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On August 13 2012 06:22 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:19 FrogOfWar wrote:On August 13 2012 06:18 GiftPflanZe wrote:
looks like every zvp I play haha.I always die to such a push Same here. I feel like that timing between the hive finishing and broods coming out is the strongest time to hit zergs as P right now. The only top level games where ive seen it held so far is when the P messed something up, well see zergs figure it out soon.
when people hold it, it's because they disable all the tech units, hurt everything, and remax with 120 2/2 adrenal zerglings and clean up shop, then morph the broodlords.
on ladder I almost always counterdrop the toss with zerglings at the same time. I may have to sac one of my bases while holding but I kill their main nexus (not important for minerals, but still important for gas) and it's still okay.
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On August 13 2012 06:22 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:20 turdburgler wrote:
i feel like z shouldnt be maxing at the same time as p in a game like that, so you have to assume the air harras paid off. but since we only saw 3 drones die and that was by accident that they flew into the camera i cant say anything for sure.... ;/ Proxy hatch set coca back Hydras set coca further back
proxy hatch wasnt that bad because creator decided to attack it with 4 drones for a full minute, thats 200 minerals lost in mining. hydras suck but unless the air did nothing z should be miles ahead.
but since the observing was just staring at the bases not the air units, we have no idea what happened ;D
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On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually.
? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro?
The best TvZ game post 1.4.4 (as far as skill is involved, the best TvZ game either) was played on this map, MMA had an awesome TvZ vs Violet, Seed/Symbol was great too, aLive/Parting was definitely a good game, Byun/Keen was really hilarious and a great show fro Byun's skills and understanding of TvT and so on..
people remind metro because after taking a nap they saw battlecruisers and carrier that's all
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Doing nothing for 15 minutes.
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Doing nothing for 15 minutes while consuming potato salad.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Hmm.
I love the HerO adaptation of going Sentry drop in these positions, where you get the Stargate to clear out the Overlords before going in.
Want to see you version of this Creator.
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United States97276 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:25 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually. ? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro?
we clearly need to bring back the map Calm Before the Storm
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On August 13 2012 06:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:25 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually. ? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro? we clearly need to bring back the map Calm Before the Storm
<3 even the epic beastyqt game started with ridiculous openings which led to 0 action before the potatos were eaten (CC/rax/CC)
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On August 13 2012 06:22 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:19 FrogOfWar wrote:On August 13 2012 06:18 GiftPflanZe wrote:
looks like every zvp I play haha.I always die to such a push Same here. I feel like that timing between the hive finishing and broods coming out is the strongest time to hit zergs as P right now. The only top level games where ive seen it held so far is when the P messed something up, well see zergs figure it out soon.
ISnt that why Symbol would go ultra/infestor/bane?
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Canada13407 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:25 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually. ? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro?
Metropolis is much more Z favoured than Whirlwind. The way whirlwind works, you can circumvent the Broodlord death ball. You can't do that on metropolis.
On met you can attack into broods or sit back, in whirlwind you can actually walk around the slow army and do some damage.
So passive happens on met more than whilr which means whirl is more interesting. But its huge so before lategame its worse but its better lategame.
This is where map making is at right now its either monstrous but built to let you circumvent an army and counter, or massive and single attack lane and impossible to counter. At least one of them has more interesting lategame than the other 
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On August 13 2012 06:25 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually. ? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro? The best TvZ game post 1.4.4 (as far as skill is involved, the best TvZ game either) was played on this map, MMA had an awesome TvZ vs Violet, Seed/Symbol was great too, aLive/Parting was definitely a good game, Byun/Keen was really hilarious and a great show fro Byun's skills and understanding of TvT and so on.. people remind metro because after taking a nap they saw battlecruisers and carrier that's all
Metro has made for a lot of interesting games because of how different it is. Sculp vs Symbol comes to mind, actually a lot of Symbol games come to mind...but yeah i kinda like the map because of how different it is. It's like Atlantis only less shitty. Whirlwind is alright but not That great.
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Really bad play by Coca, not getting infestors until way too late.
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I knew Creator would smash Coca. Didn't expect it to be this easy though o_o
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This is just so brutal. 
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On August 13 2012 06:29 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 06:25 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:23 Fragile51 wrote:On August 13 2012 06:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 13 2012 06:13 Gamegene wrote:On August 13 2012 06:12 sAsImre wrote:
this 6maps mappool is so retarded given that some maps (hello metropolis) are heavily imbalanced... give us 6 maps that aren't... LOL remove metro, add whirwlind, at least there are good games on this map compared to the stalemates on metro, add another map instead of Antiga, you can take a risk and try a map which hasn't be that much used at pro lvl ie Sanshorn I think Whirlwind makes for way less exciting games then metro does actually. ? there is something worst than doing nothing for 10min when a Z is involved on metro? Metropolis is much more Z favoured than Whirlwind. The way whirlwind works, you can circumvent the Broodlord death ball. You can't do that on metropolis. On met you can attack into broods or sit back, in whirlwind you can actually walk around the slow army and do some damage. So passive happens on met more than whilr which means whirl is more interesting. But its huge so before lategame its worse but its better lategame. This is where map making is at right now its either monstrous but built to let you circumvent an army and counter, or massive and single attack lane and impossible to counter. At least one of them has more interesting lategame than the other
Whirlind has a passive early if you get cross pos, still in some mu it's still really dynamic (TvT) and there is stuff happening in the midgame if the players are willing too but you can go for a turtle build on CK too if you want, its more a strategic choice than anything.
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Canada13407 Posts
I love seeing stargate builds.
So nice.
I need to learn to use them well they seem strong and solid most of the time as long as you dont play vs stephano.
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That was a really cool build! Nice to see something that's not just the cookie cutter style of PvZ.
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