080p well, but then suddenly it started lagging like fuck, when i opened a new tab on chrome it stopped lagging WTF:S
Also they have been showing commercials all day for me.
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On October 13 2012 10:48 CursOr wrote:Thanks. Me too. Having trouble going up over 480 at any point tonight as well. edit: Having no problem with running commercials though. Pay 9 dollars to watch commercials. Next time I'm looking forward to paying 9 dollars so I can pay 9 dollars.
-.-
Had no problems with the stream until it untimely dropped right before that Hellion shot
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The stream is now back up.
Thank you,
Tyler H.
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The stream is...... Alive....
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Sweet, best games coming up now.
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yeah, stream here died too. don't know who won...stream is back up now, but the game is not
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Thanks, Tyler H, for keeping us informed. I was trying to figure out what was going on!
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Stream wont start here
EDIT: took a long time, but it finally did :D
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On October 13 2012 10:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
The stream is...... Alive....
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That was soO bad
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On October 13 2012 10:52 Velinath wrote:Thanks, Tyler H, for keeping us informed. I was trying to figure out what was going on!
You're very welcome!
If you guys ever have any issues please do not hesitate to contact us at https://support.majorleaguegaming.com/
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Stream stuttering or just here?
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This is an amazing game btw.
Excellent point about the Banshee as well >.<
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This is one of the best games this fall!
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soo seriously needs to leave the game already....
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Welp, I'm out. Hope Stats and Action kick ass
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On October 13 2012 10:59 MisterTea wrote:
soo seriously needs to leave the game already....
He's getting too much lag cross server he can't leave within reasonable time and effort
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Medivac energy upgrade being researched. I've watched a lot of pro games, not sure I've ever seen that.
Now Thorzain going mass nuke while Stats builds carriers. Not sure if they've exactly been well played games, but these last two series have certainly been entertaining.
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wtf Stats, please don't make Carriers against terran o_o
Huuuuuuuuh. Does this even work? lol.
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These games are reminding me of some of those goofy early hybrid Proleague games in terms of strategic wackiness, even though the KeSPA guys are obviously a lot better than they were back then.
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lol Carriers are sooo fucking bad...
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stats just found out carriers are useless in sc2.
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omg carriers. such a shitty move
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3/3/3(?) Carriers melt in seconds ggnore
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Thorzain is pretty good at late game TvP
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thats why i dont play sc2 anymore. What are you supposed to do against this kind of composition? Obviously carriers are bad, but other unitmixtures arent necesarrily better. SIlly.
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On October 13 2012 11:29 Netsky wrote:
Thorzain is pretty good at late game TvP
Thorzain is good at late game.... but that Stats lost that game by going for carriers..
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honestly, I think mothership carrier would have worked that game...
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I don't even know how you're supposed to beat the army thorzain did =(
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Spooooooooon Terrrrrrannnnn
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On October 13 2012 11:30 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:29 Netsky wrote:
Thorzain is pretty good at late game TvP Thorzain is good at late game.... but that Stats lost that game by going for carriers..
Yeah, carriers aren't so good in SC2. I wonder if Stats has tried microing them.
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On October 13 2012 11:31 Netsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:30 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 13 2012 11:29 Netsky wrote:
Thorzain is pretty good at late game TvP Thorzain is good at late game.... but that Stats lost that game by going for carriers.. Yeah, carriers aren't so good in SC2. I wonder if Stats has tried microing them.
Hehe that would be the under statement of the century! xD
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Carriers can be used against zerg in some rare situations but never in a million years against terran.
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lol, stats went with his instinct, I got so many carriers against terran, no way I will lose.
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On October 13 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
lol, stats went with his instinct, I got so many carriers against terran, no way I will lose.
This is exactly what I was thinking... He got to the late game and just defaulted/instinctively started pumping out carriers.. that poor bastard, was probably so confused when he tried to micro them and just watch everything melt away...
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infinite scans is too good, he just kills obs and ghosts kills everything lol
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thats beta play right now.
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Baby 30-3, still only lost 3 games. He's unlucky he got bomber in code A 1st round.
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On October 13 2012 12:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
Baby 30-3, still only lost 3 games. He's unlucky he got bomber in code A 1st round.
31-3 :D
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What??? Why didn't Action just run past the cannon o.O
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On October 13 2012 12:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
Baby 30-3, still only lost 3 games. He's unlucky he got bomber in code A 1st round.
Well Bomber did double proxy rax vs 14 cc so it was definitely unlucky.
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Awesome play outta Grubby this game!
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Action just went full foreigner.....
