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Evil Geniuses Master's Cup Series League - Season VIIIFriday, Sep 14 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Website: http://mcsl.evilgeniuses.net/Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametvCasters: Azael & iNcontroL
FormatThe Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League will feature 12 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams. The top four teams at the end of the season will advance to the playoffs on a two day live broadcast weekend.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L6Pww.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mgq38.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rk5yz.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UnR5N.png)  Bly <GSL Atlantis Spaceship> LiveZerg + Show Spoiler + DarkHydra <GSL Metropolis> Abver + Show Spoiler + Nerchio <GSL Ohana>  fraer + Show Spoiler + Scarlett <GSL Daybreak> TitaN + Show Spoiler +Final Score:
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/10oCI.png) Poll: Who do you think will win?Acer (38) 59% ROX.KIS (26) 41% 64 total votes Your vote: Who do you think will win? (Vote): Acer
(Vote): ROX.KIS
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your Country52797 Posts
Now there's too many zergs ;D
Bly 2-1
DarkHydra 2-1
Nerchio 2-0
Scarlett 2-0
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On September 13 2012 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Now there's too many zergs ;D
Bly 2-1
DarkHydra 2-1
Nerchio 2-0
Scarlett 2-0
Afaik Darkhydra is actually terran, OP probably just assumed (or more likely mistyped I guess) zerg because of ID and team. So just one ZvZ, not too bad! :D
And I guess I'll play the prediction game while I'm here ^^
Bly 1-2 Livezerg
Darkhydra 1-2 Abver
Nerchio 2-0 Fraer
Scarlett 2-1 Titan
Then Nerchio 2-1 Titan or 2-0 someone else!
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On September 13 2012 10:04 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Now there's too many zergs ;D
Bly 2-1
DarkHydra 2-1
Nerchio 2-0
Scarlett 2-0 Afaik Darkhydra is actually terran, OP probably just assumed (or more likely mistyped I guess) zerg because of ID and team. So just one ZvZ, not too bad! :D And I guess I'll play the prediction game while I'm here ^^ Bly 1-2 LivezergDarkhydra 1-2 AbverNerchio 2-0 Fraer Scarlett 2-1 Titan Then Nerchio 2-1 Titan or 2-0 someone else!
he switch to mainly Zerg race
this cast will be fun to watch ! tune in
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Oh, this are some really good matchups.
Looking forward to watching Nerchio v fraer and Scarlett v Titan.
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On September 13 2012 10:34 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 10:04 Bibbit wrote:On September 13 2012 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Now there's too many zergs ;D
Bly 2-1
DarkHydra 2-1
Nerchio 2-0
Scarlett 2-0 Afaik Darkhydra is actually terran, OP probably just assumed (or more likely mistyped I guess) zerg because of ID and team. So just one ZvZ, not too bad! :D And I guess I'll play the prediction game while I'm here ^^ Bly 1-2 LivezergDarkhydra 1-2 AbverNerchio 2-0 Fraer Scarlett 2-1 Titan Then Nerchio 2-1 Titan or 2-0 someone else! he switch to mainly Zerg race this cast will be fun to watch ! tune in
I even checked TLPD and Liquipedia for that but I guess even the mighty Teamliquid wasn't aware. T_T
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LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win
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Definitely either going to Ace match or Acer will win 3-1. If they go to Ace match, Acer, as their name implies, has much better aces.
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The fact is that Nerchio is the second best foreigner ZvP right now. Stats aren't important.
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Russian Federation601 Posts
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On September 13 2012 14:24 MetalPanda wrote:The fact is that Nerchio is the second best foreigner ZvP right now. Stats aren't important.
Stats are almost always important in a large enough number. 13 games may not be enough, however.
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On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win
I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement.
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On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement.
I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO.
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Bly < LiveZerg
DarkHydra < Abver
Nerchio > fraer
Scarlett > TitaN
Nerchio > LiveZerg
Acer 3-2 RoX.KiS
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Bly 2-1 LiveZerg
DarkHydra 0-2 Abver
Nerchio 1-2 fraer
Scarlett 2-1 Titan
Scarlett 2-0 TitaN
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I feel like Acer will win 3-1. But I don't really know RoX.Kis that well. But Nerchio and Scarlett should win there games.
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I think acer will win, but it will go to an ace match
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On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO.
