On August 14 2012 06:01 Supter wrote:
Ok. no more TSL for me. I don't see the point in a TSL without foreigner in it. If i just wanted to watch koreans, i would watch the GSL or WCS Korea.

Too bad.

I don't understand this mentality.

I don't understand how it's difficult to understand. Not to be a prick and I do like to pop into LRs once in a blue moon to comment, but there is basically no story, no underdogs, no climactic anything.

Hack and almost all these koreans do not have a ton of personality (regardless of anyone's justifications to subjectivity), they are all Code B to low Code S players that are almost all recyclable. Granted, most of the foreigners in TSL are of the same quality in the EU scene, at the very least we could have rooted for an underdog. Now at best we'll have JR (who I wouldn't mind to be honest) or Major (aka always one train wreck away from something). I haven't watched any of the TSL matches because I didn't find anything here for me, but I just wanted to address the terrible point people make of 1. Not wanting to watch because of no foreigners OR 2) Not understanding why.

It's not always about saying, 'ok, based on our system, we have the highest pool of talent', it's also about making it entertaining and by human nature, rarely is something worth watching unless there is also a back story. It should be noted that TSL doesn't have the "best" talent anyway as the majority of Code S players did not even bother to make more than a couple or any qualifying attempts, which is why placing a few invites (for the draw) ALONG with qualifiers (for the skill and newcomers) is what made TSL3 so great.

Nice way to despise people simply because they're Korean.

Yeah. So What ? We don't have the same access to their culture that we have to others. How could we know them as much as foreigners ?

Are you going to blame us because we don't cheer for people we don't know against people we know and like ?

Calling people of a culture you do not follow 'recyclable' might garner you a little bit of criticism.
Telling others who know these players, have followed them and like them that '[they] do not have a ton of personality' might also. Or just be factually incorrect.
Saying that we cannot know them as much as foreigners when at least a few of TL posters see them more regularly in tournaments, read more interviews with them and generally can follow them more closely because they are involved with more than strictly online tournaments on an ongoing basis might also be completely wrong.

And I do not think anyone really blames you for feeling the way you do. Some might say you are wrong. Certainly some of the facts you try to bring are wrong. Most would just say that whining in live report threads, be it about balance or nationality, is tiresome and it should have no place here.

For the most part of what you're talking about : i didn't say that. We are far from koreans players, so it's not as easy to follow them. It would ask me to make efforts that i don't want to make, because i just want to watch games. I just said that i was done with TSL, not that this was a bad tournament and that you should feel bad watching it. I, ME, MY, PERSONNALLY, just think that all the fun i could have is over. I won't watch korean players fight in an online tournament when i can see them in the GSL, or in the WCS (they care more about it that about TSL).

What do you mean you did not say that? I quoted you. oO

Partybiscuit said the part about them being recyclable and not having personnality. That's what you were mostly talking about.

Whoops sorry, my mistake. My points were for the first post I quoted which was Partybiscuit indeed. Sorry.

imre

France9263 Posts

August 13 2012 21:53 GMT

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On August 14 2012 06:52 Asha` wrote:

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Entombed makes for a lot of entertaining games. Best Blizzard map in terms of that I think.

there is still ZvP but yeah in any other mu it's great.

WombaT

Northern Ireland26281 Posts

August 13 2012 21:53 GMT

#1305

On August 14 2012 06:52 Asha` wrote:

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Entombed makes for a lot of entertaining games. Best Blizzard map in terms of that I think.

Except for PvZ, at least in my view it's a bit easy to get a safe third which is all you really need to hit a pre-brood collosus timing. Definitely a pretty good map though

Also, is it just me who misses lategame ghosts? Maybe they were a bit strong, but damn it was cool to hear those snipes