If Action runs his lings by the cannon at the begining = Insta GG
If action attacks the third when grubby had 4 sentries floating uselessly in a warp prism in the middle. = GG
If action doesn't leave all his infesters completely unguarded = GG
I mean really? Action... really?
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Idra and Sheth 3-33 ouucchhh
Holy shit Naniwa is the only one above .500? dafuck???
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Need to see more of Baby!
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I would love to see more of Jaedong's games.
He is such a smart player
On October 13 2012 12:34 anarchyattack wrote:
Need to see more of Baby!
+ Show Spoiler +
After the Stephano incident, I thought of a joke, but it would be too cruel to say it :D
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Is there no rebroadcast tonight?
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there should be a rebroadcast going on atm
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Northern Ireland26345 Posts
Nani's doing pretty well it appears, is he playing his usual style or are we seeing anything different from him?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
Just saw the standings.
TAE YANG MOTHER FUCKERS!
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Oh my god MC why T___T
He hasn't been winning much at all lately........
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On October 13 2012 13:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Just saw the standings.
TAE YANG MOTHER FUCKERS!
And ofcourse, looking at the results, every kespa player is performing better than all european / NA invites... except jaehoon.
Oh jaehoon...
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The results have been updated, and there are huge numbers of forfeited games now: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/52#event_128_results
Interestingly, it's not just players like Idra and Socke, who have little chance of making the playoffs. Even MC and Naniwa have a bunch of forfeits.
I think a lot of the criticisms of this event have been off-base. And I don't know what the circumstances are with all these players. But these forfeits, along with the comments some pros have made, suggest that MLG really botched this. How do you have a hyped event like this, with pay-per-view access, and then create a situation where it isn't even worthwhile for the players to show up for their games? By setting it up so that only one person could win money--and not telling the players that until after they had signed on--MLG was making an outcome like this almost inevitable.
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Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow.
The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%...
Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%...
Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T
Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that.
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On October 13 2012 14:08 Aerisky wrote:Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow. The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%... Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%... Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that.
No offense, but you clearly dont know how to make a compare.
This tournament is divided into 2 group, the KeSP player only played with the other 24 NA EU and GSL player, they dont played each other. While the NA EU and GSL player only played with the 24 KeSP players.
So Naniwa's 19-17 at least means he is better than half of the KeSP player. MC's 18-18 means he is as good as half of the KeSP player. Definitely not as what you concluded that MC is worst is Jaehoon.
If you put Rain in the NA EU part, his record won't be 31-5, but most likely 25-10 sth, simply becoz this half group is much harder. On the other hand, if you put MC in the KeSP part, his record will most likely be 22-12 sth or even better since he will only need to play all the NA player.
I hope most of you will understand the simple fact that this MLG players' results are not as bad as it looks. It just means KeSP as a whole is better than NA EU, but hard to judge the level of individual player
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 14:30 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:08 Aerisky wrote:Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow. The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%... Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%... Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that. No offense, but you clearly dont know how to make a compare. This tournament is divided into 2 group, the KeSP player only played with the other 12 NA EU and GSL player, they dont played each other. While the NA EU and GSL player only played with the 12 KeSP players. So Naniwa's 19-17 at least means he is better than half of the KeSP player. MC's 18-18 means he is as good as half of the KeSP player. Definitely not as what you concluded that MC is worst is Jaehoon. If you put Rain in the NA EU part, his record won't be 31-5, but most likely 25-10 sth, simply becoz this half group is much harder. On the other hand, if you put MC in the KeSP part, his record will most likely be 22-12 sth or even better since he will only need to play all the NA player. I hope most of you will understand the simple fact that this MLG players' results are not as bad as it looks. It just means KeSP as a whole is better than NA EU, but hard to judge the level of individual player
Also note, as I said in my last post, that there have now been 32 set forfeits (or 64 game forfeits). All were forfeited by the non-KeSPA side, meaning that the KeSPA standings now include 64 walkover wins.
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Yes, but the great majority of those forfeits were by IdrA, Sheth, and Ret.
It doesn't really explain why most GSL Koreans have negative records.
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MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least.
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On October 13 2012 14:49 ThePrince wrote:
Yes, but the great majority of those forfeits were by IdrA, Sheth, and Ret.
It doesn't really explain why most GSL Koreans have negative records.
i already explained actually.
Player are divided into half, KeSP and others.
The negative results simply means KeSP as a whole is better than NA/EU/GSL.
If put Naniwa and MC in the KeSP part, their reuslts will be much better, meanwhile if you put jaedoon in the NA part, his results will most likely be negative since he will have to play all the other KeSP player.
As for GSL player. The GSL players in MLG are not the best while KeSP send all their best.
