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well stephano being stephano !
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GGs. Very entertaining set to watch. Especially with the history between these two teams, and the recent addition of Stephano.
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Northern Ireland27447 Posts
On September 12 2012 11:13 Awesomeness wrote:
Stop saying Kennigit's post is an excuse, because he shares information with us...
I would actually like casters to at least say what server a game was played on to put thinks into perspective. There are so many cross-server games where great players have really bad reaction time etc.
Likewise, it's why I appreciated Kenningit's post. Most of the time you don't even know when games that were cast from replays were played, so a bit of background is nice.
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On September 12 2012 11:11 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.
Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.
ggwp better luck next time Stephano won fair and square. I really wouldn't expect excuses like this from TL. Puma and JYP had to play at late times as well. If you were really that concerned about the time and their condition, maybe you should've had Haypro or Ret practice a zvz snipe build instead of leaning on the "tired" koreans. You really should've not bothered with the first 2 paragraphs and just typed the ggwp better luck next time.
didn't know kennigit was the coach for liquid. anyways, go eg!
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On September 12 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances? 1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4 but he beat them in series
so taeja and hero are capacitors?
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Gratz EG, such a close series. Hopefully we get a more EG/Liquid in other leagues soon!
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On September 12 2012 11:15 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:11 Nick_54 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.
Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.
ggwp better luck next time Stephano won fair and square. I really wouldn't expect excuses like this from TL. Puma and JYP had to play at late times as well. If you were really that concerned about the time and their condition, maybe you should've had Haypro or Ret practice a zvz snipe build instead of leaning on the "tired" koreans. You really should've not bothered with the first 2 paragraphs and just typed the ggwp better luck next time. didn't know kennigit was the coach for liquid. anyways, go eg!
Only in his dreams. 
Stephano clutch from the start.
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Taeja and Hero are very good, and even though I'm not too fond of Stephano, I do think he deserved those victories. However GSL is very different. The amount of preparation required for the player is immense and this works both ways as your opponents will also be studying you. Not to mention this was a Best of 1 which doesn't really mean much, which is the sole reason I dont watch OSL either, despite legends like Flash playing in there.
With that being said, I do think Stephano can do well in GSTL if given the opportunity, as that has the same format as what we just saw. Although the snipers will be a lot more difficult in GSTL. Code S is a different story, and until we see it with our own eyes, he will never officially be on top.
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On September 12 2012 11:11 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:06 eshlow wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 Kennigit wrote:So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option. Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like. ggwp better luck next time  Meh, why not play them earlier in the order then if their condition is going to be bad very late night korean time. You know the games are likely going to go very late if they start at say 11 or 12 korean time it's obviously going to go past 2-3 AM most likely against teams that are fairly evenly matched. I don't understand that. It just seems like an excuse to me. People in the thread are asking why they (taeja and hero) were making so many silly mistakes.
i havent seen taeja doing silly mistakes, he had perfect control over his banshees and was targetting baneling like a baller, he just played too greedy, stephano punished him.
for HerO, he just had no chance against Stephano ZvP no matter how good he would have played, sending ret would have been a better choice since stephano isnt really good at ZvZ.
Stephano is flanking protoss like a boss.... its unbelievable.
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On September 12 2012 11:10 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 Ah, I see now. You're right. Still, Code S RO16 is pretty nice.
no no no it was best of 1 not gsl is best of 3, so he gets RO4 from each. RO(4+4) he s RO8.
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United States97277 Posts
On September 12 2012 11:15 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances? 1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4 but he beat them in series so taeja and hero are capacitors?
I guess that's possible
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Hmmm log on and noticed I missed the match. Click the stream and the rebroadcast is just now starting.
Awesome.
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On September 12 2012 11:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:15 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances? 1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4 but he beat them in series so taeja and hero are capacitors? I guess that's possible
Only way to find out would be to put stephano in GSL and see how far he gets.
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On September 12 2012 11:11 Kennigit wrote:
It's not an excuse as much as an explanation (maybe they are the same). Stephano definitely outplayed them both and won fair and square. People in the thread are asking why they (taeja and hero) were making so many silly mistakes. I'm just explaining some of the background on the matches. It could just have easily been scheduled for 8am (when id assume the EG house is waking up groggy etc).
Not much said that Taeja and Hero played badly.
About Taeja he showed really high skill level against JYP and lost to Stephano due to great decision making.
About HerO he played well but again, Stephano level was really, really high.
Saying they played bad is silly and not fair for EG, are you saying TaeJa made silly mystakes against JYP ? Cause i just saw a freaking good banshee micro and a sharp timing.
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On September 12 2012 11:19 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:15 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances? 1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4 but he beat them in series so taeja and hero are capacitors? I guess that's possible Only way to find out would be to put stephano in GSL and see how far he gets.
But then he would make silly mistakes in the IPTL!
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On September 12 2012 11:20 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:19 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:15 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player. no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16 hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances? 1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4 but he beat them in series so taeja and hero are capacitors? I guess that's possible Only way to find out would be to put stephano in GSL and see how far he gets. But then he would make silly mistakes in the IPTL!
A small price to pay to find out whether hero and taeja are resistances or capacitors imo. Just take one for science.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On September 12 2012 11:20 v_lm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:11 Kennigit wrote:
It's not an excuse as much as an explanation (maybe they are the same). Stephano definitely outplayed them both and won fair and square. People in the thread are asking why they (taeja and hero) were making so many silly mistakes. I'm just explaining some of the background on the matches. It could just have easily been scheduled for 8am (when id assume the EG house is waking up groggy etc).
Not much said that Taeja and Hero played badly. About Taeja he showed really high skill level against JYP and lost to Stephano due to great decision making. About HerO he played well but again, Stephano level was really, really high. Saying they played bad is silly and not fair for EG, are you saying TaeJa made silly mystakes against JYP ? Cause i just saw a freaking good banshee micro and a sharp timing.
Yeah taeja played greedy against stephano and got punished for it. I'm not saying taeja made mistakes against JYP, rather due to play times etc maybe JYP would have beaten taeja and we'd have lost even earlier. Scheduling and sucking it up is just something everyone has to deal with.
I understand that people want to look for "HEY THEY ARE MAKING EXCUSES" as soon as anything is addressed outside of "ggwp"...but i think it's important for fans to have a full picture. If stephano and taeja played that set 50 times, stephano still beats him more due to greed - but the "minor" mistakes fans asked about earlier in the thread are affected (even if a minor degree) by timings, lags and all that stuff that every team and player suffers from.
Overall we lost because they played better.
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Axslav is a beast in the booth. I hope you guys keep him and we see him casting at more tournaments!
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I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so.
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