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ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
August 13 2012 11:44 GMT
#841
Seed vs Polt next round, I have a feeling those are going to be some weird matches, both players can macro and play the late game but both players have some seriously dirty all-ins they can employ as well. Do the maps change from round to round?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 13 2012 11:45 GMT
#842
On August 13 2012 20:44 ladyumbra wrote:
Seed vs Polt next round, I have a feeling those are going to be some weird matches, both players can macro and play the late game but both players have some seriously dirty all-ins they can employ as well. Do the maps change from round to round?

same map pool of seven maps, but players veto two each.


Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Entombed Valley
Daybreak
Ohana
Shakuras Plateau
Tal'Darim Altar
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 13 2012 11:50 GMT
#843
SEEEEEEEEED YES!!! CRUSH DEM NERDS even tho ur jetlagged.
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 13 2012 11:50 GMT
#844
Seed continuing to prove he isn't just another Jjakji!
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 13 2012 11:50 GMT
#845
On August 13 2012 20:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seed continuing to prove he isn't just another Jjakji!

jjakji is still really damn good haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 13 2012 11:54 GMT
#846
On August 13 2012 20:45 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 20:44 ladyumbra wrote:
Seed vs Polt next round, I have a feeling those are going to be some weird matches, both players can macro and play the late game but both players have some seriously dirty all-ins they can employ as well. Do the maps change from round to round?

same map pool of seven maps, but players veto two each.


Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Entombed Valley
Daybreak
Ohana
Shakuras Plateau
Tal'Darim Altar


Hm, I want to see Ohana, Daybreak and Cloud Kingdom. The maps with the most interesting gameplay of those. Entombed and Antiga mostly play out more boring, those maps are predictable. Shakuras is a kinda bad map and Taldarim had its fun time but that was a year ago.
+ Show Spoiler [Rant on maps] +

Those maps need to go soon. We need new awesome stuff like the anniversary maps of the ESV team. Those would play out differently from everything we have now and would change the game. Blizzard needs to change their map-pool a lot. It's getting boring. And we need more cool features on the maps.
Entombed for example has no special, interesting features whatsoever. 3 easy to take bases, only 2 ramps. Wide-open middle with a watchtower. And then those useless high-ground expansions behind rocks and the little ways behind them which don't get used at all. Just a boring map.
Just my opinion of course. /rant
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 13 2012 12:07 GMT
#847
On August 13 2012 20:27 Kreb wrote:
The trend in LR thread to blame every loss for anyone whos been travelling lately on jetlag is getting quite annoying.

- Not everyone has a hard time adjusting to different timezones.
- Jetlagged doesnt automaticly mean tired. Jetlag might cause tiredness at hours you're normally awake becaues your body watch says something different than the clock. But it doesnt mean you're tired 24h per day. You can be as alert as ever even if your body watch isnt in sync with the clock.
- A lot of people here really arent good enough to spot the difference between "normal" level of play for a player and "slightly lower" level of play. And even if you can spot the difference, you cannot under any circumstances know its because of tiredness and not something else.
- Hell, sometimes travelling players even gets non-mistakes called mistakes and blamed on tiredness, even though given the information the actions werent mistakes at all. And opponents playing awesome doesnt get recognized at all.
- Funnily enough, when 10 or 20 people travel to an events in EU/NA just for a weekends and play, their losses almost never gets blamed on jetlag (see Korean losses at DH Summer for example) but when its one big game and not a whole tourny, like in GSL, jetlag is suddenly affecting everyone and is to be blamed for all losses.
- How come almost every Korean seem to be travelling foreign events and doing well there!? WHY NO JETLAG!?

So please, stop blaming everything on jetlag. Even if it actually does play a role (which it does a lot less than people claim), you have no idea it does.


Well, I think case was a bit different from jetlag. Seed just got off a 10+ hour flight 3 hours ago (and had to spend 1 of those on a train). It is true that some people can sleep well on flight and are not as affected, but you could tell he was pretty tired.