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On October 13 2012 14:30 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:08 Aerisky wrote:Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow. The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%... Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%... Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that. No offense, but you clearly dont know how to make a compare. This tournament is divided into 2 group, the KeSP player only played with the other 12 NA EU and GSL player, they dont played each other. While the NA EU and GSL player only played with the 12 KeSP players. So Naniwa's 19-17 at least means he is better than half of the KeSP player. MC's 18-18 means he is as good as half of the KeSP player. Definitely not as what you concluded that MC is worst is Jaehoon. If you put Rain in the NA EU part, his record won't be 31-5, but most likely 25-10 sth, simply becoz this half group is much harder. On the other hand, if you put MC in the KeSP part, his record will most likely be 22-12 sth or even better since he will only need to play all the NA player. I hope most of you will understand the simple fact that this MLG players' results are not as bad as it looks. It just means KeSP as a whole is better than NA EU, but hard to judge the level of individual player
Ohhh I gotcha, I should have known that too haha, thanks. No excuses since you're right, it's NA/EU/KR all versus Kespa. I guess the stat to watch for is that it seems KR players aren't doing that great against Kespa players, then. That makes a ton more sense though lol thanks.
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On October 13 2012 15:12 Aerisky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:30 Baroninthetree wrote:On October 13 2012 14:08 Aerisky wrote:Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow. The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%... Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%... Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that. No offense, but you clearly dont know how to make a compare. This tournament is divided into 2 group, the KeSP player only played with the other 12 NA EU and GSL player, they dont played each other. While the NA EU and GSL player only played with the 12 KeSP players. So Naniwa's 19-17 at least means he is better than half of the KeSP player. MC's 18-18 means he is as good as half of the KeSP player. Definitely not as what you concluded that MC is worst is Jaehoon. If you put Rain in the NA EU part, his record won't be 31-5, but most likely 25-10 sth, simply becoz this half group is much harder. On the other hand, if you put MC in the KeSP part, his record will most likely be 22-12 sth or even better since he will only need to play all the NA player. I hope most of you will understand the simple fact that this MLG players' results are not as bad as it looks. It just means KeSP as a whole is better than NA EU, but hard to judge the level of individual player Ohhh I gotcha, I should have known that too haha, thanks. No excuses since you're right, it's NA/EU/KR all versus Kespa. I guess the stat to watch for is that it seems KR players aren't doing that great against Kespa players, then. That makes a ton more sense though lol thanks.
haha, i'm really glad ppl are getting this. It's really not that bad. I even use "find password" to get this TL account to reply this since i usually just watch ppl discussing. Sry for the attitude btw.
Anyway, NA is worse than KeSP, but 13-23 is decent enough against KeSP's best. And Naniwa's positive results are just awesome
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What I AM saying is that if you only look at the GSL Korean stats, you can see that the GSL Koreans are losing to the Kespa players much more than they are winning.
In other words, if you ignore NA and EU, it is still true that Kespa > GSL Koreans by a significant margin. And the GSL Koreans are not bad players. MC and Alive can easily be considered top tier, and Puma and Oz are not bad either. So... regardless of your EU/NA argument, there has been a shift in winning tendency from GSL to Kespa.
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Code A on Thurs. says its all. It was 4-0 in matches Kespa vs esf and 8-0 in games (all 2-0 sweeps)!
Victims include Supernova, Bomber, and Shine.
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Well the forfeits shown at http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/52#event_128_results are embarrassing from supposedly "pro" gamers in a PPV event (a few here and there might be understandable), notice there has not been 1 KESPA forfeit based on that list.
So I bring you the forfeiting leaderboard (each forfeit is a 2 game set):
8 Sheth
7 Idra
7 Ret
3 Socke
2 MC
2 Select
2 Naniwa
1 Major
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I guess for discussing GSL vs Kespa, only the MC statistic is relevant.
There is no need to discuss EU vs Kespa or NA vs Kespa, since we already know which one is better.
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On October 13 2012 15:04 hypercube wrote:
MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least.
MC is at 56% if you dont count the forfeits。 His overall win rate in Korea in TLPD is 59 % so the difference is very small。
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On October 13 2012 16:25 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 15:04 hypercube wrote:
MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least. MC is at 56% if you dont count the forfeits。 His overall win rate in Korea in TLPD is 59 % so the difference is very small。
What about Alive, Puma, Alicia, Crank, and Oz. Are you telling me that all of their Korean win rates are in the negatives? Hehe.
I still think that now Kespa is a bit better than GSL. Maybe not completely dominant, but they have a slight edge in general. And I think the gap will increase more with time.