Still, despite having a higher ELO, I still don't feel you can call Titan better. Scarlett doesn't play in many tournaments, but the ones I have seen her in (including WCS Canada, NA, and several playhems) I would say she's on Nerchio's or maybe even Stephano's zvp level. She just beat HerO 2-1 the other day in Ritmix, I've seen her beat Creator 2-1, Huk 2-0 (twice) and others. I guess we'll find out!
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I've seen Scarlett beat Huk twice, Hero, Ostojiy, and Vibe recently, and going 22-2 against North Americas best, anyone that ranks her less than Titan is either crazy or hasn't been paying attention.
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On September 14 2012 01:43 Durlamor wrote:
I've seen Scarlett beat Huk twice, Hero, Ostojiy, and Vibe recently, and going 22-2 against North Americas best, anyone that ranks her less than Titan is either crazy or hasn't been paying attention.
Two of those guys are zergs, Huk is no longer really relevant.
But a win against Hero is quite impressive. Now Titan is a really good protoss, and Scarlett definitely need to meet more accomplished protosses in more series to be placed on the level of Nerchio, and I don't even think of the one of Stephano.
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Bly > LiveZerg
DarkHydra < Abver
Nerchio < fraer
Scarlett < Titan
RoX.KiS 3-1 Acer
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On September 14 2012 01:43 Durlamor wrote:
I've seen Scarlett beat Huk twice, Hero, Ostojiy, and Vibe recently, and going 22-2 against North Americas best, anyone that ranks her less than Titan is either crazy or hasn't been paying attention.
At WCS NA she defeated Theognis, Mystik, Huk, Insur and Vibe twice. Titans route on the way to winning WCS russia was Creed, Livezerg, sLivko twice and Happy twice, which seems to be harder. Her RSL-performance was impressive and I am not denying that she has a reasonable (around 50%) chance to win that match, but erveryone who says, she will win easily against a guy with a nearly 70%-Winrate against Nerchio should reconsider that.
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On September 14 2012 01:48 ColtraneL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:43 Durlamor wrote:
I've seen Scarlett beat Huk twice, Hero, Ostojiy, and Vibe recently, and going 22-2 against North Americas best, anyone that ranks her less than Titan is either crazy or hasn't been paying attention. Two of those guys are zergs, Huk is no longer really relevant. But a win against Hero is quite impressive. Now Titan is a really good protoss, and Scarlett definitely need to meet more accomplished protosses in more series to be placed on the level of Nerchio, and I don't even think of the one of Stephano.
2 of them are top level foreign Zerg, and ZvZ she says is her worst matchup. Huk went 2-0 vs Ret last night so clearly he's not out yet, and clearly not awful against Zerg, and she made Hero look easy in game 3, like GM vs Diamond easy.
I wouldn't say she is at Stephanos level at all, mostly cause he's the only one that knows how to find it, but Nerchio isn't a stretch to me, they are close in skill but she is VERY confident vs Protoss.
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Bly 2-0 Livezerg
DarkHydra 1-2 Abver
Nerchio 2-0 fraer
Scarlett 2-1 Titan
Acer wins 3-1.
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On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement.
...dat Canadian bias, man!
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I think people who don't know TitaN will be surprised, the guy is an absolutely micro beast and has a huge variance in his builds, he's a really scary player to go against, especially a zerg I'd imagine. Now I still don't know who I feel is the favorite between him and Scarlett, as she has also had a couple of realllyyy solid last couple of months, truly showing her strength. I'm inclined to give Scarlett the slight edge, but that might be because I simply seen more of her, while TitaN has been more silent, practicing. He did win WCS Russia / 3rd Ritmix so I gues that's something haha.
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On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO.
Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way.
I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly.
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On September 14 2012 05:31 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO. Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way. I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly.
Really? No way?
Bly is decent, but LiveZerg is also a ZvZ specialist, RoX.KIS has a good shot to win the first match.
Abver is up against DarkHydra, a player who just switched to Zerg and was never really above average to begin with, so he should be quite confident. RoX.KIS has a really good chance to win the second match.
Fraer is quite good in PvZ and his overall record against Nerchio in the last six months is 11-2. Tell me he doesn't have a chance to win here, too.
Titan is quite possibly the strongest EU Protoss vs Zerg. Scarlett is good and even though we can't really judge her level just yet from the very few games we've seen her play, she is probably favoured, but it's in no way certain that she'll win.
