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Dotq
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway235 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1041
On September 12 2012 11:07 MetalPanda wrote:
Good job Stephano.. it feels so weird having to root against you though... I love seeing EG losing but I love seeing Stephano win.


My thoughts;(

So sad stephano is EG now.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 02:10:13
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1042
On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol


bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team.

completely different styles

Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player.

no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16

Ah, I see now. You're right. Still, Code S RO16 is pretty nice.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1043
On September 12 2012 11:06 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:06 Irave wrote:
Enjoyed the casting of Axslav, was a good show.


Very much this. Axslav is a great caster and I hope he is back for future shows.


He did a good job.

Stephano is EG's saving grace.

As for Taeja's play and getting caught with his pants down, meh.

At least HerO's game was a bit better.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1044
On September 12 2012 11:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol


bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team.

completely different styles

Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player.

If he's a Ro4 player he can go prove it.

I think Kenningit's post was pretty useful as well, didn't seem sour to me. I mean people were wondering who was playing cross-server etc, seems handy to give us a sense of when the games were played


yeah and if liquid won he would have totally posted that right ? it was just to inform people right ? lmao
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mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1045
On September 12 2012 11:09 Harbinger631 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


Don't Puma and JYP live in Korea too?

This kind of gets at the heart of it
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1046
On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol


bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team.

completely different styles

Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player.

no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16


Seems legit
Bora Pain minha porra!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#1047
On September 12 2012 11:06 lannisport wrote:
We need more casters like Axslav... Can someone make a fanclub for him? He knows that all you need is 65 drones for a 12 minute roach max, he explained the reason why Stephano had a much larger bank (Traded 100 supply for 300+ of Hero's). Great job. I hope IPL keeps him for good.

Well-said. More love for Axslav, great color commentator ^__^ b
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
September 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#1048
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


Stephano won fair and square. I really wouldn't expect excuses like this from TL. Puma and JYP had to play at late times as well. If you were really that concerned about the time and their condition, maybe you should've had Haypro or Ret practice a zvz snipe build instead of leaning on the "tired" koreans.

You really should've not bothered with the first 2 paragraphs and just typed the ggwp better luck next time.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 02:14:24
September 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#1049
On September 12 2012 11:06 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:03 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


Meh, why not play them earlier in the order then if their condition is going to be bad very late night korean time. You know the games are likely going to go very late if they start at say 11 or 12 korean time it's obviously going to go past 2-3 AM most likely against teams that are fairly evenly matched.

I don't understand that. It just seems like an excuse to me.

It's not an excuse as much as an explanation (maybe they are the same). Stephano definitely outplayed them both and won fair and square. People in the thread are asking why they (taeja and hero) were making so many silly mistakes. I'm just explaining some of the background on the matches. It could just have easily been scheduled for 8am (when id assume the EG house is waking up groggy etc).

Puma and JYP both had to play late (maybe JYP beats taeja if it had been earlier). It's something we should think about for future seasons though and how tournaments are formatted.

We've benefited from server/timing advantage PLENTY of times so its not really a boo-hoo about losing. Its just one of the unfortunate natures of playing internationally.
luuk
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria386 Posts
September 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#1050
On September 12 2012 11:10 Dotq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 MetalPanda wrote:
Good job Stephano.. it feels so weird having to root against you though... I love seeing EG losing but I love seeing Stephano win.


My thoughts;(

So sad stephano is EG now.

this. *brofists*
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 12 2012 02:11 GMT
#1051
On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol


bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team.

completely different styles

Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player.

no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16

hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances?

1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1052
EG curse really affected stephano tonight <3 <3 <3 <3
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1053
On September 12 2012 11:09 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


That sounds like an excuse to me. You guys played a great series, and I (and most of the people watching I'm sure) were thoroughly entertained. But the timing of the post kind of gives off the excuse vibe to me.



exactly, it seemed like a well timed excuse.

Well done stephano, my predictions at the start of this thread were right! steffy can take out taeja and puma /jyp will clean up the rest.
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1054
On September 12 2012 11:11 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:07 Zane wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol


bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team.

completely different styles

Doesn't matter. He beat two RO8 players=> he's a RO4 player.

no no no i think it adds together. RO8 + RO8 --> factor out the RO so you get RO(8+8) =RO16

hehe, what if they add up like parallel resistances?

1/(1/RO8 + 1/RO8) = 1/(2/RO8) = 1/(1/RO4) = RO4

but he beat them in series
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polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1055
On September 12 2012 11:06 lannisport wrote:
We need more casters like Axslav... Can someone make a fanclub for him? He knows that all you need is 65 drones for a 12 minute roach max, he explained the reason why Stephano had a much larger bank (Traded 100 supply for 300+ of Hero's). Great job. I hope IPL keeps him for good.

Indeed he is doing very nice job, very entertaining and funny caster
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1056
On September 12 2012 11:10 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:09 Harbinger631 wrote:
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


Don't Puma and JYP live in Korea too?

This kind of gets at the heart of it


I am just going to view it as kenigit giving accolades to Puma and JYP because they obviously don't get tired while the TL Koreans just aren't at that level yet. I think the Monster sponsorship helps
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
September 12 2012 02:12 GMT
#1057
On September 12 2012 11:10 Dotq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:07 MetalPanda wrote:
Good job Stephano.. it feels so weird having to root against you though... I love seeing EG losing but I love seeing Stephano win.


My thoughts;(

So sad stephano is EG now.


Opposite reasoning for being sad as Stephano is EG, for me. I love EG.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 12 2012 02:13 GMT
#1058
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time

Puma would have won his two matches under the same conditions that your boys lost theirs, wouldn't he?
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Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 02:14:23
September 12 2012 02:13 GMT
#1059
Stop saying Kennigit's post is an excuse, because he shares information with us...

I would actually like casters to at least say what server a game was played on to put thinks into perspective. There are so many cross-server games where great players have really bad reaction time etc.

And yeah I think Stephano beating Taeja on Korea is still impressive even given those circumstances. It also explains why he chose an all-in and didn't want to play a macro-game...
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 12 2012 02:13 GMT
#1060
On September 12 2012 11:11 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:05 Kennigit wrote:
So without taking too much away from the fact that Stephano won, i'll address a lot of the comments about Taeja and Hero's performance/making mistakes. These two games were played between 2:30 and 3:30am korean time - hero had just played his code s matches (at around 5pm) then came home to wait for this. Scheduling matches internationally fucking sucks - its pretty common that you can be in worse or better condition that your opponent just based on scheduling (it was about 9pm EU, 3pm US when stephano/taeja played). Iirc we had basically hit the limit for delaying this set, so delaying the games wasn't really an option.

Because of the IPTL winner-stays format, you cant just schedule certain matches for better timing. There's not an optimal solution for timings right now. Ideally your players are i the best possible mental condition when they play hard matches due to the cerebral nature of SC2...it's just not as feasible as we'd like.

ggwp better luck next time


Stephano won fair and square. I really wouldn't expect excuses like this from TL. Puma and JYP had to play at late times as well. If you were really that concerned about the time and their condition, maybe you should've had Haypro or Ret practice a zvz snipe build instead of leaning on the "tired" koreans.

You really should've not bothered with the first 2 paragraphs and just typed the ggwp better luck next time.

Yup, Puma and JYP had to play on late times as well. Perhaps JYP wins vs Taeja if it was earlier!
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