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On October 13 2012 16:33 ThePrince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 16:25 vthree wrote:On October 13 2012 15:04 hypercube wrote:
MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least. MC is at 56% if you dont count the forfeits。 His overall win rate in Korea in TLPD is 59 % so the difference is very small。 What about Alive, Puma, Alicia, Crank, and Oz. Are you telling me that all of their Korean win rates are in the negatives? Hehe. I still think that now Kespa is a bit better than GSL. Maybe not completely dominant, but they have a slight edge in general. And I think the gap will increase more with time.
You realize that Kespa sent 24 players which means it is only the top 3-4 players from each team, right? And how many of aLive, PuMa, Alicia, Crank and Oz were in Code S last season? Kespa players are improving quick but I would rank them slightly below eSF players at this moment.
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On October 13 2012 14:05 chiasmus wrote:The results have been updated, and there are huge numbers of forfeited games now: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/52#event_128_resultsInterestingly, it's not just players like Idra and Socke, who have little chance of making the playoffs. Even MC and Naniwa have a bunch of forfeits. ...
I'm not sure the "little chance of making the playoffs" part is so obvious. Let's look at NA, currently 8 wins ties for 4th and a shot at the playoffs.
Idra is 3-33 with 7 forfeited sets: Soulkey, sOs, Light, Jaehoon, Jaedong, Bisu, Rain. He could now be tied for 4th with 5 wins from the 14 forfeited games, win rate required was 35.7%.
Sheth is 3-33 with 8 forfeited sets: Jaehoon, Jaedong, ty, Stats, Action, Crazy-Hydra, soO, FanTaSy. He could now be tied for 4th with 5 wins from the 16 forfeited games, win rate required was 31.3%.
In EU (with Ret and Socke) and only 2 playoff spots it might be more that way, but a 50% win rate from Ret would have him on 13 wins and still in contention for a spot.
Needing a 35% win rate to make the playoffs in a PPV event and forfeiting instead is <self censored>.
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this tournament.. god damn. so many good players, such a botched setup.
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On October 13 2012 16:33 ThePrince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 16:25 vthree wrote:On October 13 2012 15:04 hypercube wrote:
MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least. MC is at 56% if you dont count the forfeits。 His overall win rate in Korea in TLPD is 59 % so the difference is very small。 What about Alive, Puma, Alicia, Crank, and Oz. Are you telling me that all of their Korean win rates are in the negatives? Hehe. I still think that now Kespa is a bit better than GSL. Maybe not completely dominant, but they have a slight edge in general. And I think the gap will increase more with time.
since u mentioned
MC is 56% at MvP now, his match win ratio in GSL is 58.1%, not big difference, and that 58.1% counts in those games in his prime, his win ratio in the last 30 GSL match is only 53.3%
Crank is 45% at MvP, and 40% at GSL
Puma is 41% at MvP, he never made to GSL code A
Alicia is 41% at MvP, but only 33.3 % win ratio in recent 30 GSL match
Oz is 38% at MvP, and 40% in recent 30 GSL match
Alive is 41% at MvP, 53 % at GSL
Crank is 45% at MvP, and 40% at GSL
So the most you can say is KeSP is similar to mid GSL
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It is impossible to make a comparison between the levels of different players in that tournament. 33-3 looks really one sided but I doubt they would be getting 33-3 playing amongst themselves. Nor would they do it if we were looking at a playlist of the best foreigners in the world or the full GSL Code S and A. At the moment, Thorzain, Naniwa and Grubby have taken a combined 49 games off proleaguers just by themselves
What's more, their scores are inflated by the fact they are all playing the americans. The fact that some of the better foreigners are trading pretty evenly with the Proleaguers suggests they still have a long way to go.
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On October 13 2012 17:17 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 16:33 ThePrince wrote:On October 13 2012 16:25 vthree wrote:On October 13 2012 15:04 hypercube wrote:
MC having a 50% record against the average Kespa player is quite significant. He should be at the same level or slightly better than the best Kespa players. It's hard to say because of the format but you'd expect something close to 60-65% performance at least. MC is at 56% if you dont count the forfeits。 His overall win rate in Korea in TLPD is 59 % so the difference is very small。 What about Alive, Puma, Alicia, Crank, and Oz. Are you telling me that all of their Korean win rates are in the negatives? Hehe. I still think that now Kespa is a bit better than GSL. Maybe not completely dominant, but they have a slight edge in general. And I think the gap will increase more with time. since u mentioned MC is 56% at MvP now, his match win ratio in GSL is 58.1%, not big difference, and that 58.1% counts in those games in his prime, his win ratio in the last 30 GSL match is only 53.3% Crank is 45% at MvP, and 40% at GSL Puma is 41% at MvP, he never made to GSL code A Alicia is 41% at MvP, but only 33.3 % win ratio in recent 30 GSL match Oz is 38% at MvP, and 40% in recent 30 GSL match Alive is 41% at MvP, 53 % at GSL Crank is 45% at MvP, and 40% at GSL So the most you can say is KeSP is similar to mid GSL
Thank you for your very informative posts. I like you.