You're way exaggerating Acer's chances. I mean, I picked them to win, but it could be very, very close.
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On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement.
Well its not like Scarlett is bad but so far we only watched her at wcs canada and ipl to have sucess. Titan was third at wcg and ia constantly in the top of eu scene, imho , best P there with sase, naniwa and mana. So i think he is favoredin this clash, since i dont think Scarlett can fight top eu players actually. But its gonna be soon and we will see.
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On September 14 2012 05:42 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:31 Hall0wed wrote:On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO. Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way. I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly. Really? No way? Bly is decent, but LiveZerg is also a ZvZ specialist, RoX.KIS has a good shot to win the first match. Abver is up against DarkHydra, a player who just switched to Zerg and was never really above average to begin with, so he should be quite confident. RoX.KIS has a really good chance to win the second match. Fraer is quite good in PvZ and his overall record against Nerchio in the last six months is 11-2. Tell me he doesn't have a chance to win here, too. Titan is quite possibly the strongest EU Protoss vs Zerg. Scarlett is good and even though we can't really judge her level just yet from the very few games we've seen her play, she is probably favoured, but it's in no way certain that she'll win. You're way exaggerating Acer's chances. I mean, I picked them to win, but it could be very, very close.
Wait DarkHydra switched to zerg, I guess acer demanded he stop playing terran or be removed from the team.
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On September 14 2012 05:48 DGB.Zerok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. Well its not like Scarlett is bad but so far we only watched her at wcs canada and ipl to have sucess. Titan was third at wcg and ia constantly in the top of eu scene, imho , best P there with sase, naniwa and mana. So i think he is favoredin this clash, since i dont think Scarlett can fight top eu players actually. But its gonna be soon and we will see.
Online, she also three-killed TSL in the IPL TAC and beat sLivko and HerO in Ritmix RSL.
She certainly can compete, we just need to see more games to see how she matches up against all the other players.
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On September 14 2012 05:52 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:42 StarVe wrote:On September 14 2012 05:31 Hall0wed wrote:On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO. Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way. I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly. Really? No way? Bly is decent, but LiveZerg is also a ZvZ specialist, RoX.KIS has a good shot to win the first match. Abver is up against DarkHydra, a player who just switched to Zerg and was never really above average to begin with, so he should be quite confident. RoX.KIS has a really good chance to win the second match. Fraer is quite good in PvZ and his overall record against Nerchio in the last six months is 11-2. Tell me he doesn't have a chance to win here, too. Titan is quite possibly the strongest EU Protoss vs Zerg. Scarlett is good and even though we can't really judge her level just yet from the very few games we've seen her play, she is probably favoured, but it's in no way certain that she'll win. You're way exaggerating Acer's chances. I mean, I picked them to win, but it could be very, very close. Wait DarkHydra switched to zerg, I guess acer demanded he stop playing terran or be removed from the team.
Yeah, Scarlett tweeted this a couple of days ago:
Scarlett Maeve @AcerScarlett
AcerDarkhydra playing Zerg now; 100% zerg team :D
Can't have switched too long ago.
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On September 14 2012 05:58 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:52 Fusilero wrote:On September 14 2012 05:42 StarVe wrote:On September 14 2012 05:31 Hall0wed wrote:On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO. Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way. I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly. Really? No way? Bly is decent, but LiveZerg is also a ZvZ specialist, RoX.KIS has a good shot to win the first match. Abver is up against DarkHydra, a player who just switched to Zerg and was never really above average to begin with, so he should be quite confident. RoX.KIS has a really good chance to win the second match. Fraer is quite good in PvZ and his overall record against Nerchio in the last six months is 11-2. Tell me he doesn't have a chance to win here, too. Titan is quite possibly the strongest EU Protoss vs Zerg. Scarlett is good and even though we can't really judge her level just yet from the very few games we've seen her play, she is probably favoured, but it's in no way certain that she'll win. You're way exaggerating Acer's chances. I mean, I picked them to win, but it could be very, very close. Wait DarkHydra switched to zerg, I guess acer demanded he stop playing terran or be removed from the team. Yeah, Scarlett tweeted this a couple of days ago: Show nested quote +Scarlett Maeve @AcerScarlett
AcerDarkhydra playing Zerg now; 100% zerg team :D https://twitter.com/AcerScarlett/status/244786318826143744Can't have switched too long ago.
