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On August 29 2012 20:15 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:12 graNite wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 The KY wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 morlakaix wrote:
im a protoss player and honestly I have no idea how MKP lost this To combat the protoss death ball you spread and arc. MKP kept running into a position where it was impossible to do that. If you try and kite a ball of units against storm, chargelots and colossus you're just gonna fucking die. Marineking lost because he did not harass enough in the midgame and lost 5-6 ghosts for free. He was maxed and didn't attack. On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!! You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss. You can, it's just hard. There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum. No. Chargelot Immortal beats every mech composition. You serious? Proper TvP mech is banshee hellion thor into seige tank battlecruiser ghost raven. I don't see chargelot immortal holding either of those.
I figured you were talking out of your ass, now I know for sure.
Mech doesn't work against a competent Protoss. At all. There's a reason it doesn't exist at the pro level.
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On August 29 2012 20:19 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:18 Herry wrote:On August 29 2012 20:12 graNite wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 The KY wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 morlakaix wrote:
im a protoss player and honestly I have no idea how MKP lost this To combat the protoss death ball you spread and arc. MKP kept running into a position where it was impossible to do that. If you try and kite a ball of units against storm, chargelots and colossus you're just gonna fucking die. Marineking lost because he did not harass enough in the midgame and lost 5-6 ghosts for free. He was maxed and didn't attack. On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!! You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss. You can, it's just hard. There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum. No. Chargelot Immortal beats every mech composition. problem is everyone thinks going mech means fully going mech. I still think adding in a few Blue flame helions to a toss going heavy on zealots and a few tanks to the bio army going into the end game, where you can sack SCV's and add army supply is a good idea. Staying MMM with vikings even with ghosts just cannot kill a full pro level protoss army. you can't upgrade ground, infantry, and air upgrades all at the same time. You know how long it would take +0 hellons to kill +3 zealots? fucking forever
Precisely one hit more than against +0 zealots.
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On August 29 2012 20:16 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:14 Clazziquai10 wrote:On August 29 2012 20:10 The KY wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!! You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss. You can, it's just hard. There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum. Every professional terran disagrees with you. Even Goody? Even Goody gave up using mech vs. P. The only pro I've seen using it recently is Hack and his mech doesn't work against a half decent toss player because it relies on hellions destroying the economy early game.
I've seen another korean terran use mech v P as well. I think it was Alive, Supernova or someone like that. He played fucking brilliantly for 20 mins and then he got caught unsieged once and it was GG.
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On August 29 2012 20:20 Breach_hu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:19 Zambrah wrote:On August 29 2012 20:18 Herry wrote:On August 29 2012 20:12 graNite wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 The KY wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 morlakaix wrote:
im a protoss player and honestly I have no idea how MKP lost this To combat the protoss death ball you spread and arc. MKP kept running into a position where it was impossible to do that. If you try and kite a ball of units against storm, chargelots and colossus you're just gonna fucking die. Marineking lost because he did not harass enough in the midgame and lost 5-6 ghosts for free. He was maxed and didn't attack. On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!! You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss. You can, it's just hard. There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum. No. Chargelot Immortal beats every mech composition. problem is everyone thinks going mech means fully going mech. I still think adding in a few Blue flame helions to a toss going heavy on zealots and a few tanks to the bio army going into the end game, where you can sack SCV's and add army supply is a good idea. Staying MMM with vikings even with ghosts just cannot kill a full pro level protoss army. Taeja has done it. Shit, Taeja has stomped lategame Protoss armies, its all about dem EMPs. taeja always has 15+ ghosts in lategame, dunno why other terrans dont do that. ghosts are good DPS and HP-wise.
He also lets his SCVs die and lean on mules which makes his army bigger than other terrans.
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I'm sad but somewhat unsurprised that MKP lost. If there's ever a player who would crack under pressure, it'd be him.