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MC just tweeted his results from Week 3. LOL
+ Show Spoiler +MC just tweeted: "sorry my fans i'm in MLG MVP unearned lose 2time.. T_T against Flash , effort :D i need fast wake up... "
oops!
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On October 13 2012 17:12 redc wrote:... In EU (with Ret and Socke) and only 2 playoff spots it might be more that way, but a 50% win rate from Ret would have him on 13 wins and still in contention for a spot. Needing a 35% win rate to make the playoffs in a PPV event and forfeiting instead is <self censored>.
While I entirely agree on the NA side of things, I fear you vastly overestimate Ret if you believe he ever had a chance in this. It's been between Naniwa, Grubby and Thorzain from the beginning.
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On October 13 2012 20:59 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 17:12 redc wrote:On October 13 2012 14:05 chiasmus wrote:The results have been updated, and there are huge numbers of forfeited games now: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/52#event_128_resultsInterestingly, it's not just players like Idra and Socke, who have little chance of making the playoffs. Even MC and Naniwa have a bunch of forfeits. ... ... In EU (with Ret and Socke) and only 2 playoff spots it might be more that way, but a 50% win rate from Ret would have him on 13 wins and still in contention for a spot. Needing a 35% win rate to make the playoffs in a PPV event and forfeiting instead is <self censored>. While I entirely agree on the NA side of things, I fear you vastly overestimate Ret if you believe he ever had a chance in this. It's been between Naniwa, Grubby and Thorzain from the beginning.
I don't overestimate Ret but I was intentionally trying to avoid predicting what would have happened.
I'm just amazed that paid progamers enter an event and only show up to roughly half their games, and had they won 50% of their forfeited games they would be in contention. So far zero KESPA players have missed a match.
What's the relevant sporting quote?
Wayne Gretzky: You miss 100% of the shots you never take
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On October 13 2012 14:36 chiasmus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 14:30 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:08 Aerisky wrote:Good lord, just checked the standings and wtf wow. The best player in NA is Huk at 13-25, 34.21%... Best in EU is Naniwa at 19-17, 52.77%............ then it's Grubby at 16-20 44.44%... Then the best player in freaking KR sc2 is mc at 18-18, 50%... wtf T_ T he's doing as well as the worst pl player, Jaehoon, who also happens to be at 50%.... not sure whether the stats include today's but all in all ;_; MC T__T Maybe the PL players will end up displacing most, if not all, GSL players though it does look for sure like the balance of powers might be shifted somewhat among the kespa players and all that. No offense, but you clearly dont know how to make a compare. This tournament is divided into 2 group, the KeSP player only played with the other 12 NA EU and GSL player, they dont played each other. While the NA EU and GSL player only played with the 12 KeSP players. So Naniwa's 19-17 at least means he is better than half of the KeSP player. MC's 18-18 means he is as good as half of the KeSP player. Definitely not as what you concluded that MC is worst is Jaehoon. If you put Rain in the NA EU part, his record won't be 31-5, but most likely 25-10 sth, simply becoz this half group is much harder. On the other hand, if you put MC in the KeSP part, his record will most likely be 22-12 sth or even better since he will only need to play all the NA player. I hope most of you will understand the simple fact that this MLG players' results are not as bad as it looks. It just means KeSP as a whole is better than NA EU, but hard to judge the level of individual player Also note, as I said in my last post, that there have now been 32 set forfeits (or 64 game forfeits). All were forfeited by the non-KeSPA side, meaning that the KeSPA standings now include 64 walkover wins.
meaning the other side is unprofessional
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Wow there are tons of forfeit.
32 sets? What the hell?
64 games?
That is a lot of content gone.
Now i feel bad for those people who actually paid for the ticket for this MLG.
* Sigh * MLG.
Why is there so many forfeits btw?
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Fenrax
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- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that.
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Im impressed by Naniwas results. Good job!
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What's the point to come in a tournament and forfeit 7 or 8 games out of 24 ... ?
Shame on this players...
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I wish the uncasted vods were viewed actually from the kespa players..
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On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that.
IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse).
Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly.
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There should be serious punishment for players skipping large amounts of games like that. Thats a worse offense than some of this dumb drama crap like controversial tweets.
