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i havent seen taeja doing silly mistakes, he had perfect control over his banshees and was targetting baneling like a baller, he just played too greedy, stephano punished him.
for HerO, he just had no chance against Stephano ZvP no matter how good he would have played, sending ret would have been a better choice since stephano isnt really good at ZvZ.
Stephano is flanking protoss like a boss.... its unbelievable.
I really like your post about liquidHero.
"no matter how good Hero would have played, he had no chance stephano has a godly zvp , stephano is the
best player in the world "
oh well you dont really seem to know how good Hero's pvz is. Although he says he doesnt really feel confident
about it, he still has one of the pvz in the world. Taking down players like DRG and symbol is no joke dude
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It was kinda spoiled by Stephanos Twitter  He would have never tweeted so much about how folks should watch this if he didn't win in a big way. At least he never did and almost no pro gamer does actually. But it was AWESOME to see him playing so well against the very best players of the planet. Hope he keeps it up.
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Stephano stepping up for his new team as expected allways knew he would beat Taeja if they ever meet. Only way to beat Stephano atm is to snipe him with a ZvZ
On September 12 2012 11:04 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:03 sharkie wrote:
So Stephano beat two Code S Ro8 players? lol bo1 in a format where you are not specifically preparing for a certain opponent but an overall team. completely different styles
He has beat Hero multiple times at offline tournament and when he meet Taeja hopefully soon. Taeja will go down hard just like all the others..
Stephano is a top 3 zerg in the world and a multiple championship winner. He can beat anyone. Matter in fact Hero and Taeja achievement doesn't even come close to Stephano´s so the results is not really surprising
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Omg I'm so conflicted now. I hate EG but Stephano is my favorite player
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On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team.
Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight.
Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on.
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Taeja and Hero must feel terrible..they take it so hard when they lose cause most of the burden is on them. Being tired should not be an excuse..but it is a legitimate reason. Stephano just played better, is all. THIS TIME.
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EG CURSE HAS STRUCK AGAIN
looking forward to part 2 of EG Falling documentary
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I'll cut through all the whining and state that I think Axslav was a big winner tonight. So Props to him. Well done, Nick!
Thanks to the players and casters and IGN for putting on a great show!
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On September 12 2012 11:58 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +i havent seen taeja doing silly mistakes, he had perfect control over his banshees and was targetting baneling like a baller, he just played too greedy, stephano punished him.
for HerO, he just had no chance against Stephano ZvP no matter how good he would have played, sending ret would have been a better choice since stephano isnt really good at ZvZ.
Stephano is flanking protoss like a boss.... its unbelievable. I really like your post about liquidHero. "no matter how good Hero would have played, he had no chance stephano has a godly zvp , stephano is the best player in the world " oh well you dont really seem to know how good Hero's pvz is. Although he says he doesnt really feel confident about it, he still has one of the pvz in the world. Taking down players like DRG and symbol is no joke dude
Whats his record against stephano? Also sending HerO against stephano and making him loss is like a mental death for him, i can't really imaginate how sad he was when he loss loool
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On September 12 2012 12:06 mijellin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team. Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight. Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on.
And what purpose does this "additional insight" actually provide? All I see it possibly doing is giving the EG and Stephano haters more fuel for the fire.
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whoever decided to put hero in shouldn't be a manager, wp by stephano though.
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Awww shit I didn't know Stephano was playing for EG already. Now I gotta wait for the rebroadcast I guess.
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On September 12 2012 12:11 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 12:06 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team. Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight. Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on. And what purpose does this "additional insight" actually provide? All I see it possibly doing is giving the EG and Stephano haters more fuel for the fire.
There's such a thing as information for the sake of information. Now I know that players have to deal with time zone issues. It's obvious in hindsight, but something I had not considered previously. Does it change how I view the series and its outcome? No. It doesn't have to have a purpose.
First of all, I haven't noticed much fuel to the fire towards the EG/stephano hate. It's actually mainly the criticisms about the information being an "excuse." Instead of trying to predict such a strange response and censoring based on that, why don't we consider the fact that those criticisms are unwarranted in the first place?
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On September 12 2012 12:17 mijellin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 12:11 Dosey wrote:On September 12 2012 12:06 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team. Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight. Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on. And what purpose does this "additional insight" actually provide? All I see it possibly doing is giving the EG and Stephano haters more fuel for the fire. There's such a thing as information for the sake of information. Now I know that players have to deal with time zone issues. It's obvious in hindsight, but something I had not considered previously. Does it change how I view the series and its outcome? No. It doesn't have to have a purpose. First of all, I haven't noticed much fuel to the fire towards the EG/stephano hate. It's actually mainly the criticisms about the information being an "excuse." Instead of trying to predict such a strange response and censoring based on that, why don't we consider the fact that those criticisms are unwarranted in the first place?
Except the fact that the criticisms are warranted though. The information wasn't provided beforehand and wasn't brought up until it was revealed that the team lost.
For example:
Quarterback breaks his leg, announces his leg is broken before hand and the coach still decides to play him.
That's providing information so that the audience is aware.
Now what if he doesn't say anything and afterwards at the post-game press conference, the quarterback is questioned as to why he threw 10 interceptions. He says "My leg was broken so I played poorly"
That just sounds like an excuse.
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On September 12 2012 11:24 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:20 v_lm wrote:On September 12 2012 11:11 Kennigit wrote:
It's not an excuse as much as an explanation (maybe they are the same). Stephano definitely outplayed them both and won fair and square. People in the thread are asking why they (taeja and hero) were making so many silly mistakes. I'm just explaining some of the background on the matches. It could just have easily been scheduled for 8am (when id assume the EG house is waking up groggy etc).