Acer is now patchteam.
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Isn't Darkhydra actually Terran?
Edit: I should read threads.
With that, this could go to the ace match if Nercio and Bly arn't careful.
Of course, Scarlett would destroy any of these guys in an ace match so I don't think Acer fans such as myself don't need to worry too much, and Bly is pretty damn good so shouldn't lose to Livezerg anyway (though Livezerg isn't bad and neither is Fraer, despite not doing so hot in WCS Ukraine).
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On September 14 2012 05:42 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:31 Hall0wed wrote:On September 13 2012 15:08 Xoronius wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. I wouldn´t consider it being a bold statement, Titan is in form right now and you can´t be no.1 elo without playing very strong. In fact, he might have the strongest foreign PvZ (Considering it is both, MaNas and Nani worst MU. I can definitly see him beating her, it is an open match IMHO. Foreigner ELO means literally nothing. It is 100% worthless in ever single way. I don't see any way that Acer loses this match honestly. Really? No way? Bly is decent, but LiveZerg is also a ZvZ specialist, RoX.KIS has a good shot to win the first match. Abver is up against DarkHydra, a player who just switched to Zerg and was never really above average to begin with, so he should be quite confident. RoX.KIS has a really good chance to win the second match. Fraer is quite good in PvZ and his overall record against Nerchio in the last six months is 11-2. Tell me he doesn't have a chance to win here, too. Titan is quite possibly the strongest EU Protoss vs Zerg. Scarlett is good and even though we can't really judge her level just yet from the very few games we've seen her play, she is probably favoured, but it's in no way certain that she'll win. You're way exaggerating Acer's chances. I mean, I picked them to win, but it could be very, very close.
Honestly I don't really know (compared to my knowledge of the KR scene that is, I still know more than most) about nor do I really care about EU teams like these 2, but I think I understand this league and how this should go down. Even if it manages to go to an ace I don't see who will take down Scarlett/Nerchio. If 1 of them does manage to lose their match then the other is likely in better shape that day and should be able to handle it easily. This on top of the fact that Scarlett already posted in this thread saying that people should watch makes me quite confident in my prediction.
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My god there's a ridiculous amount of Zergs..
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On September 14 2012 05:55 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:48 DGB.Zerok wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. Well its not like Scarlett is bad but so far we only watched her at wcs canada and ipl to have sucess. Titan was third at wcg and ia constantly in the top of eu scene, imho , best P there with sase, naniwa and mana. So i think he is favoredin this clash, since i dont think Scarlett can fight top eu players actually. But its gonna be soon and we will see. Online, she also three-killed TSL in the IPL TAC and beat sLivko and HerO in Ritmix RSL. She certainly can compete, we just need to see more games to see how she matches up against all the other players.
Nobody said that she cant, I just responded on his attitude like Scarlett is way better then TitaN, even tho Russian bro is in much better shape when it comes to tournaments.
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Rox can win if it goes 3-1, (with everyone but fraer winning), but if they go to an ace somebody has to beat nerchio, with titan being the best bet. Should be an evenly matched series. Also, with darkhydra switching to zerg Acer is actually a mono-race team.
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On September 14 2012 06:10 DGB.Zerok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:55 StarVe wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 DGB.Zerok wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. Well its not like Scarlett is bad but so far we only watched her at wcs canada and ipl to have sucess. Titan was third at wcg and ia constantly in the top of eu scene, imho , best P there with sase, naniwa and mana. So i think he is favoredin this clash, since i dont think Scarlett can fight top eu players actually. But its gonna be soon and we will see. Online, she also three-killed TSL in the IPL TAC and beat sLivko and HerO in Ritmix RSL. She certainly can compete, we just need to see more games to see how she matches up against all the other players. Nobody said that she cant, I just responded on his attitude like Scarlett is way better then TitaN, even tho Russian bro is in much better shape when it comes to tournaments.
This just isn't true. You're using results from almost a year ago to say that TitaN is in "better shape" for tournaments. Scarlett won WCS Canada and then WALKED through WCS North America. This, in my eyes, is more impressive than TitaN's WCS Russia victory. These are the most recent tournament results we have to compare.
What's more than that is Scarlett has shown that she can beat top level Korean players on different stages and with consistency (and also recently). She has ice in her veins.
