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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 07 2012 11:59 GMT
#1041
NSH and IM coaches swapped places?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
September 07 2012 11:59 GMT
#1042
On September 07 2012 20:57 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 20:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:47 forsooth wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:43 Yello wrote:
Wow. Both players playing so well. I think the map played a huge role here. On another map Jjakji would have probably won. Well, maybe not, Seed is damn good.


I actually think the map kept him alive longer than it should have. Seed just couldn't pick fights because there's no real open field for zealots to get decent surface area.

There's also no open space for Terran armies to get surface area on Protoss armies. Generally speaking chokes and narrow corridors are much more advantageous for Protoss in the matchup because of all of the AOE and how tightly packed Terran armies end up.


I completely disagree (politely, of course!), the ramps allow terran to create concaves at almost every location on Cloud Kingdom. The map isn't narrow, it just has a ton of locations where terran can set up positions protoss shouldn't attack into.
So Seed's zealot heavy army isn't really a good choice for the map imo. Stalker colossus HT would have been better imo because he could've used these locations for himself to snipe units and bait storms.

Well, the ramps work both way, protoss can't attack into them but terran can't either.


Which then favors the more mobile army because it can set up these positions quicker and easier. And that would be the terran army.
I do agree that it can work both ways though, HerO vs Ryung in Code S was a great example.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 07 2012 11:59 GMT
#1043
Probably better to send out Tassadar vs Seed first, hope to get lucky with BO and then use Seal/Sculp for their last player (depending on who they send out).

PvP still has that coinflip factor, so if Tassadar beat Seed LG-IM probably wouldn't send out MC. Losira, Happy or YoDa is more likely. And Seal/Scul has a better chance of beating those players than they have of beating Seed.
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
September 07 2012 11:59 GMT
#1044
Fool me once twice love bites. Woooo so hardcore.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 07 2012 11:59 GMT
#1045
On September 07 2012 20:59 DJHelium wrote:
Probably better to send out Tassadar vs Seed first, hope to get lucky with BO and then use Seal/Sculp for their last player (depending on who they send out).

PvP still has that coinflip factor, so if Tassadar beat Seed LG-IM probably wouldn't send out MC. Losira, Happy or YoDa is more likely. And Seal/Scul has a better chance of beating those players than they have of beating Seed.


This is Hoseo's last player, though. Tassadar is the final boss.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1046
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33454 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1047
I guess they hope Tassadar flips heads twice against seed/mc :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
gazageiras
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland242 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1048
On September 07 2012 20:59 DJHelium wrote:
Probably better to send out Tassadar vs Seed first, hope to get lucky with BO and then use Seal/Sculp for their last player (depending on who they send out).

PvP still has that coinflip factor, so if Tassadar beat Seed LG-IM probably wouldn't send out MC. Losira, Happy or YoDa is more likely. And Seal/Scul has a better chance of beating those players than they have of beating Seed.

They dont have any more players after this match if they lose.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1049
Poll: One million dollars vs. your life for LG-IM to win. Yes or no?

Take the bet (45)
 
63%

Not taking the bet! (27)
 
38%

72 total votes

Your vote: One million dollars vs. your life for LG-IM to win. Yes or no?

(Vote): Take the bet
(Vote): Not taking the bet!

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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1050
Shame on me for loving this song!

LOVE BITES!
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1051
On September 07 2012 20:58 Waxangel wrote:
well, I guess it makes sense to flip coins... but what do you do even if Tassadar wins ?


It makes no sense at all to send out Tassadar. He is known for his very weak PvP. And he is skillwise much lower than Seal, so his chance to get 2wins in a row is even smaller...
I don't think it makes a difference, but it's the wrong choice either way...
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
September 07 2012 12:00 GMT
#1052
On September 07 2012 21:00 samurai80 wrote:
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-

zergs are currently suffering in korea yo, same as how terran were not send out last patch. Its zergs season to not be send out.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#1053
KingxXx can we have picture of Seed ceremony if he wins this plox
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#1054
On September 07 2012 21:00 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:00 samurai80 wrote:
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-

zergs are currently suffering in korea yo, same as how terran were not send out last patch. Its zergs season to not be send out.


Nothing was patched since the patch that made everyone send Zergs though ;o
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#1055
Did NSH forget what Seal did for them against IM in a previous team league? Seriously, this makes zero sense.
zerino
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark253 Posts
September 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#1056
but if tassadar wins vs seed, what do IM have except another coinflip vs MC and OvertheTopTea
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
September 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#1057
On September 07 2012 20:57 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 20:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:47 forsooth wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 07 2012 20:43 Yello wrote:
Wow. Both players playing so well. I think the map played a huge role here. On another map Jjakji would have probably won. Well, maybe not, Seed is damn good.


I actually think the map kept him alive longer than it should have. Seed just couldn't pick fights because there's no real open field for zealots to get decent surface area.

There's also no open space for Terran armies to get surface area on Protoss armies. Generally speaking chokes and narrow corridors are much more advantageous for Protoss in the matchup because of all of the AOE and how tightly packed Terran armies end up.


I completely disagree (politely, of course!), the ramps allow terran to create concaves at almost every location on Cloud Kingdom. The map isn't narrow, it just has a ton of locations where terran can set up positions protoss shouldn't attack into.
So Seed's zealot heavy army isn't really a good choice for the map imo. Stalker colossus HT would have been better imo because he could've used these locations for himself to snipe units and bait storms.

Well, the ramps work both way, protoss can't attack into them but terran can't either.


Of course ramps work for both players. But for Terran it gets harder the longer the game goes on because when Toss gets the 4 bases up he can freely switch between Colossus and HT and has massive Zealot warpins. I think Toss is favored in the lategame and therefore Cloud Kingdom favors Toss because no player can end the game in the mid-game.
I don't want to take anything away from Seed, he is a great player and he played very well. But Jjakji was on par with him today and on another map this could have gone differently.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
September 07 2012 12:02 GMT
#1058
On September 07 2012 21:01 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:00 ImNightmare wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:00 samurai80 wrote:
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-

zergs are currently suffering in korea yo, same as how terran were not send out last patch. Its zergs season to not be send out.


Nothing was patched since the patch that made everyone send Zergs though ;o

People have figured out the patch? I don't know, seems like koreans know something foreigners don't know when it comes to dealing with zergs.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 07 2012 12:02 GMT
#1059
On September 07 2012 21:02 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:01 Dodgin wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:00 ImNightmare wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:00 samurai80 wrote:
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-

zergs are currently suffering in korea yo, same as how terran were not send out last patch. Its zergs season to not be send out.


Nothing was patched since the patch that made everyone send Zergs though ;o

People have figured out the patch? I don't know, seems like koreans know something foreigners don't know when it comes to dealing with zergs.


Wait, are you trying to tell me that the balance of the races and the metagame can change without a patch?
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
September 07 2012 12:03 GMT
#1060
On September 07 2012 21:02 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 21:02 ImNightmare wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:01 Dodgin wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:00 ImNightmare wrote:
On September 07 2012 21:00 samurai80 wrote:
Well not sending any zerg in team league is quite anti-climatic these days -.-

zergs are currently suffering in korea yo, same as how terran were not send out last patch. Its zergs season to not be send out.


Nothing was patched since the patch that made everyone send Zergs though ;o

People have figured out the patch? I don't know, seems like koreans know something foreigners don't know when it comes to dealing with zergs.


Wait, are you trying to tell me that the balance of the races and the metagame can change without a patch?

? Are you being serious now? Or have you not played bw?
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