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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
Can't watch the games though. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:46 BlazeFury01 wrote: So who all is playing tomorrow? Can somebody please link me? I am eager to kn ow =P http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339146¤tpage=5#95 Leenock is playing tomorrow~ Dwbouttherest. Hero v Soulkey should be good though. I just don't have a care either way for them. | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
If you normally play really well, but a certain opponent consistently makes you nervous, your losses to that opponent still count! It's a part of the game. I'm pretty sure that during Federer's complete dominance in the tennis world, part of the reason that he had such an insane record was the invincibility factor that people felt even before starting the first point of the match. They knew he was a beast, and it made them crumble under pressure. Nowadays, even though Federer is still quite good, he can be beaten much more easily. Sure, he's gotten older, but I think part of the reason is also that he lost some of that intimidation factor that naturally made people play worse against him. In the same way that you can't take away from Federer's easy straight-set wins due to his opponents playing badly, you can't really take away from the kespa players' wins just because the gom players played badly. If they have an intimidation factor that makes the gom players scared of them, then it's just something that must be factored into the equation! | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:28 sitromit wrote: Did you even watch the game? Jaedong had a million spines in his main already, the same spines he used to defend his expansions later. Genius couldn't have moved in, because he had lost his only siege units, he didn't have any Colossi left, and Jaedong was destroying his bases and all his production if he didn't go back. I can ask the same question to you, because he started building them when Genius arrived in his 3rd and they were barely ready in time, when Genius tried to walk up the ramp. Pls check the VOD if you don't believe me  | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 16 2012 20:24 Probe1 wrote: We can't blame it on Diablo 3 like before, that's for sure. I'm not sure how to take that post haha. We never had to blame anything "before", because the players didn't sucked in general. Or you talk about dota 2 where yes, diablo 3 had a big impact on average performance xD I mean take Reality vs Happy. One year ago during gomTvT a player who would float 800 gas 5mn into the game would be punished so hard. Or a player who get supply blocked for 1 minute. I don't even remember last time a player got supply blocked. | ||
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:53 redemption wrote: Although I can sort of understand people saying that the kespa players' wins "don't count" because the gom players didn't play their best due to their nerves and intimidation factor, people have to realize that nerves and intimidation due to an opponent's reputation is actually a part of ANY competition. If you normally play really well, but a certain opponent consistently makes you nervous, your losses to that opponent still count! It's a part of the game. I'm pretty sure that during Federer's complete dominance in the tennis world, part of the reason that he had such an insane record was the invincibility factor that people felt even before starting the first point of the match. They knew he was a beast, and it made them crumble under pressure. Nowadays, even though Federer is still quite good, he can be beaten much more easily. Sure, he's gotten older, but I think part of the reason is also that he lost some of that intimidation factor that naturally made people play worse against him. In the same way that you can't take away from Federer's easy straight-set wins due to his opponents playing badly, you can't really take away from the kespa players' wins just because the gom players played badly. If they have an intimidation factor that makes the gom players scared of them, then it's just something that must be factored into the equation! Using one of the the best sportsmen of all time as comparison data feels somewhat misplaced here, lol :p And well, not to start debating about tennis, but Federer hasn't lost his intimidation factor, it's just that the defensive baseline play that he's always hated has, in the past ten years, slowly become a standard. Didn't prevent him from winning this year's Wimbledon, scoring silver at the Olympics and coming back to world no.1 ATP ranking though. | ||
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MosART
United States1899 Posts
Go 8th Team JD! | ||
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Dwelf
Netherlands365 Posts
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:28 Trizz wrote: gumiho and genius b teamers lel whatever makes you sleep at night DRG b-teamer too by his logic, he obviously isn't the brightest kid on his block | ||
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skypacer
China174 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:29 FakeDeath wrote: Gumiho was sitting on 3 bases but had 5 OCs the whole time. Gumiho lack of scouting on the BLs timing is just bad play on his part. About 15 mins, he should have started producing vikings and throw down 2 starports which he didn't. Effort outplayed Gumiho. Effort was on 5 bases but got denied and had 4 bases to 4 bases. Gumiho was never ahead in upgrades only in +1/+2/+3 attack but Effort was ahead in armor upgrades. Supply? Effort was saving his bank for Bls.That why his supply seem lowered. OB missed a lot of zergling worker raids when Gumiho seiged Effort's base (while China's commentator found that). The fact is that Gumiho has only 1 base mining with very poor worker count in late game. Gumiho didn't conter BL properly becasue he has not enough resources to mass vikings. Gumiho had not any advantage when Effort's broodlord morhping. The only way he could win the game at that situation is taking advantage of Zerg's immobility and kill all Efforts' buildings. | ||
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ydeer1993
United Kingdom569 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On August 16 2012 23:02 ydeer1993 wrote: so much hate in here? how can these gom players be classed as b teamers? gumiho,happy and genius are all capable of code S and tails is definately code A level, good victory for kespa players today, hope more than 1 make it into the asian finals, be good to see how they perform there and maybe even at the world championship! Nobody who's opinion is worth a damn says that they are B-teamers. Just ignore the stupidity. I know it's hard as it is teeming out of this thread. | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
and i think genius is a very good player - he's not solid but can play very intelligently. a master strategist. | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On August 16 2012 23:00 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: Using one of the the best sportsmen of all time as comparison data feels somewhat misplaced here, lol :p And well, not to start debating about tennis, but Federer hasn't lost his intimidation factor, it's just that the defensive baseline play that he's always hated has, in the past ten years, slowly become a standard. Didn't prevent him from winning this year's Wimbledon, scoring silver at the Olympics and coming back to world no.1 ATP ranking though. Yeah, I know, but it's true for other sports too. And even in poker.... the intimidation factor changes everything. Phil Ivey can play a certain way because everyone is scared of fuck of him. If I went out there and tried the same things he did (assuming I could even play at his stakes), I'm sure people would respond very differently. Who you are is definitely a part of the equation, not just your objective skills and performance. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:48 letian wrote: Imagine yourself playing a game against a guy who literally was a fucking machine for several years. His mechanics thinking and general mentality is miles better than yours and you are damn well aware of that. In fact his victories over several years, that inspired thousands of players and spawned so many fans, cannot be compared to your puny achievements. The only thing you have to offer is that you are better at this particular game and your know that not for long. They are kids after all, nothing to be ashamed of. Poor Jaedong. o.o Btw, anyone who thinks that this week heralds the domination of the elephants, there is no solid reason for why KeSPA players can lose horribly for weeks on end and suddenly turn it around like this. Maybe that would be the case for one or two players, but it makes no sense that suddenly all of them start winning because they have increased in skill. In that case we would see a different pattern, where in the timespan of a few months more and more players would start losing to KeSPA players, not just like this where within a week there is complete domination. More than likely it's a few bad results that lead to insane pressure on GOM players, who then proceed to play horribly. Because Effort played so horribly against Hero just last week, don't tell me he's code S quality now. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On August 16 2012 22:53 TeeTS wrote: I can ask the same question to you, because he started building them when Genius arrived in his 3rd and they were barely ready in time, when Genius tried to walk up the ramp. Pls check the VOD if you don't believe me The spines actually finished in the nick of time. Three were already done when Genius was on the ramp, with the rest seconds from finishing. Moving up there would have been a very poor choice. | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
(conspiracy incoming) Must be good viewer count wise Wonder what was that genius-cella talk about... like : - leave a hole in teh wall! ;P On a serious note though, we've seen some good games today. Elephants are surely improving fast! | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 16 2012 00:22 eviltomahawk wrote: My thoughts: Yay KeSPA players! No, my Liquibet! Deja vu. | ||
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