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On October 14 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that. IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse). Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly.
Only the walkover rules are a valid complain. Everything else was known before that tournament started so they could have decline if they didn't like the conditions.
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lol with this many forfeited matches/walkovers it's definitely not worth paying $10 for this... Regardless of lag issues etc.! MLG should really do something about this!
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On October 14 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that. IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse). Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly.
Yeah, all those things they couldn't possibly know before accepting to play the tournament.
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Skipping games because you don't have a chance of advancing is so dumb. MLG should ban every player that forfeited more than 2-3 matches from all their tournaments.
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On October 14 2012 11:38 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that. IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse). Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly. Yeah, all those things they couldn't possibly know before accepting to play the tournament.
Also mentioned on ItG...the entire format and setup for the tournament were completely unknown to the players, and were announced well after the players had accepted (I think format and prize pool were only a week before the start?). They had an opportunity to drop out, but at that point most were already planning on playing.
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On October 14 2012 12:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:38 MrCon wrote:On October 14 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that. IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse). Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly. Yeah, all those things they couldn't possibly know before accepting to play the tournament. Also mentioned on ItG...the entire format and setup for the tournament were completely unknown to the players, and were announced well after the players had accepted (I think format and prize pool were only a week before the start?). They had an opportunity to drop out, but at that point most were already planning on playing.
That's really a pity if the players got screwed that badly x.x
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Still no VOD of day 6....? Why is there such a long delay from the broadcast?
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This tournament was a cool idea imo, but has been a bit of a disaster. Poor communication from MLG regarding FPVODs for games, slow uploading of VODs, and MLG players seemingly quitting the entire tournament with so many walkovers...it's not going well at all for MLG.
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Sheesh guys. The tournament is going well. Don't let Idra, Sheth, and Ret, out of all players, make you believe otherwise
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Wow MLG should refund people for this event. People paid to see a set amount of matches but MLG is not delivering on their promises.
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It's amazing how every SC2 player is complaining about not making enough salary, yet when there is a chance for esports to grow they fucking forfeit half of their matches.
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Wow, Nani is doing really well in comparison to his european comrades ^_^ Go Naniwa!!!
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Fenrax
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On October 14 2012 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:20 Fenrax wrote:
- MC overslept so that is 2 out of 32
- Ret might not care that much because as stated above it is between Grubby, Thorzain and Naniwa in in EU. That makes 9/32.
- Likewise the same with Socke. So that is 3 more, 12 out of 32.
- Then there are Naniwa, Select and Major who only missed 5 combined which can happen, maybe for overlapsing schedule or also simple oversleeping like MC. 17/32
- But for IdrA and Sheth, who together missed the other 15 sets, I have no clue. In the ridiculous NA bracket both would have had a decent chance. All it would take for them atm to get a 1v1 for the seed is a 8-28 record. That is always doable. Not so bright on SC2 system, do they already have a seed in MLG Fall Championship or is there any other reason why they wouldn't care? This seems like a freeroll, with great odds at that. IdrA explained the whole situation fairly well on ItG this week. It's a huge combination of the Winner-Takes-All format, the fact that you have to schedule around ~4 matches every week, the cross server lag that trends toward the non-native server player cheesing, things like players showing up late despite walkover rules (which makes scheduling even worse). Essentially, most players were in this tournament for the novelty of facing Kespa players...and then found out they couldn't even do that properly.
Those sounds like bad excuses.
First of all, if cross-server lag was such a big issue, NA players would not get completely smashed because of the one game on their home server. Right?
And then it is only winner takes all for the prize money. There are MLG seeds for 8 players and especially NA players have probably the easiest way possible to get one.
Scheduling 4 matches a week. As a progamer where is the problem?
Again, I understand why Ret would not care anymore, because he can't top 2 in Europe anyway. But every NA player that could use the MLG seed and doesnt go for it seems like a spoiled brat.
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On October 14 2012 18:45 Fenrax wrote:
Those sounds like bad excuses.
That's because they are bad excuses.
MLG forfeits? 64, 4^3, hexadecimal 40, 2^6, octal 100, binary 1000000
KESPA forfeits? zero, nada, nil, 0, zilch, 2^0-1, nothing, zip
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MLG i love you man. but you blew it.. now just give me all the Jaedong replays and i'll be on my way.
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How many forfeits did MC have?
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Wow, 22-2 for Rain so far... This guy is a beast..