I think your argument basically boils down to the fact that TitaN has appeared in more tournaments over his career than Scarlett (and also that he plays more European players? As if this means anything?), but this really means nothing if you look at it from a quality over quantity perspective; Scarlett's tournament appearances thus far have been nothing short of astounding.
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To be fair, Titan is one of those players who walk through all of Europe's online tournaments. Him, fraer, Nerchio and Hyun are players who are constantly in the finals of every online cup available to them.
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On September 14 2012 06:30 smoosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:10 DGB.Zerok wrote:On September 14 2012 05:55 StarVe wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 DGB.Zerok wrote:On September 13 2012 15:01 LgNKane wrote:On September 13 2012 14:17 Dexington wrote:
LiveZerg has some beast of a ZvZ and Abver is just in general better than DarkHydra (imo). The most pivotal match is Scarlett vs Titan, but I think Titan is better.
Nerchio should beat fraer, however. Maybe the only player on their team who can.
Edit: oh shit, as I see above, maybe not. Also, if DH is in fact playing Zerg instead of Terran, Abver should definitely win I can't see Scarlett losing to Titan, and I think calling Titan better than Scarlett is quite a... bold statement. Well its not like Scarlett is bad but so far we only watched her at wcs canada and ipl to have sucess. Titan was third at wcg and ia constantly in the top of eu scene, imho , best P there with sase, naniwa and mana. So i think he is favoredin this clash, since i dont think Scarlett can fight top eu players actually. But its gonna be soon and we will see. Online, she also three-killed TSL in the IPL TAC and beat sLivko and HerO in Ritmix RSL. She certainly can compete, we just need to see more games to see how she matches up against all the other players. Nobody said that she cant, I just responded on his attitude like Scarlett is way better then TitaN, even tho Russian bro is in much better shape when it comes to tournaments. This just isn't true. You're using results from almost a year ago to say that TitaN is in "better shape" for tournaments. Scarlett won WCS Canada and then WALKED through WCS North America. This, in my eyes, is more impressive than TitaN's WCS Russia victory. These are the most recent tournament results we have to compare. What's more than that is Scarlett has shown that she can beat top level Korean players on different stages and with consistency (and also recently). She has ice in her veins. I think your argument basically boils down to the fact that TitaN has appeared in more tournaments over his career than Scarlett (and also that he plays more European players? As if this means anything?), but this really means nothing if you look at it from a quality over quantity perspective; Scarlett's tournament appearances thus far have been nothing short of astounding.
I think you misunderstood me and didnt quite read what I wrote. I said that TitaN is in better shape when it comes to tournaments, which means that he go very far in tournaments he is in. He was top4 on WHOLE WCG, not just RU quali btw. Its like very far from statement that Scarlett cant go far or compete with top players, but many of you exaggerating she's performances. Yes, she walked though NA WCS but WCG TitaN was 4th is like way harder competition for a time.
No, it has nothing to do with Titan appearing in more tournaments, I am just taking the extracts and say results. And ok, but if you count off WCG then you have to count off IPL. He wasnt participating in tours recently as Scarlett did, but I think its too cocky to say that "Cant see Scarlett losing to TitaN", as its statement I reacted on.
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hoping for some good games! Acer has a beastly rooster so 
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Well he did beat Fraer today already... in HotS beta cup 
Titan has strong ZvP too, but well Scarlet beat Hero in bo3 recently so... gonna be osom!
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Azael's absolute joy at Nerchio's anger makes me very happy. :D
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Damn. Fraer, such abusive play ;D
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Lol @ Nerchio complaining about bullshit races.
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2 European teams -> nobody watching at this time. Good games tho, and enjoy the casting
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Wow only 600 viewers. Poor EG :/
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Nerchio looks like Idra, so he might as well act like him. And Fraer is really fuckin good.
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On September 14 2012 12:49 dizzy101 wrote:
2 European teams -> nobody watching at this time. Good games tho, and enjoy the casting
NASL is also taking 5000 viewers.
Fraer's my man. He really does have Nerchio's number it seems.
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On September 14 2012 08:36 mijagi182 wrote:Well he did beat Fraer today already... in HotS beta cup Titan has strong ZvP too, but well Scarlet beat Hero in bo3 recently so... gonna be osom!
