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common_cider
342 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote: can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format? I'm sure that once players start to complain about the volatility of StarCraft 2, they would change it to Bo3. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote: can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format? Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released. There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 24 2012 09:30 common_cider wrote: can someone explain the rationale behind bo1 format? Scheduling is also an issue since OSL is broadcasted on live TV and has much longer break between games (interviews, replays, etc). So I don't think they can fit 4 Bo3s (even though SC2 tend to be shorter) in one broadcast. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 24 2012 10:48 Orome wrote: Tradition. OSL has always functioned this way and Bo1s were always considered the norm for group stage games in BW. This Bo3 mania didn't come about until after Sc2 was released. There are good arguments for making it Bo3, but given that this is the way OSL has functioned for more than 10 years, I don't think it's unreasonable to keep it for the first season of Sc2. They can always change it for later seasons if Sc2 should prove too volatile for Bo1. The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window. For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:43 AndAgain wrote: The OSL has also traditionally been a BW tournament. So the whole 'tradition' argument goes out the window. For me, it's all-important for a tournament to have a big emphasis on allowing the best players to prove they're the best. And it's weird that other people don't see it the same way. If I had my way, everybody would be playing as many games as the physical world allows. Sigh... Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:56 Pasargadae wrote: Sigh... Can we moderate nonsensical complaints like these for these threads? No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats. | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these. | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:59 Dodgin wrote: No we cannot moderate civil discussion of tournament formats. Discourse entails substance and rational arguments. A previous poster explained the reasoning behind the bo1 format so retorts contingent on "oh I feel like SC2 should showcase the players' talents blah blah because emotions" add nothing to "discussion." There's plenty of room for debate, but that does nothing to add to the veracity of these complaints. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Discussion is not moderated unless it becomes uncivil, is malicious, or derails from the purpose of the thread. ( in my experience here ) | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:16 Pasargadae wrote: Discourse entails substance and rational arguments. A previous poster explained the reasoning behind the bo1 format so retorts contingent on "oh I feel like SC2 should showcase the players' talents blah blah because emotions" add nothing to "discussion." There's plenty of room for debate, but that does nothing to add to the veracity of these complaints. As far as I can see, the traditionalist argument for BO1 is the one that's based on emotions. Doing something simply because it's the way it has always been done is irrational. And you don't think reducing volatility is a legitimate goal? A third of the SC2 discussion on this site is about making the game less volatile. Doing it through game design is one way, doing it through tournament format is another. | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:29 AndAgain wrote: As far as I can see, the traditionalist argument for BO1 is the one that's based on emotions. Doing something simply because it's the way it has always been done is irrational. And you don't think reducing volatility is a legitimate goal? A third of the SC2 discussion on this site is about making the game less volatile. Doing it through game design is one way, doing it through tournament format is another. No, the reasoning for the bo1 has a rational reason, which has been explained before. And I agree with you that reducing volatility is a necessary goal. I, too, support the bo3 format. However, the OSL is bo1 and there's no use cluttering LRs with complaints at this point. I apologize; I'm just being an asshat because of copious amounts of elephant vs gom babble has recently made me extremely irritable. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:10 nakedsurfer wrote: Everyone keeps underminding San. He may not be the best player but on his good days, he's pretty fucking good. I don't think a kespa player will win in any of these. Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up. | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:49 Fionn wrote: Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up. I'm glad to hear you think that. | ||
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Pasargadae
Korea (South)173 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:49 Fionn wrote: Thing is, San might be one of the best Protoss in the world. It's silly to sit back and act like he isn't any good. Genius, Mvp and others all talk about how great of a player he is. He's like Coca and just chokes in the Code A qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if he made it to the Ro8 or up. Agreed. Everyone seems to expect Flash will have an easy time, but with San and MC...well, he's got his work cut out for him. And San is way too modest. | ||
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seffer
United States143 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:36 Pasargadae wrote: Agreed. Everyone seems to expect Flash will have an easy time, but with San and MC...well, he's got his work cut out for him. And San is way too modest. ...but it's Flash! I can't imagine him not being the favourite in any game he plays. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
mop the floor with jangbi! | ||
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F0rlorn
Canada74 Posts
All good matches, really excited and cant wait to see a sick intro. | ||
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