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
On October 15 2012 00:03 blacklist_member wrote:
Wow, 22-2 for Rain so far... This guy is a beast..
eh? hes 31-5
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On October 14 2012 18:13 SmokeMonster wrote:
It's amazing how every SC2 player is complaining about not making enough salary, yet when there is a chance for esports to grow they fucking forfeit half of their matches.
So forfeiting matches, which almost nobody watches (about 250 viewers on last broadcast), is hurting the grow of esports? LOL, most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
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when are the vods from friday going to be up...? ive been waiting all weekend to see the one i missed... rain vs mc
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On October 15 2012 01:32 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 18:13 SmokeMonster wrote:
It's amazing how every SC2 player is complaining about not making enough salary, yet when there is a chance for esports to grow they fucking forfeit half of their matches. So forfeiting matches, which almost nobody watches (about 250 viewers on last broadcast), is hurting the grow of esports? LOL, most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
I don't expect your little brain to grasp the concept of a well-run tournament that includes players giving a shit about their performance increases fan anticipation and excitement -> more viewers -> increase in revenue -> more money into esports.
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On October 15 2012 04:58 SmokeMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 01:32 TheSir wrote:On October 14 2012 18:13 SmokeMonster wrote:
It's amazing how every SC2 player is complaining about not making enough salary, yet when there is a chance for esports to grow they fucking forfeit half of their matches. So forfeiting matches, which almost nobody watches (about 250 viewers on last broadcast), is hurting the grow of esports? LOL, most ridiculous thing i ever heard. I don't expect your little brain to grasp the concept of a well-run tournament that includes players giving a shit about their performance increases fan anticipation and excitement -> more viewers -> increase in revenue -> more money into esports.
This tournament does not qualify for a well-run tournament and it's not a good product, your hole point is useless.
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Ty and effort bossing it up. nice.
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Hmmm this tourney has been pretty poor given normal standards set by MLG.
It's not entirely MLG's fault though--I think it's pretty poor of the "pros" to not show up. If they commited to the tourney they should see it through.
I'd hope MLG makes some sort of conciliatory gesture to people who paid for this event and haven't got their money's worth.
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Where are the uncasted VODs?
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On October 15 2012 11:16 ThePrince wrote:
Where are the uncasted VODs?
You have to go to the Own3d.tv MLG page http://www.own3d.tv/MLG/video/ click show more and then view from there. They aren't very well titled unfortunately and there doesn't seem to be a pattern to the order in which they are listed.
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This seems as good a place as any to post this, since we don't have a site to post it on yet.
Axiom regrettably announces that CranK will be withdrawing from the remainder of the MLG MvP tournament for health reasons. CranK has suffered issues with his neck for quite some time, which we were aware of prior to signing him as a player and are doing our best to assist him with his treatment. CranK is receiving regular physiotherapy in order to treat his condition. He will be taking two weeks of recuperation on the advice of his doctor. Axiom would like to apologize to the fans who were looking forward to seeing CranK play and to MLG for disrupting their tournament by forfeiting matches. Obviously for us it is a disappointment because CranK was #1 in the Korean bracket along with MC and had a very good chance of making the play-offs, but we must put the health of our player first and ensure his well-being. He assures us that he will be well prepared for his MLG Dallas, Lonestar Clash and IPL 5 appearances in November and we wish him all the best. His lack of participation in the play-off bracket (which gives the possibility of flights and seeding into pool play at the Fall championship) will not affect his attendance at MLG Dallas.
Thank you.
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Sucks to hear
Get well soon CranK!!!
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Canada16217 Posts
wow that sucks but his health is more important. I can't wait to see him in upcoming tournaments!
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Sorry to hear! CranK, heal like a protoss shield.
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thats sad to hear, hope Crank gets well soon.
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Wow that makes me sad because he was doing so well... get well soon crank
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sorry to hear about crank, but health first is important, better to take 2 weeks off now than a few months later on. we understand crank, and wish you the best with your recovery and november tournaments !
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Damn that's rough. He was doing really well too.
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Cranku
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
sad to hear about crank, hope he gets better soon!
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On October 13 2012 07:44 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:41 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 13 2012 07:39 zerious wrote:On October 13 2012 07:34 AndAgain wrote:
Rain vs MC is the protoss president debate match. too bad it's pvp This is like saying US presidential debate is excellent, but too bad it's US vs US, not vs China. And today's games are good. No it's not... thats a horrible analogy.... I agree all the games are good, but that was just a bad analogy. You can't compare a coin flippy at best mirror match up to a presidential election.... wtf?
I will actually bet that PvP on level of play that Rain is showing less coin flippy that president election in USA (metric: better opponent wins more often)
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I wish him the best, It is totally understandable TB!
