EPT[TSL4] Ro16 Day 2 (Sunday) - Page 50
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:33 RogerChillingworth wrote: all hail the protoss a-move Idd, Zerg is such a micro intensive race in comparison. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Herry
England681 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
Still really smart of Creator to pull something like this, especially after his game one build. @hifriend: the whole point of stargate openings is to keep any overlords on the other side of the map. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:34 dani` wrote: Funny Chill is like "how are you supposed to know this is coming", when he didn't even know what was going on when observing the game xD There was a time when I though DJWheat was genuinely improving at casting. I was at least hoping for one of the casters to be decent and sadly this is not the case. Anyone that is above low diamond is better off muting the cast. User was warned for this post | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13430 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:33 RogerChillingworth wrote: all hail the protoss a-move All hail the zerg float gas and try to build X army and getting hit at a timing before your preparation kicks in and you can build that army. It was creator playing well, he had a good timing, he hit it and he tricked Coca with the timing. It was good play, not A move  | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:35 hifriend wrote: how about just having a glance over the main with an overseer at a very standard time? lol.. euhhmmm the first voidray and phoenix cleaned out all the ovie's!!! Thats the whole point of the build! Clear out everything and deny scouting but let them scout the 3rd!!! | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:36 Teoita wrote: I feel like a huge hint of that build is the phoenix count, if you are doing any kind of stargate into third build you want at least 2 phoenixes, but realistically up to 4-5. Still really smart of Creator to pull something like this, especially after his game one build. @hifriend: the whole point of stargate openings is to keep any overlords on the other side of the map. Wow very nice thinking bro! I cant think a stargate opening with just 1 void and 1 phoenix! zerg would have to be realy good at mindgames | ||
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:36 Herry wrote: Not a bad move by Creator...still hope Coca comes back and crushes but its looking pretty unlikely. I liquidbet coca, i feel like hes at least equal/a bit better than creator mechanically. But there's no denying creator had his shit worked out for this game. Reminding me of MMA a few seasons back, where he could sruch anyone as long as he had a plan for any situation. Creator has the plans, coca is trying to deal with them, and we are seeing just how that works out | ||
Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:33 MCDayC wrote: No matter what he does it seems so damn solid, its like impossible to gimmick a win from him, you just have to out muscle him and beat him strait up, which Coca unfortunately can't seem to do. Like, three to six months ago I would have put money on Coca and players of similar stature would be able to outmicro and outcontrol Creator in the late game. Approaching the end of his PvT hype train, he was definitely looking superb in upgrade timings and unit compositions, but would suffer losses from not defending harass tactics and especially dedicated two or three pronged attacks on his bases. I am not sure that this is still the case in him PvT, but his PvZ just looks dominant. It feels...I guess the term that comes to mind is 'Stephano'esque', where he looks in control and is able to always dictate the tempo of the game. I still have a suspicion that he might be systemically weaker to the same things that started to tear apart his stellar PvT, but I have no real evidence of this. Of course, Curious demonstrated in GSL that it is definitely viable to outmuscle Creator in this matchup. But it is not easy to replicate just how damn solid Curious looks when he is playing well and not somehow getting eliminated from yet another Code S group stage. | ||
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kaokentake
383 Posts
if you attack with your 200food of roaches and he went pheonix, rape him. if you attack and its plenty voidrays, retreat, keepup queen production, upgrade overlord speed and with proper micro you can move your swarm of overlords to poop creep in massive chunks and use the extra queens to drop tumors and it only takes 2minutes max to make a creep highway from your main to his base, attack with mass roach/queen and own him before he can get collossi (and mass roach/queen beats 1-2 collossi anyway). even if the toss holds hes on 2base your on 5base | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:40 Porcelina wrote: Like, three to six months ago I would have put money on Coca and players of similar stature would be able to outmicro and outcontrol Creator in the late game. Approaching the end of his PvT hype train, he was definitely looking superb in upgrade timings and unit compositions, but would suffer losses from not defending harass tactics and especially dedicated two or three pronged attacks on his bases. I am not sure that this is still the case in him PvT, but his PvZ just looks dominant. It feels...I guess the term that comes to mind is 'Stephano'esque', where he looks in control and is able to always dictate the tempo of the game. I still have a suspicion that he might be systemically weaker to the same things that started to tear apart his stellar PvT, but I have no real evidence of this. Of course, Curious demonstrated in GSL that it is definitely viable to outmuscle Creator in this matchup. But it is not easy to replicate just how damn solid Curious looks when he is playing well and not somehow getting eliminated from yet another Code S group stage. I think he still struggles a little with multipronged attacks in PvT. When Prime played against Startale in this season of IPLTAC Bomber just completely tore creator apart with drop in the main and dual pronged attack at the natural and third on TDA. Creator's multitasking just couldnt keep up and he crumbled under the pressure. That was like a month ago though so he might have worked on it more since then | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:41 kaokentake wrote: the counter to that is just always doing a stephano 12minute roach max. dont get the spores when you scout stargate just keep massing queens. stephano 12 minute max gets 3quens usually, getting about 7 by 12 minutes seems to be a safe bet against all stargate openers. if you just keep making queens 600 minerals = 4 extra queens = 8 less roaches in the max who cares. if you attack with your 200food of roaches and he went pheonix, rape him. if you attack and its plenty voidrays, retreat, keepup queen production, upgrade overlord speed and with proper micro you can move your swarm of overlords to poop creep in massive chunks and use the extra queens to drop tumors and it only takes 2minutes max to make a creep highway from your main to his base, attack with mass roach/queen and own him before he can get collossi (and mass roach/queen beats 1-2 collossi anyway). even if the toss holds hes on 2base your on 5base sounds easy enough I suppose | ||
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kaokentake
383 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:43 Probe1 wrote: Please supply replays of someone making a creep highway all the way across Metropolis in 2 minutes flat against a progamer in a tournament. its easy to do if you got 4queens with 200energy and 10 speed overlords if creator did that against stephano thats exactly what stephano would do well actually, stephano would probably just go 12 minute roachmax + queen, and be defensive and take 5bases while using the roaches to deny the protosses third forever. then its 2base toss vs 5base zerg and stephano wins however if you wanted to end the game quickly you could just make a creep highway | ||
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ContrailNZ
New Zealand306 Posts
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:43 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think he still struggles a little with multipronged attacks in PvT. When Prime played against Startale in this season of IPLTAC Bomber just completely tore creator apart with drop in the main and dual pronged attack at the natural and third on TDA. Creator's multitasking just couldnt keep up and he crumbled under the pressure. That was like a month ago though so he might have worked on it more since then Oh, I had forgotten about that game, even though I saw it play. In other news. Rogue Hydras, rogue Hydras! | ||
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