Nerchio also lost to Fraer in the HotS cup in the winners bracket before. And now lost again.
Its pretty obvious Fraer has figured Nerchio out somehow. Not that he always wins, but way more than you would expect from him vs a strong ZvPer like Nerchio.
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yep... no surprise as i said earlier.
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Feel like Azael is miss-calling most of the engagements in this match.
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On September 14 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Feel like Azael is miss-calling most of the engagements in this match.
Not really. He's calling the fights right. But underestimating how much a 4 base zerg can trade for a toss with a late third.
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On September 14 2012 13:17 SoulReaver306 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Feel like Azael is miss-calling most of the engagements in this match. Not really. He's calling the fights right. But underestimating how much a 4 base zerg can trade for a toss with a late third.
yeah all those engagements by scarlett were sloppy. But she macro's like crazy so it doesnt matter
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They weren't that sloppy. The second attack on the Third wiped out the Sentries again, along with the Phoenixes and Void Rays (and killed quite a few Zealots and Stalkers).
The final attack basically crushed Titans army (mainly due to supply difference).
Sure, they weren't amazing engagements, but Azael was over-hyping how bad the decisions supposedly were.
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rofl and people actually thought titan would be favored vs scarlett! this is stupidly hard to stop when you're even. and even if scarlett doesn't win the game she still held that liek a boss
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She didn't have her usual spine crawler forest. =(
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Well played by fraer. Pulling the upset.
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wow them cannon rushes.....
kinda sloppy by scarlett, but tricky by mr titan
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Bummer 2 base immortal all in followed by cannon rush ><
Scarlet looked a little sloppy in both games, I think she is closed to unbeatable in a macro game, but is vulnerable to cheese/early all ins.
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On September 14 2012 13:26 LgNKane wrote:
rofl and people actually thought titan would be favored vs scarlett! this is stupidly hard to stop when you're even. and even if scarlett doesn't win the game she still held that liek a boss
Well uhh sup wins a win, and she lost. So i guess it was fair to say so? you sound like you just have no idea who you are talking about in Titan..
edit: and yes I know how the games are won, but thats how it is in EU for the most part, i guess rest of the world aswell. You either do passive macro or timing/cheesy play, this series was the latter I guess. dosnt mean TitaN didnt deserve tge victory ^^
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literally cannon rushing into DTs, all skill.
Cannon rushing is the only cheese that genuinely annoys me to watch. Proxy gates, 2 rax, proxy marauder, all that requires some skill. Cannon rushing is just being a dick, fuck Titan, i'm never rooting for him after that
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On September 14 2012 13:42 CryMeAReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 13:26 LgNKane wrote:
rofl and people actually thought titan would be favored vs scarlett! this is stupidly hard to stop when you're even. and even if scarlett doesn't win the game she still held that liek a boss Well uhh sup wins a win, and she lost. So i guess it was fair to say so? you sound like you just have no idea who you are talking about in Titan.. edit: and yes I know how the games are won, but thats how it is in EU for the most part, i guess rest of the world aswell. You either do passive macro or timing/cheesy play, this series was the latter I guess. dosnt mean TitaN didnt deserve tge victory ^^
i would still argue he's not favored against her at all! which was my point
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On September 14 2012 13:44 LgNKane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 13:42 CryMeAReaper wrote:On September 14 2012 13:26 LgNKane wrote:
rofl and people actually thought titan would be favored vs scarlett! this is stupidly hard to stop when you're even. and even if scarlett doesn't win the game she still held that liek a boss Well uhh sup wins a win, and she lost. So i guess it was fair to say so? you sound like you just have no idea who you are talking about in Titan.. edit: and yes I know how the games are won, but thats how it is in EU for the most part, i guess rest of the world aswell. You either do passive macro or timing/cheesy play, this series was the latter I guess. dosnt mean TitaN didnt deserve tge victory ^^ i would still argue he's not favored against her at all! which was my point
Oh no, him being "favored" definitely is a statement which comes down to the day, map, form etc. Scarlett beats koreans left & right so :p it's just from the tone of your post it seemed like you thought of titan like some noob or something like "naah man scarlett ezpzpzpz" which I think would be quite wrong :p but yeah she's super strong.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!?
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On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!?
TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses?
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On September 14 2012 01:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Bly > LiveZerg
DarkHydra < Abver
Nerchio < fraer
Scarlett < Titan
RoX.KiS 3-1 Acer
told you !