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time for mvp to show how the real champions of sc2 play
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United States97277 Posts
Was that the biggest blown game since Mvp vs Squirtle?
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Woongjin vs ex-Woongjin. This should be pretty cool to watch 
MKP used to have a problem with choking under nerves, so I guess his game wasn't too surprising. Hopefully, MVP shouldn't be fazed by nerves.
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Mvp gonna roll this nerd into sushi
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rofl analysis.. seems like everyone wants to do what trended from iem. pretty sad this is a bo1 event. bo3 allows for much more diversity and much less stress on the players.
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On August 29 2012 20:19 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:17 Yello wrote:On August 29 2012 20:12 xN.07)MaK wrote:On August 29 2012 20:11 kyllinghest wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
this is fucking ridiculous. couple storms and he overcomes a huge deficit. Thats PvT on big maps for you right there. Was MarineKings fault really, he should have just mega all-inned when he was ahead. If we accept this as true, then this is bad design of a game, where when you are ahead you have to all in as the clock ticks to your death Yes, it is bad design. But this is how the game currently is. There was even this one interview with Blizzard, where they said that Terran was stronger in the early-mid stages of the game and have to finish it there or get a huge advantage. Or in other words: Blizzard said that Terrans need to do allin... No there wasn't. They just said that if both players lean back, Protoss can get an advantage, but Terran has enough tools early on to keep the game even.
I remember them saying it differently. Gonna find that interview and re-watch it. Maybe it was not as harshly formulated as I have it in mind.
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Yeah, it's MVP time. Pretty much the only eSF player I'm rooting for.
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On August 29 2012 20:15 tribulator wrote:
The funnest part about the korean tournaments recently is to read each excuse people come up with for every ESF player loss to a KESPA player.
Loser always plays bad - it's the law of sports, and even an underdog who plays the best game level of his career can beat anybody. Kespa makes SC II pros look bad cuz they outplay em, Rain was close to losing it but he kept coming back with nice storms and mis-storm would had ment end for him.
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sometimes its embarassing being an MKP fan rofl. T_T he just fucks up games that seem impossible to fuck up.
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On August 29 2012 20:18 Herry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:12 graNite wrote:On August 29 2012 20:09 The KY wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 morlakaix wrote:
im a protoss player and honestly I have no idea how MKP lost this To combat the protoss death ball you spread and arc. MKP kept running into a position where it was impossible to do that. If you try and kite a ball of units against storm, chargelots and colossus you're just gonna fucking die. Marineking lost because he did not harass enough in the midgame and lost 5-6 ghosts for free. He was maxed and didn't attack. On August 29 2012 20:09 Qikz wrote:On August 29 2012 20:08 Infernal Knight wrote:On August 29 2012 20:07 Hazzyboy wrote:
U can't play BIO vs BW Protoss!!!!!!!!!!! You can't play mech versus SC2 protoss. You can, it's just hard. There's plenty of ways to do it. Check the strat forum. No. Chargelot Immortal beats every mech composition. problem is everyone thinks going mech means fully going mech. I still think adding in a few Blue flame helions to a toss going heavy on zealots and a few tanks to the bio army going into the end game, where you can sack SCV's and add army supply is a good idea. Staying MMM with vikings even with ghosts just cannot kill a full pro level protoss army.
no. mixing in hellions doesnt work, here is why:
it is harder to produce, because they build from a different facility.
they need extra upgrades. you can not afford to get vehicle upgrades, too.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Oh the absolute joy I feel when Kespa players destroy. Awesome!
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On August 29 2012 20:17 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
i dont like how tvp is centred around either landing the emps or not. its waay too flimsy to have a entire outcome be based off whether emps land or not.
Like PvZ? If the vortex lands or not? Its a joke really...
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you talk about how hard sc2 micro is, ever tried broodwar ...?
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Only thing that can heal my heart broken by MKP, is MVP destroying Flying. It shouldn't be even close.
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EPT
