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On August 27 2012 06:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T same reason zergs refuse to build spines at their expansions, burrow their drones, micro their queens, or make overseers vs 5 cloaked banshees
Because most part of the time, they don't need to
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On August 27 2012 06:29 Andamanen wrote: How realistic would it be to get some (lasting) neurals on the thors, considering the range of both? Are the infestors easily focussed? Quite easy if you get rid of the banshees, the thors clump so you really only need to catch the front 2-3 ones to completely smash the army.
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On August 27 2012 06:28 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:26 Femari wrote:On August 27 2012 06:25 ACrow wrote:On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T Because mech is not very well explored in TvZ, wait one or two months and you'll start seeing it if it actually is worth it. It is pretty well explored, just not v BLs. You only really see mech vs Ultras. How is it well explored it if it is not explored against the most prevalent style? 
Well Mvp is one of the few that played mech way before the current trend. Remember his games vs Leenock at MLG? He has a lot of experience with TvZ mech and this new&improved one is actually viable even when BL's are out, at least it seems that way so far.
Before it was more like push before hive.
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On August 27 2012 06:28 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:10 ThatGuy89 wrote:On August 27 2012 06:06 Dosey wrote:On August 27 2012 06:02 ThatGuy89 wrote:On August 27 2012 05:59 Dosey wrote: Sick format MLG. Anticlimactic Bo3 Semi-Finals... always awesome. some of these players have been playing for hours on end in really competative games. Playing a BO5 in the semis would just be stupid. Its already gonna be late when the finals finish so think about the players and not just the viewers when you post nonsense like this please thanks Hours on end? First has played a total of 2 matches today. TaeJa has played 4. Leenock 2, etc etc.. All of them Bo3s. They play more in a single night of GSL group stages, and these are the quarterfinals + of a "Championship" tournament with multiple qualifiers and important seeding. that was taejas 5th series yes? losira, alive, revival, hero, first and he must have played his first series hours ago (like i said. wasnt commenting on number of games, but length of time) Also, in GSL they know their opponents. EVERY pro has said how tiring the MLG format is even on sunday, even if you getting seeded straight into winners round like first hero violet and leenock playing a BO5 there would be stupid. end of Yep to be honest, the foreigner scene needs some kind of "GSL" tournament" instead of LAN parties.
It's not really feasible outside of online leagues. Players are just all way too spread out.
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On August 27 2012 06:28 c0ldfusion wrote: lol Violet chatting with Leenock on strats.
viOLet beat theSTC 2-1 in group play, which is the only lose from theSTC.
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On August 27 2012 06:29 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:28 MCDayC wrote: Feels like mech has FINALLY arrived in TvZ, I'm suuuper excited to see how it develops from such a solid base. MVP is truly the hero Terran's need, wins a GSL at his lowest and Terrans lowest point, creates a solid mech foundation for future generations. I'm still skeptic about this build's chance vs roach drops.
If you do enough damage with the hellions and banshee's at the start of the game you slow their economy down enough that they can't do a roach drop in a timely manner. If you don't do any damage at the start of the game a roach drop could still be really good.
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On August 27 2012 06:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T same reason zergs refuse to build spines at their expansions, burrow their drones, micro their queens, or make overseers vs 5 cloaked banshees Because they forget to, because T can scan, because he was but just had a few slipups, or because his overseers were already there but were just killed off too early, and because he was just flat-out tired?
Shame, but hope Leenock learned from that game and realized his mistakes. gogo~
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On August 27 2012 06:28 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:26 Femari wrote:On August 27 2012 06:25 ACrow wrote:On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T Because mech is not very well explored in TvZ, wait one or two months and you'll start seeing it if it actually is worth it. It is pretty well explored, just not v BLs. You only really see mech vs Ultras. Making 20 mutas when there are 6-9 thors in the Terran mech ball is not cost effective. If he had spent those resources differently the rest of the game might have gone his way.
Yeah, the game should have ended when STC pushed the fourth. His army was so great against what Leenock had. Unfortunately he trapped all his hellions with his thors and he siege just to late to prevent the banelings to kill all the hellions.
I really love that build, the thor timing is so perfect.
