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tzui
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany60 Posts
August 19 2012 20:55 GMT
#441
like a noob

User was warned for this post
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 19 2012 20:55 GMT
#442
yay, bit sloppy from Keen but it did the business.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
August 19 2012 20:55 GMT
#443
On August 20 2012 05:55 Dinotramp wrote:
Bloody Scottish

lol cracks me up every time
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 20:58:03
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#444
On August 20 2012 05:49 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 05:46 imallinson wrote:
(T)KeeN vs. (Z)JonnyREcco Game 2

On Antiga Shipyard
KeeN spawns 2
JonnyREcco spawns 8

2:00
JR going hatch first. Keen going for gas after his rax.

3:30
Keen starts his factory and going for hellions. JR not getting gas going for queens and a spine.

5:00
Keen builds a cc at his natural. Building a tech lab on his rax.

6:40
JR stops the hellions going into his main but attacks the hellions with his drones and loses 10 drones.

8:00
Keen runs more hellions in and gets more drone kills now up to 17. JR still doesn't have ling speed. Keen getting his third cc.

9:00
JR moving across the map with slow roaches. Keen scouts it and has a bunker and tank at his front.

10:00
JR takes his third and going double upgrades and finally starts ling speed. Keen getting a second engie bay.

11:30
Keen moving out with marines and tanks. Takes down the rocks to the third.


12:30
Keen sieges up the third but JR cleans it up with an attack from both sides.

13:00
Keen also dropped the main and got more drone kills. JR is getting his infestation pit.

14:20
Keen starts his fourth cc JR taking down the rocks to his fourth.

16:00
Keen gets a cancel on the fourth while taking his own fourth with a planetary in the centre.


17:00
Keen clears the creep from the centre while JR takes his fourth again. JR has hive but his spire is late.

18:30
Keen is sieged in the middle and cancels the fourth again.

19:30
Keen moves into the third. JR gets an amazing fungal but doesn't have units to back it up.

20:00
Keen kills the third, JR takes a base in the bottom right main.

21:30
Keen kills the third and fourth.

22:00
Keen tries to tank drop in JR's main which is cleaned up by BLs.

23:00
Keen has 5 bases to JR's 2.

24:00
JR moves his army into the centre and cleans up Keens army.

25:00
JR doesn't have much of an army left and still has only two bases and ggs.

Keen wins
Keen 1-1 JonnyRecco


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templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#445
Good thing Keen gave himself such a huge lead. He tried his hardest to throw it there.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#446
Lol antiga
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#447
On August 20 2012 05:55 Dinotramp wrote:
Bloody Scottish

really can't accomplish anything can they?
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#448
On August 20 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
yay, bit sloppy from Keen but it did the business.

bit sloppy is being nice.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#449
On August 20 2012 05:50 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 05:49 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:44 Hypemeup wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:43 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:37 Hypemeup wrote:
Antiga shipyard.

Oh boy I wonder if we will see a all-in from the zerg!


Anyone who thinks this is T-favored is misinformed.


Yeah, but zergs do all-in a shit-ton on this map. Just like protoss players love blink all-ins vs T on this map as well.


Ah, I misinterpreted you! I have seen several posters say its impossible for Zerg. My apologies.


It's hard for Zerg lategame because it's difficult (for every race) to take a 4th base, but Zerg relies on a 4th base more than T or P.

My personal theory is that Zergs bitch about it because it's a map with almost a 50/50 win split and they're used to a 60/40 in their favour.

:D
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46130 Posts
August 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#450
On August 20 2012 05:54 Leonite7 wrote:
Johnny Going Full Scottish!


On August 20 2012 05:55 Dinotramp wrote:
Bloody Scottish


Hahahaha

1-1 Keen gogogo!
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Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
August 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#451
Also a disappointing second game my JR. Too indecisive when engaging tanks, missed a couple good chances when they were unsieged. Also his infestors were nowhere to be seen for some time.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
August 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#452
On August 20 2012 05:56 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 05:50 Sp00ly wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:49 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:44 Hypemeup wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:43 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:37 Hypemeup wrote:
Antiga shipyard.

