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common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
August 24 2012 00:30 GMT
#121
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 24 2012 00:31 GMT
#122
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


I'm sure that once players start to complain about the volatility of StarCraft 2, they would change it to Bo3.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 24 2012 01:48 GMT
#123
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 24 2012 02:17 GMT
#124
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Scheduling is also an issue since OSL is broadcasted on live TV and has much longer break between games (interviews, replays, etc). So I don't think they can fit 4 Bo3s (even though SC2 tend to be shorter) in one broadcast.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 24 2012 02:43 GMT
#125
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
August 24 2012 02:51 GMT
#126
how are the maps picked? Would suck to play a bo1 on a map that favors your opponent :s
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Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
August 24 2012 02:56 GMT
#127
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.


Sigh...

Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 24 2012 02:59 GMT
#128
On August 24 2012 11:56 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote:
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.


Sigh...

Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads?


No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
August 24 2012 03:10 GMT
#129
Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good.

I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these.
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Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
August 24 2012 03:16 GMT
#130
On August 24 2012 11:59 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 11:56 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote:
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.


Sigh...

Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads?


No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats.


Discourse entails substance and rational arguments. A previous poster explained the reasoning behind the bo1 format so retorts contingent on "oh I feel like SC2 should showcase the players' talents blah blah because emotions" add nothing to "discussion." There's plenty of room for debate, but that does nothing to add to the veracity of these complaints.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:24:53
August 24 2012 03:23 GMT
#131
If you want to say that AndAgain's opinion is wrong and his/her post is useless that's fine but I have never seen anyone moderated for such a post so I highly doubt it would even be a warning if it were reported.

Discussion is not moderated unless it becomes uncivil, is malicious, or derails from the purpose of the thread. ( in my experience here )
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:31:26
August 24 2012 03:29 GMT
#132
On August 24 2012 12:16 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 11:59 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:56 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote:
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.


Sigh...

Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads?


No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats.


Discourse entails substance and rational arguments. A previous poster explained the reasoning behind the bo1 format so retorts contingent on "oh I feel like SC2 should showcase the players' talents blah blah because emotions" add nothing to "discussion." There's plenty of room for debate, but that does nothing to add to the veracity of these complaints.


As far as I can see, the traditionalist argument for BO1 is the one that's based on emotions. Doing something simply because it's the way it has always been done is irrational.

And you don't think reducing volatility is a legitimate goal? A third of the SC2 discussion on this site is about making the game less volatile. Doing it through game design is one way, doing it through tournament format is another.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
August 24 2012 03:45 GMT
#133
On August 24 2012 12:29 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:16 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:59 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:56 Pasargadae wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote:
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote:
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote:
can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format?


Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released.

There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1.


The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window.

For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows.


Sigh...

Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads?


No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats.


Discourse entails substance and rational arguments. A previous poster explained the reasoning behind the bo1 format so retorts contingent on "oh I feel like SC2 should showcase the players' talents blah blah because emotions" add nothing to "discussion." There's plenty of room for debate, but that does nothing to add to the veracity of these complaints.


As far as I can see, the traditionalist argument for BO1 is the one that's based on emotions. Doing something simply because it's the way it has always been done is irrational.

And you don't think reducing volatility is a legitimate goal? A third of the SC2 discussion on this site is about making the game less volatile. Doing it through game design is one way, doing it through tournament format is another.


No, the reasoning for the bo1 has a rational reason, which has been explained before.

And I agree with you that reducing volatility is a necessary goal. I, too, support the bo3 format. However, the OSL is bo1 and there's no use cluttering LRs with complaints at this point.

I apologize; I'm just being an asshat because of copious amounts of elephant vs gom babble has recently made me extremely irritable.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 24 2012 03:49 GMT
#134
On August 24 2012 12:10 nakedsurfer wrote:
Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good.

I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these.


Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up.
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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
August 24 2012 04:09 GMT
#135
On August 24 2012 12:49 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:10 nakedsurfer wrote:
Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good.

I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these.


Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up.

I'm glad to hear you think that.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 04:36:42
August 24 2012 04:36 GMT
#136
On August 24 2012 12:49 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:10 nakedsurfer wrote:
Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good.

I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these.


Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up.


Agreed. Everyone seems to expect Flash will have an easy time, but with San and MC...well, he's got his work cut out for him.

And San is way too modest.
seffer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States143 Posts
August 24 2012 04:44 GMT
#137
Is there anywhere I can find the VODS for this after it airs?
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 24 2012 05:28 GMT
#138
On August 24 2012 13:36 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:49 Fionn wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:10 nakedsurfer wrote:
Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good.

I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these.


Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up.


Agreed. Everyone seems to expect Flash will have an easy time, but with San and MC...well, he's got his work cut out for him.

And San is way too modest.

...but it's Flash! I can't imagine him not being the favourite in any game he plays.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 24 2012 05:41 GMT
#139
go DRG!
mop the floor with jangbi!
moo...for DRG
F0rlorn
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada74 Posts
August 24 2012 05:42 GMT
#140
Not expecting Baby to win, but i do hope he can somehow pull it off.


All good matches, really excited and cant wait to see a sick intro.
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