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Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
September 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#521
Sheth looking pretty good. Although JYP is going to be a formidable opponent. And man I just noticed the stream is up to 12.5k viewers! Great start since it is Liquid vs EG.
Darkaros
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
September 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#522
Yesssss TaeJa or Stephano haven't practically all-killed, so I can actually catch some of these games! Go go Liquid!
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
September 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#523
God that one commercial is annoyingly loud
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 12 2012 00:51 GMT
#524
On September 12 2012 09:37 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:31 Shikada wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:27 Incomplet wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:22 Powster wrote:
I think idra can beat taeja..


Kind of like how people thought Mana and Naniwa would advance in Code S but then they both end up last in their respective groups? Or when people think foreigners will take out Koreans in foreign tournaments, but then the top 8 are all Koreans? How many times do Koreans have to stomp foreigners to get people to understand that the are on a completely different level?


Seriously? Yeah Koreans are better than foreigners, we all know that, but even top Koreans lose to them sometimes. Naniwa has good runs in code S. No need to belittle their efforts...


Actually Naniwa is one of the few foreigners I actually respect as he has the balls to actually make the move to Korea and understands that to be the best, he has to play among the best every day. But after seeing Idra disappoint time after time with his poor attitude, premature GG's and lack of fighting spirit, its about time people stopped being blind-sighted by his BM personality - thinking that he can actually take a game off the likes of Taeja.

Idra moved to Korea to train 4 years before Naniwa.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 12 2012 00:51 GMT
#525
On September 12 2012 09:50 Sovano wrote:
Sheth looking pretty good. Although JYP is going to be a formidable opponent. And man I just noticed the stream is up to 12.5k viewers! Great start since it is Liquid vs EG.


Not bad, but hopefully it breaks 15k tonight.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 12 2012 00:51 GMT
#526
On September 12 2012 09:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:37 Incomplet wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:31 Shikada wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:27 Incomplet wrote:
On September 12 2012 09:22 Powster wrote:
I think idra can beat taeja..


Kind of like how people thought Mana and Naniwa would advance in Code S but then they both end up last in their respective groups? Or when people think foreigners will take out Koreans in foreign tournaments, but then the top 8 are all Koreans? How many times do Koreans have to stomp foreigners to get people to understand that the are on a completely different level?


Seriously? Yeah Koreans are better than foreigners, we all know that, but even top Koreans lose to them sometimes. Naniwa has good runs in code S. No need to belittle their efforts...


Actually Naniwa is one of the few foreigners I actually respect as he has the balls to actually make the move to Korea and understands that to be the best, he has to play among the best every day. But after seeing Idra disappoint time after time with his poor attitude, premature GG's and lack of fighting spirit, its about time people stopped being blind-sighted by his BM personality - thinking that he can actually take a game off the likes of Taeja.

Idra's problem has always been his mentality. Not making excuses for the guy but people forget the time when he was pretty much the only foreign Zerg consistently competing with the Koreans, especially in MLGs. Stephano should hopefully rub off him a bit and give him some more insight and we'll see a resurgent Gracken, in an ideal world anyway


To be honest, I don't think EG is gonna play Idra a lot anymore in their teamleagues.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
September 12 2012 00:51 GMT
#527
Finally sending out JYP, he shoulda came in last game to give both Thorzain and Stephano a chance at Taeja. Oh well, I have faith that EG can bring this one home... Kind of. We'll see I guess
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
September 12 2012 00:52 GMT
#528
this games are bo5, bo7 bo9?
in liquipedia theres nothing about it

Round of 8:
Two 4 player groups, Round Robin, Matches are in an All-Kill format. BO#???
1st and 2nd places in each group will advance to the Ro4
3rd and 4th place in each group will drop into the Up and Down Matches
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
September 12 2012 00:52 GMT
#529
On September 12 2012 09:52 TeMiL wrote:
this games are bo5, bo7 bo9?
in liquipedia theres nothing about it

Round of 8:
Two 4 player groups, Round Robin, Matches are in an All-Kill format. BO#???
1st and 2nd places in each group will advance to the Ro4
3rd and 4th place in each group will drop into the Up and Down Matches


best of 9
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
September 12 2012 00:52 GMT
#530
On September 12 2012 09:52 TeMiL wrote:
this games are bo5, bo7 bo9?
in liquipedia theres nothing about it

Round of 8:
Two 4 player groups, Round Robin, Matches are in an All-Kill format. BO#???
1st and 2nd places in each group will advance to the Ro4
3rd and 4th place in each group will drop into the Up and Down Matches


bo9
luuk
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria386 Posts
September 12 2012 00:53 GMT
#531
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.
xHQx
Profile Joined August 2012
Russian Federation601 Posts
September 12 2012 00:53 GMT
#532
i have a feeling...Sheth will end this once again
are you evolving?
Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
September 12 2012 00:53 GMT
#533
Axslav is an amazing analysis commentator!
My life for Auir | FLASH . JD . BISU . HERO . Nony . Incontrol . FIGHTING
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
September 12 2012 00:54 GMT
#534
Hmm, so one of Ret, HerO, or TaeJa will not be playing today from Liquid.
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
September 12 2012 00:54 GMT
#535
On September 12 2012 09:53 luuk wrote:
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.

so that they don't get sniped, losing the best player early is quite bad. could argue that you should use them 3rd or 4th for maximum effect. Can still save a sniper for them then thou
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 12 2012 00:55 GMT
#536
On September 12 2012 09:53 luuk wrote:
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.


give the other dudes a shot I guess, good way for a manager to see who can cut it
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 12 2012 00:55 GMT
#537
On September 12 2012 09:54 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:53 luuk wrote:
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.

so that they don't get sniped, losing the best player early is quite bad. could argue that you should use them 3rd or 4th for maximum effect. Can still save a sniper for them then thou

The problem with saving a sniper for last is you don't know who's left.
Best to leave the most versatile or stable ones last so they can deal with more shit.
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
September 12 2012 00:55 GMT
#538
Hoping for JYP to take the win here so we get closer to a Stephano vs Taeja ace match because who wouldn't want to see that?
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
September 12 2012 00:56 GMT
#539
On September 12 2012 09:53 luuk wrote:
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.

In an AK format it makes perfect sense to save your top players for last. You need them as your Ace to keep you alive if shit goes wrong. The general strategy is start with like a strong(Maybe 2nd-3rd best on your team kind of thing) to hopefully get a kill or two, after which you can send out a couple of lesser known players who have shown promise in practice to get them experience/exposure. Then if your back is against the wall you start sending in the big guns again.

Well that's how I'd do it anyway, I'm not a pro coach but it makes sense to me.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 12 2012 00:57 GMT
#540
On September 12 2012 09:53 luuk wrote:
ill never understand why teams seed their best players almost last. that makes no sense.


There are many reasons.

1) Give your less known players more experience and potential time to shine.
2) Force out their good players so you can send out your snipers (rather than your snipers getting sniped).
3) Tire out their best players so when the aces clash, the fresh ace will have the advantage (Taeja all-killed IM once and almost the second time but then finally fell after taking out like 7 of them - presumably to fatigue.)
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
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