As for poor play, there can be many reasons and we can never be certain of which one it is or it might be a combination. But I don't think anyone is implying that the person with jetlag/feeling tired will lose for sure. But to claim that Seed wasn't at a disadvantage because of the scheduling would be underestimating the affects. And when players of the same levels play, this disadvantage could be the difference maker.

As for you DH Summer and foreign tournaments example, most players arrive the day before the tournament starts to get adjusted.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 13 2012 12:10 GMT
#848
On August 13 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 20:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Seed continuing to prove he isn't just another Jjakji!

jjakji is still really damn good haha


But never as good as he was that one season. =(

Still one of the best TvP'ers around, but his TvZ is nothing in comparison to the shining example he gave us in november.

Still, good to see champions being champions. Typically GSL champions win then lose everything immediately after haha
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
August 13 2012 12:13 GMT
#849
On August 13 2012 20:45 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 20:44 ladyumbra wrote:
Seed vs Polt next round, I have a feeling those are going to be some weird matches, both players can macro and play the late game but both players have some seriously dirty all-ins they can employ as well. Do the maps change from round to round?

same map pool of seven maps, but players veto two each.


Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Entombed Valley
Daybreak
Ohana
Shakuras Plateau
Tal'Darim Altar


Seeds best PvT map is apparently Antiga while his worst is Daybreak although his sample size for that is fairly small.
Polts best TvP map is ..Antiga and his worst.. is daybreak and his sample size is much better.

So we're probably going to see Antiga for sure and not daybreak but beyond that it's anyones guess.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 13 2012 12:33 GMT
#850
Arrive in Korea from America day of your match. Proceed to win. Now that's a GSL champion.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 13 2012 12:39 GMT
#851
On August 13 2012 20:44 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 20:42 Yello wrote:
On August 13 2012 20:41 opterown wrote:
On August 13 2012 20:40 Yello wrote:
On August 13 2012 20:31 Yello wrote:
On August 13 2012 20:30 Yello wrote:
On August 13 2012 20:26 Yello wrote:
Game 3: Cloud Kingdom
Seed spawns as the red Protoss in the top right position.
Gumiho spawns as the blue Terran in the bottom left position.

2:00min
Gumiho goes for Barracks on the low-ground on 12 supply.
Seed goes for a fast scout again and sees everything in the main which means he basically sees nothing.

4:00min
Gumiho goes for an Expansion CC at his natural now while Seed went for the normal Gate-Gas-Core, skipping on the Zealot this time though and directly building his Stalker


6:00min
Gumiho adds 2 Rax and 2 Gas and skipping the Bunker as he sees that Seed didn't build a Zealot.
Seed goes for his expansion too, following it up with a Robotics Facility

Gumiho adds 2 Tech Labs to his Barracks and now finally builds a Bunker at his natural.
Seed adds 2 Gateways.

8:00min
Gumiho researches Concussive Shell and builds a Factory but delays Stim and Combat Shields for a short time.
Seed adds 2 Forges and start building Immortals.

10:00min
Gumiho is actively scouting for proxy pylons with his units, adding Medivacs to his composition.
Seed adds his Twilight Council and is far ahead on the upgrades with 1-1 half finished while Gumiho just started his +1 attack.


12:00min
Gumiho expands to his third base and adds more Barracks. Seed researches Blink and +2+2 now, stopped Immortal production after 2 Immortals.




Sorry guys, my Internet just went down for the past few minutes ._.

I thought I could do all the LR for the whole day without interception today and then this shit happens T.T

no worries thanks for the LR man


What happened in the last game? You could maybe do a short summary to finish my LR for that game.

Shit happens :/

i wasn't paying close attention sadly was working on the IEM LR threads lol sorry

"I was too busy doing more LRing to LR"
Glorious SEA doto
Nahsom
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria361 Posts
August 13 2012 12:40 GMT
#852
Can someone make a gif or atleast a picture of the ceremony of seed?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 13 2012 12:53 GMT
#853
On August 13 2012 21:40 Nahsom wrote:
Can someone make a gif or atleast a picture of the ceremony of seed?


Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/8Qtu4.jpg

There was not too much more to it :p Poor guy just wanted to go to sleep.
Nahsom
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria361 Posts
August 13 2012 13:12 GMT
#854
On August 13 2012 21:53 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 21:40 Nahsom wrote:
Can someone make a gif or atleast a picture of the ceremony of seed?


Here you go:

http://i.imgur.com/8Qtu4.jpg

There was not too much more to it :p Poor guy just wanted to go to sleep.


thank you!
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
August 13 2012 13:14 GMT
#855
Ahhh I probably won't be able to do the translation of the winners' interviews for today. It seems like the Chinese website isn't translating it. Don't see anything on the website.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Rampager
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia1007 Posts
August 13 2012 14:21 GMT
#856
On August 13 2012 22:14 Weirdkid wrote:
Ahhh I probably won't be able to do the translation of the winners' interviews for today. It seems like the Chinese website isn't translating it. Don't see anything on the website.


That's unfortunate, I really appreciate the translations you do man, thanks for your work thus far.
Code.Z
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 15:30:31
August 13 2012 15:29 GMT
#857
Right now, SeeD HAS to be the most confident player to ever touched the game right now.

Not only is his momentum growing and growing, he also made clear he wants to be the new Frontman of Incredible Miracle, after his celebrations waving their flag etc, and he finally made clear that him being considered Starter material was a fluke and ultimately turned into their new Ace.

Iam glad he trashed TaeJa (should of won their first game as well, Taeja got pretty lucky)

Clearly MC shouldnt watch out for Squirtle this year, but for this new prodigy.

They hyped Squirtle, they hyped SymboL, they hyped TaeJa....but only SeeD delivered in the end and kept his nerves together to take home back to back titles, while barely sleeping in between.

Gotta say, Love you SeeD, new Villain in the scene, new Jokerface to combat Batman and Superman (aka the Fan Idols)
Zerg: Moon | Terra: aLive - MMA | Protoss: SeeD - Oz
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 13 2012 15:41 GMT
#858
On August 13 2012 22:14 Weirdkid wrote:
Ahhh I probably won't be able to do the translation of the winners' interviews for today. It seems like the Chinese website isn't translating it. Don't see anything on the website.

Awwww man I was really looking forward to what seed has to say
IM & EG supporter
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
August 13 2012 15:53 GMT
#859
On August 14 2012 00:29 Code.Z wrote:
Iam glad he trashed TaeJa (should of won their first game as well, Taeja got pretty lucky)


What game did you watch ? The one were even if he pushed there were no detectors for him, and cloakshee was on production, and also there was another tank upthere?

Fanboys.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 13 2012 15:54 GMT
#860
On August 14 2012 00:29 Code.Z wrote:
Right now, SeeD HAS to be the most confident player to ever touched the game right now.

Not only is his momentum growing and growing, he also made clear he wants to be the new Frontman of Incredible Miracle, after his celebrations waving their flag etc, and he finally made clear that him being considered Starter material was a fluke and ultimately turned into their new Ace.

Iam glad he trashed TaeJa (should of won their first game as well, Taeja got pretty lucky)

Clearly MC shouldnt watch out for Squirtle this year, but for this new prodigy.

They hyped Squirtle, they hyped SymboL, they hyped TaeJa....but only SeeD delivered in the end and kept his nerves together to take home back to back titles, while barely sleeping in between.

Gotta say, Love you SeeD, new Villain in the scene, new Jokerface to combat Batman and Superman (aka the Fan Idols)



Actually, if you are on a deep team. The starter spot is actually really important and should be taken but a strong player. Optimally, the starter is a very good all around player with no weak matchups so if he wins, he can't be sniped easily. I think the reason IM wanted to play Seed as the starter was to force Taeja to come out early. I don't think Liquid would have been confident sending anyone else besides Taeja. It didn't really work out because Taeja went beast mode and AK'ed but the strategy itself was sound. In GSL, IPL TAC, you had a lot of big name starters like Byun, Squirtle, MMA, Gumiho, etc. So I don't think Seed was put as starter to be the sacrificial lamb.
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