On August 27 2012 06:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T same reason zergs refuse to build spines at their expansions, burrow their drones, micro their queens, or make overseers vs 5 cloaked banshees
Leenock had 9 spines at his fourth and five at his fifth, he also made a lot of overseers but they kinda died to the thors.
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On August 27 2012 06:30 Hier wrote: Wait, why is it extended series, again? because the group stages are double elim, and the group winners (First & Leenock) have still not lost a game coming into these semis, but since there are no more drop-downs, they get this as compensation
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On August 27 2012 06:30 Hier wrote: Wait, why is it extended series, again?
It actually makes a lot of sense in this scenario considering STC is coming from the loser bracket.
They're setting up the tournament this way so the finals won't be anti-climatic, only the semi-finals potentially could.
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On August 27 2012 06:29 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:28 MCDayC wrote: Feels like mech has FINALLY arrived in TvZ, I'm suuuper excited to see how it develops from such a solid base. MVP is truly the hero Terran's need, wins a GSL at his lowest and Terrans lowest point, creates a solid mech foundation for future generations. I'm still skeptic about this build's chance vs roach drops.
I can vouch for that, well executed roach drops at the right timing are really powerful against a powering up mech terran
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On August 27 2012 06:30 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:28 Godwrath wrote:On August 27 2012 06:10 ThatGuy89 wrote:On August 27 2012 06:06 Dosey wrote:On August 27 2012 06:02 ThatGuy89 wrote:On August 27 2012 05:59 Dosey wrote: Sick format MLG. Anticlimactic Bo3 Semi-Finals... always awesome. some of these players have been playing for hours on end in really competative games. Playing a BO5 in the semis would just be stupid. Its already gonna be late when the finals finish so think about the players and not just the viewers when you post nonsense like this please thanks Hours on end? First has played a total of 2 matches today. TaeJa has played 4. Leenock 2, etc etc.. All of them Bo3s. They play more in a single night of GSL group stages, and these are the quarterfinals + of a "Championship" tournament with multiple qualifiers and important seeding. that was taejas 5th series yes? losira, alive, revival, hero, first and he must have played his first series hours ago (like i said. wasnt commenting on number of games, but length of time) Also, in GSL they know their opponents. EVERY pro has said how tiring the MLG format is even on sunday, even if you getting seeded straight into winners round like first hero violet and leenock playing a BO5 there would be stupid. end of Yep to be honest, the foreigner scene needs some kind of "GSL" tournament" instead of LAN parties. Problem is that the foreigner scene is on two different continents, and a lot of different countries. So a GSL style of tourney has to be online, of which there are several (NASL, TSL etc).
Some country or region should start first. Even if it's only with "national" players. If it never starts somewhere, it will never happen.
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does someone know what was the music that ended like one minut ago?
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On August 27 2012 06:30 Hier wrote: Wait, why is extended series, again? Leenock hadn't lost. Still double elim. Lost Bo3, goes into "extended series"
Basically it's double elim and the person only loses once and is out it's not double elim.
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how many games does leenock have to win?
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On August 27 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:28 SupLilSon wrote:On August 27 2012 06:26 Femari wrote:On August 27 2012 06:25 ACrow wrote:On August 27 2012 06:24 n0ise wrote: why don't people upgrade flyer armor vs mass thors... T.T Because mech is not very well explored in TvZ, wait one or two months and you'll start seeing it if it actually is worth it. It is pretty well explored, just not v BLs. You only really see mech vs Ultras. Making 20 mutas when there are 6-9 thors in the Terran mech ball is not cost effective. If he had spent those resources differently the rest of the game might have gone his way. I thought if you magic box them perfectly, mass mutas are actually cost effective against mass Thor when on equal upgrades? They are very cost effective, I'm not sure what he is going on about.
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explored or not, if you're going air vs mass thors, it's -4dmg/shot for each upgrade, not even counting splash... doesn't seem much of a discussion if it's worth it or not :S
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On August 27 2012 06:32 askmc70 wrote: how many games does leenock have to win? first to 4 wins, so 3 more
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Seems like mech is turning into the standard for TvZ, they seem to be having a lot better results with it than with bio. Pretty cool too see though.
Anyways, GO Leenock!!!
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