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Thanks for having CranK's best interests at hand TB! He's an outstanding individual that deserves the support he's finally receiving. Axiom was a great move.
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I wonder if his neck problems are related to the terrible living conditions (no bed) he had.
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Sorry to hear about Crank since he has been really good in this tournament. It sounds like a good decision to let him rest though.
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On October 15 2012 17:59 Sandermatt wrote:
I wonder if his neck problems are related to the terrible living conditions (no bed) he had.
Well it certainly doesn't help, i'd say. Playing games for multiple hours a day and not being able to properly rest is going to get you injured sooner or later.
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All the best wishes to crank! Hope he gets well soon.
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On October 14 2012 22:05 redc wrote:That's because they are bad excuses. MLG forfeits? 64, 4^3, hexadecimal 40, 2^6, octal 100, binary 1000000 KESPA forfeits? zero, nada, nil, 0, zilch, 2^0-1, nothing, zip
You also can't hear them complain about salary and then not perform. The difference between some semipros and proper sportsmen, I guess.
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Man that last Grubby game was sick, gave me chills. Naniwa is doing so well too, but sad we can't see Stephano and Nerchio representing eu.
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On October 15 2012 19:13 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 22:05 redc wrote:On October 14 2012 18:45 Fenrax wrote:
Those sounds like bad excuses. That's because they are bad excuses. MLG forfeits? 64, 4^3, hexadecimal 40, 2^6, octal 100, binary 1000000 KESPA forfeits? zero, nada, nil, 0, zilch, 2^0-1, nothing, zip You also can't hear them complain about salary and then not perform. The difference between some semipros and proper sportsmen, I guess.
Or the difference between people brought up in a autocratic environment and who were lucky enough to climb to the top and those who experience the right to decide for themselves whether they are right or wrong.
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Lol @ idra 10% win ratio..... what is going on with him? Not training hard enough? Not enough skill and talent?
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That's very unfortunate. Get well soon CranK!
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On October 15 2012 22:38 Almtom wrote:
Lol @ idra 10% win ratio..... what is going on with him? Not training hard enough? Not enough skill and talent?
It's not a lack of skill or talent or he never would've been one of the only foreigners in the Korean BW scene, more of a weak mental fortitude especially when it comes to "cheesy" or "abusive" play.
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So when is the next day of this?
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I find it funny that Naniwa is the only non kespa player that has a positiv record.
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On October 16 2012 04:05 Mrwl wrote:
So when is the next day of this?
Should be in about 3 and a half hours from now.
Major vs Jaedong, Huk vs Trap (probably) and some other games.
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On October 16 2012 03:48 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 22:38 Almtom wrote:
Lol @ idra 10% win ratio..... what is going on with him? Not training hard enough? Not enough skill and talent? It's not a lack of skill or talent or he never would've been one of the only foreigners in the Korean BW scene, more of a weak mental fortitude especially when it comes to "cheesy" or "abusive" play.
Idra couldnt compete with Koreans in BW. And there wasnt a foreign professional scene. Very few of the current top foreigners have a BW past, many come from WC3.
Also the skillset for BW is a bit different. Idra is strong mechanically which was more important in BW.
One of his other problems is that he is too predictable (which was said in BW already). He has his own view how the game should be and is very stubborn about it. (like he doesnt acknowledge cheese)
Idra has to change his gameplan completely. He has to be way more dynamic. Scouting/reacting to "cheese/abuse play" and putting on aggresion himself (which he does almost never).
He also has to work on his army control which is pretty bad IMO.
If he can do that, I can see him being a top10 foreigner again. I don't think he will dominate the scene ever again. There are more talented players out there (Stephano, Nerchio).
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On October 15 2012 19:13 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 22:05 redc wrote:On October 14 2012 18:45 Fenrax wrote:
Those sounds like bad excuses. That's because they are bad excuses. MLG forfeits? 64, 4^3, hexadecimal 40, 2^6, octal 100, binary 1000000 KESPA forfeits? zero, nada, nil, 0, zilch, 2^0-1, nothing, zip You also can't hear them complain about salary and then not perform. The difference between some semipros and proper sportsmen, I guess.
Yeah, remind me which players have the least amount of tournaments to worry about? Which ones want as much exposure as possible because they're the new kids on the block? Which organization is playing catch-up when it comes to SC2, and want as much attention as possible?
It was laughable enough when people were spouting crap about Koreans being better people than everyone else. Looks like Kespa is bringing in another tier of elitism.
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Is there a thread for like the best games of the previous 5 days? I am thinking of getting a pass but want to know what to watch first and not waste time so I can catch up to now. Def gonna watch the Rain and flash games...I am a P player.
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