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note to teams, if you find yourself producing squads that are overwhelming made up of just one race, you're doing something wrong.
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On September 14 2012 14:11 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!? TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses?
But, but, our continental champion! 
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On September 14 2012 14:32 GunPaladin wrote:
note to teams, if you find yourself producing squads that are overwhelming made up of just one race, you're doing something wrong.
But Acer vs. Empire will be awesome. A whole night of TvZ.
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On September 14 2012 14:37 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:11 tree.hugger wrote:On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!? TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses? But, but, our continental champion!
watch games :D
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As I saidnto those guys, TitaN is going.to beat her
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Good to see Abver back in action :D!
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Roxkis aka es4x
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On September 14 2012 13:26 LgNKane wrote:
rofl and people actually thought titan would be favored vs scarlett! this is stupidly hard to stop when you're even. and even if scarlett doesn't win the game she still held that liek a boss
You, you are a funny guy.
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On September 14 2012 17:45 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:37 TheDougler wrote:On September 14 2012 14:11 tree.hugger wrote:On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!? TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses? But, but, our continental champion! watch games :D
LOL! :D
all is fair in love and war missy..
Loosing to Titan is not a big deal, i'm much more suprised with nerchio loosing to Fraer who in the past months didn't do nothing.. i knew Titan could win with smart/cheesy play but nerchio shouldn't have lost (didn't see the games tho)
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On September 14 2012 22:09 shell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 17:45 Scarlett` wrote:On September 14 2012 14:37 TheDougler wrote:On September 14 2012 14:11 tree.hugger wrote:On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!? TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses? But, but, our continental champion! watch games :D LOL! :D all is fair in love and war missy.. Loosing to Titan is not a big deal, i'm much more suprised with nerchio loosing to Fraer who in the past months didn't do nothing.. i knew Titan could win with smart/cheesy play but nerchio shouldn't have lost (didn't see the games tho)
Fraer won with DT's in game 2 when Nerchio didn't have a lair or evo chamber. Seemed like Nerchio was tilting in game three as he 8 pooled, fraer owned it, then Nerchio went 2 base Nydus, owned again, then muta, owned again, then fraer rolled over him with a Gateway army.
But yes, there is no shame in losing to Titan. Anyone who thinks WCS NA is harder than WCS Russia is kidding themselves.
Edit: Also, I have no idea why Scarlett would say watch games. Game 3 was a stomping of epic proportions.
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Gah! Missed everything except for the last game. It was a pretty funny one though. :3
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Thx for cheering. gg wp Acer. cu next time.
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On September 15 2012 05:07 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 22:09 shell wrote:On September 14 2012 17:45 Scarlett` wrote:On September 14 2012 14:37 TheDougler wrote:On September 14 2012 14:11 tree.hugger wrote:On September 14 2012 13:53 TheDougler wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCARLETT, WHAT HAPPENED!? TitaN is one of the best foreign protosses? But, but, our continental champion! watch games :D LOL! :D all is fair in love and war missy.. Loosing to Titan is not a big deal, i'm much more suprised with nerchio loosing to Fraer who in the past months didn't do nothing.. i knew Titan could win with smart/cheesy play but nerchio shouldn't have lost (didn't see the games tho) Fraer won with DT's in game 2 when Nerchio didn't have a lair or evo chamber. Seemed like Nerchio was tilting in game three as he 8 pooled, fraer owned it, then Nerchio went 2 base Nydus, owned again, then muta, owned again, then fraer rolled over him with a Gateway army. But yes, there is no shame in losing to Titan. Anyone who thinks WCS NA is harder than WCS Russia is kidding themselves. Edit: Also, I have no idea why Scarlett would say watch games. Game 3 was a stomping of epic proportions.
She said watch games because she lost to cannon rush and she also lost with a big disadvantage in game 2 but she held like a champion.
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I have to say that I really like the warp prism play from Rox.Kis Protoss'
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Roxkis has a very strong zerg and protoss line up :D
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On September 15 2012 07:52 Gladiator333 wrote:
Roxkis has a very strong zerg and protoss line up :D
Some of the best in Europe. Titan and Fraer are monsters. But really close match vs 2 great teams it could have gone either way
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My boy Titan doing what was expected
now gogo rape eu finals!
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