Oh boy I wonder if we will see a all-in from the zerg!


Anyone who thinks this is T-favored is misinformed.


Yeah, but zergs do all-in a shit-ton on this map. Just like protoss players love blink all-ins vs T on this map as well.


Ah, I misinterpreted you! I have seen several posters say its impossible for Zerg. My apologies.


It's hard for Zerg lategame because it's difficult (for every race) to take a 4th base, but Zerg relies on a 4th base more than T or P.

My personal theory is that Zergs bitch about it because it's a map with almost a 50/50 win split and they're used to a 60/40 in their favour.

:D


Hey-oooo ~~~~
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
August 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#453
On August 20 2012 05:53 blade55555 wrote:
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On August 20 2012 05:52 Epoxide wrote:
I really like how tank heavy Keens army is when there are no mutas out


I have been seeing lots of terrans to start doing this. It's really strong vs the ling/infestor into ultra style, and since most zergs go ultra first it's a kind of "counter" so to speak which means ultra's won't be as good when they come out and have 12 tanks with bio firing at them .


What kind of Zerg would notice that the Terran was tank heavy and not just go BL instead though?
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#454
Not impress by Keen TvZ so far.
The map halped him a lot here. He was basicly doing the 2/2 timing as a " must win now" thing, even with more bases behind it
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
August 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#455
It was over when siege tanks sieged up in the center of Antiga - as it always is on that map against Zerg. Recco shouldn't have given up the middle so easily, because he could have won that match without a problem due to the huge delay on Keen's upgrades.
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Dzerzhinsky
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland327 Posts
August 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#456
On August 20 2012 05:50 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 05:49 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:44 Hypemeup wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:43 justinpal wrote:
On August 20 2012 05:37 Hypemeup wrote:
Antiga shipyard.

Oh boy I wonder if we will see a all-in from the zerg!


Anyone who thinks this is T-favored is misinformed.


Yeah, but zergs do all-in a shit-ton on this map. Just like protoss players love blink all-ins vs T on this map as well.


Ah, I misinterpreted you! I have seen several posters say its impossible for Zerg. My apologies.


It's hard for Zerg lategame because it's difficult (for every race) to take a 4th base, but Zerg relies on a 4th base more than T or P.

I think casters really overplay how 'Terran favoured' Antiga is. Artosis was the first one I'd ever heard say it's hard for all races to take a 4th, rather than just trot out the old cliché that it's hard for Zerg. In fact I almost always see Zerg end up with a saturated 4th while I almost never see Terran succeed in taking and holding one. The middle is just so open that Terran's find it very hard to hold vs a solid Zerg who will generally be well onto Hive tech and 3/3 off of 3 bases.

If the Terran does succeed in holding a 4th for a significant period of time it's Terran's game to lose, since this necessarily means that they have secured the middle (or the fourth would be mauled by Broods or Fungals) and can send out squads to deny expansions elsewhere from this position. It just doesn't seem to happen as often as casters implicitly claim.

Also, Recco still sending his entire 200/200 army to deal with every 8 Marine drop that appears on the map? It really feels like a top level Terran would be exploiting this to gain huge positional advantages.
"All science would be superfluous if the outward appearance and the essence of things coincided directly."
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#457
On August 20 2012 05:57 Noocta wrote:
Not impress by Keen TvZ so far.
The map halped him a lot here. He was basicly doing the 2/2 timing as a " must win now" thing, even with more bases behind it

How does a 50% winrate map help you win?
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KamikazeDurrrp
Profile Joined January 2012
United States95 Posts
August 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#458
I love how the same zergs that consider TvZ to be balanced according to Korean winrates also consider Antiga Shipyards to be extremely terran favored, even though the statistics clearly show otherwise
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#459
no boring 1rax > fe ya!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#460
On August 20 2012 05:59 KamikazeDurrrp wrote:
I love how the same zergs that consider TvZ to be balanced according to Korean winrates also consider Antiga Shipyards to be extremely terran favored, even though the statistics clearly show otherwise

no! you stop right there! get that logic outta here.
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