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On September 12 2012 16:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
We travel a lot, we play jetlagged, short on sleep, in the middle of the night, we win and we lose. Throughout the years we have had hundreds of matches with disadvantageous conditions. I really believe that as long as the conditions are predictable you accept them by joining the league, and shouldn't make an issue out of it when you lose.
Being tired is so common for players it should not be brought up when losing. Every team could pretty much be talking about jetlag, being tired, and scheduling issues after every match they lose. We shouldn't want that kind of scene. I have always found it extremely important that we keep those excuses from the fans who try to enjoy the matches. Kennigit's statements don't reflect how the team feels. I apologize to EG and the fans for what was said.
I'm happy to read post like that 
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On September 12 2012 10:23 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 09:37 Incomplet wrote:On September 12 2012 09:31 Shikada wrote:On September 12 2012 09:27 Incomplet wrote:On September 12 2012 09:22 Powster wrote:
I think idra can beat taeja.. Kind of like how people thought Mana and Naniwa would advance in Code S but then they both end up last in their respective groups? Or when people think foreigners will take out Koreans in foreign tournaments, but then the top 8 are all Koreans? How many times do Koreans have to stomp foreigners to get people to understand that the are on a completely different level? Seriously? Yeah Koreans are better than foreigners, we all know that, but even top Koreans lose to them sometimes. Naniwa has good runs in code S. No need to belittle their efforts... Actually Naniwa is one of the few foreigners I actually respect as he has the balls to actually make the move to Korea and understands that to be the best, he has to play among the best every day. But after seeing Idra disappoint time after time with his poor attitude, premature GG's and lack of fighting spirit, its about time people stopped being blind-sighted by his BM personality - thinking that he can actually take a game off the likes of Taeja. i lived in korea for 2.5 years making no money playing 12 hours a day in a real kespa team house. and i took a game off taeja at asus a month ago shut the fuck up
Owned lol.
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On September 12 2012 16:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 12:39 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 12:24 Dosey wrote:
Except the fact that the criticisms are warranted though. The information wasn't provided beforehand and wasn't brought up until it was revealed that the team lost.
How would you have gone about explaining that Stephano beat taeja/hero or when the games we played before hand. The point of the discussion has little to do with those 3 players because it affects ALL teams and ALL players. In professional sports, stating excuses for a loss comes across as dickish (blaming the refs, talking about nagging injuries, long road trips, etc). As cheesy as the "We did our best, but we need to try harder" line is, the point is that stating anything other than "we lost the game" makes your team and your players look worse, instead of softening a tough loss. Scheduling and timing issues are a big deal, but it's simply not something to bring up immediately after a match. Regardless of the result, the implications will always be negative...that you lost because of unfair circumstances, or that your opponent was so bad that you still won when you weren't 100%. If it's a legitimate problem, let it stand on its own.
I agree it comes across as a bit annoying when a PLAYER is making excuses as to why he lost a match, but this wasn't a player in a post-game intererview. This is Ken giving us a tiny bit of info, and Ken is probably more comparable to a sports insider. If Taeja came on here and started saying he only lost because he was tired then that would definitely look bad, heh. That would obviously never happen though.
If you want to compare it to professional sports. In professional sports we know who the home team is and who the away team is, we know the team travel schedules which sometimes makes a huge difference, there are rarely individual competitions outside of the team like there are in SC2 (except maybe having a child or a funeral or something).....in short, we know a LOT about professional sports players and can draw conclusions as to why some players may underperform.
In SC2, when I turn on the stream, about the only thing I know about the players is what the casters tell us and "Starting in the 6 o'clock position as the pink Zerg, is EG's newest member....etc."
Long story short: As a fan of Taeja, Hero AND Stephano, I was glad to hear the info that Ken provided.
Cheers,
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On September 12 2012 19:24 Liquid`Ret wrote:
gg boys! stephano is beast 8)
I think you would have been the best chance to take him out to be honest.
It was a very well played series by both teams.
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On September 13 2012 06:39 Ramone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 16:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 12 2012 12:39 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 12:24 Dosey wrote:
Except the fact that the criticisms are warranted though. The information wasn't provided beforehand and wasn't brought up until it was revealed that the team lost.
How would you have gone about explaining that Stephano beat taeja/hero or when the games we played before hand. The point of the discussion has little to do with those 3 players because it affects ALL teams and ALL players. In professional sports, stating excuses for a loss comes across as dickish (blaming the refs, talking about nagging injuries, long road trips, etc). As cheesy as the "We did our best, but we need to try harder" line is, the point is that stating anything other than "we lost the game" makes your team and your players look worse, instead of softening a tough loss. Scheduling and timing issues are a big deal, but it's simply not something to bring up immediately after a match. Regardless of the result, the implications will always be negative...that you lost because of unfair circumstances, or that your opponent was so bad that you still won when you weren't 100%. If it's a legitimate problem, let it stand on its own. I agree it comes across as a bit annoying when a PLAYER is making excuses as to why he lost a match, but this wasn't a player in a post-game intererview. This is Ken giving us a tiny bit of info, and Ken is probably more comparable to a sports insider. If Taeja came on here and started saying he only lost because he was tired then that would definitely look bad, heh. That would obviously never happen though. If you want to compare it to professional sports. In professional sports we know who the home team is and who the away team is, we know the team travel schedules which sometimes makes a huge difference, there are rarely individual competitions outside of the team like there are in SC2 (except maybe having a child or a funeral or something).....in short, we know a LOT about professional sports players and can draw conclusions as to why some players may underperform. In SC2, when I turn on the stream, about the only thing I know about the players is what the casters tell us and "Starting in the 6 o'clock position as the pink Zerg, is EG's newest member....etc." Long story short: As a fan of Taeja, Hero AND Stephano, I was glad to hear the info that Ken provided. Cheers,
Kennigit is still someone that represents Team Liquid both for the website and the actual pro-gaming Team. Obviously things in eSports get a lot more blurry, since you hear from almost everyone involved in the business, but hearing something like a General Manager make excuses for his team is still the same as a Coach, even though a GM has no real say in individual games.
I'm not saying that I specifically have a problem with Kennigit bringing up scheduling problems, I'm saying that there's simply no way to bring it up immediately after a match without appearing whiny or arrogant (depending on the results).
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Well I don't think there is a good way around this problem. Well a team can just decline and don't participate in tourneys when they don't like the format or their players has to much to do in other tournaments.
Maybe EG's choice to play their koreans earlier were much better strategically. And I really have to disagree with the TL choice of playing Hero instead of a Zerg. EG clearly won the coaching match.
Props to Stephano for his awesome debut on EG and props to Nazgul for his down to earth post!
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