Not much said that Taeja and Hero played badly. About Taeja he showed really high skill level against JYP and lost to Stephano due to great decision making. About HerO he played well but again, Stephano level was really, really high. Saying they played bad is silly and not fair for EG, are you saying TaeJa made silly mystakes against JYP ? Cause i just saw a freaking good banshee micro and a sharp timing. Yeah taeja played greedy against stephano and got punished for it. I'm not saying taeja made mistakes against JYP, rather due to play times etc maybe JYP would have beaten taeja and we'd have lost even earlier. Scheduling and sucking it up is just something everyone has to deal with. I understand that people want to look for "HEY THEY ARE MAKING EXCUSES" as soon as anything is addressed outside of "ggwp"...but i think it's important for fans to have a full picture. If stephano and taeja played that set 50 times, stephano still beats him more due to greed - but the "minor" mistakes fans asked about earlier in the thread are affected (even if a minor degree) by timings, lags and all that stuff that every team and player suffers from. Overall we lost because they played better.
Well said. I appreciate the good sportsmanship portrayed by Liquid, which is why you guys are my #2 favorite team.
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Missed it
When are rebroadcasts ? / Are there VODs ? (If yes, where ?)
Thanks 
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On September 12 2012 12:24 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 12:17 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 12:11 Dosey wrote:On September 12 2012 12:06 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team. Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight. Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on. And what purpose does this "additional insight" actually provide? All I see it possibly doing is giving the EG and Stephano haters more fuel for the fire. There's such a thing as information for the sake of information. Now I know that players have to deal with time zone issues. It's obvious in hindsight, but something I had not considered previously. Does it change how I view the series and its outcome? No. It doesn't have to have a purpose. First of all, I haven't noticed much fuel to the fire towards the EG/stephano hate. It's actually mainly the criticisms about the information being an "excuse." Instead of trying to predict such a strange response and censoring based on that, why don't we consider the fact that those criticisms are unwarranted in the first place? Except the fact that the criticisms are warranted though. The information wasn't provided beforehand and wasn't brought up until it was revealed that the team lost.
I agree, Ken should just have sayd wp gg. It does just smell like an excuse. However of course condition and tiredness got an impact but the coaches from TL knew that. But what about Stephano? Taeja and Hero was tired but hell Stephano could be drunk!
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On September 12 2012 12:29 Black17 wrote:Missed it When are rebroadcasts ? / Are there VODs ? (If yes, where ?) Thanks
I'm watching the rebroadcast now http://www.ign.com/ipl/starcraft-2 so far three matches have been played
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On September 12 2012 12:24 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 12:17 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 12:11 Dosey wrote:On September 12 2012 12:06 mijellin wrote:On September 12 2012 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:47 Kennigit wrote:On September 12 2012 11:43 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 11:29 Awesomeness wrote:On September 12 2012 11:24 v_lm wrote:
I pretty much agree with j4vz, I think Liquid have underrated Stephano's shape... However in his last official event he crushed Polt, Genius and Supernova in a row...
Silly was not Taeja or Hero decisions but TL decision not to keep Sheth or Zenio to snipe Stephano.
EDIT : Well maybe scheduling issues prevented TL to do so. You really think TL (OR ANYONE) would underestimate Stephano? lol. And the people bitching about Kennegit's post just make my head hurt. People always want more insight and when they get it, they say those are excuses. If you behave like that, they will just stop sharing information with us. Do you really want that? Yes, I do want that. I don't care when the games were played. If they used players who weren't in the optimal shape to play, that's entirely on them. I don't want to read about it, from anyone. X_X . EVERYONE has to deal with their players not being in optimal shape - it doesnt' give anyone a leg up. It's like in fighting when you come off of a training camp with bad knee or some bruises/hairline fractures. Part of the game is also pretending that you are in optimum shape and is a big talking point. I guess i can pretend for your sake that all players are robots. Yes, everyone has to deal with it. I could care less when I read a coach pointing out why the conditions caused mistakes in sport, I have no interest in reading about how playing at 2:30 am caused huge mistakes... And, yes, especially when it comes from someone associated with a losing team. Speak for yourself. A lot of people including myself appreciated the additional information. Not as an excuse, just as additional insight. Any time you come upon something you are not interested in, do you always look to censor it? Can't you just learn to ignore it like the rest of us? If you don't care about it, move on. And what purpose does this "additional insight" actually provide? All I see it possibly doing is giving the EG and Stephano haters more fuel for the fire. There's such a thing as information for the sake of information. Now I know that players have to deal with time zone issues. It's obvious in hindsight, but something I had not considered previously. Does it change how I view the series and its outcome? No. It doesn't have to have a purpose. First of all, I haven't noticed much fuel to the fire towards the EG/stephano hate. It's actually mainly the criticisms about the information being an "excuse." Instead of trying to predict such a strange response and censoring based on that, why don't we consider the fact that those criticisms are unwarranted in the first place? Except the fact that the criticisms are warranted though. The information wasn't provided beforehand and wasn't brought up until it was revealed that the team lost. For example: Quarterback breaks his leg, announces his leg is broken before hand and the coach still decides to play him. That's providing information so that the audience is aware. Now what if he doesn't say anything and afterwards at the post-game press conference, the quarterback is questioned as to why he threw 10 interceptions. He says "My leg was broken so I played poorly" That just sounds like an excuse.
Actually, you're right it is a little bit like an excuse. I don't think the information can be supplied beforehand bc of spoilers, but as Kennigit conceded he probably would not have given that detail had they won.
That said, I think the way he expressed it was pretty gracious and fair, admitting that things could have easily gone in TL's favor, and that they HAVE gone in TL's favor in other matches previously. I thought the criticisms (not necessarily by you) were a little (read: a lot) overboard. Speaking more personally, his bias is really very understandable so I chose to just take away the new information that I didn't know previously.
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