EPTFor the record though, I think the article was stupid in trying to predict a timeline for how fast the transition would be. What I do think will start happening though is huge changes in the metagame when the gods of SC really start getting into the game and applying their ingenuity. Already, the Kespa players are starting to add finesse to the PvP matchup with better executed immortal prism play etc. That was an old idea in SC2, but you weren't seeing the kinds of beautiful executions like some of these SC1 pros are bringing in. Once these guys grasp the fundamentals of the game, they're going to be a force to reckon with. It's just so obvious right now that they don't even have a basic understanding of the game yet.
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
For the record though, I think the article was stupid in trying to predict a timeline for how fast the transition would be. What I do think will start happening though is huge changes in the metagame when the gods of SC really start getting into the game and applying their ingenuity. Already, the Kespa players are starting to add finesse to the PvP matchup with better executed immortal prism play etc. That was an old idea in SC2, but you weren't seeing the kinds of beautiful executions like some of these SC1 pros are bringing in. Once these guys grasp the fundamentals of the game, they're going to be a force to reckon with. It's just so obvious right now that they don't even have a basic understanding of the game yet. | ||
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:28 Whatson wrote: Did the writer of the article really not put into consideration the potential for the SC2 players to get better...it's not like they wouldn't improve. I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote: I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." I'm not sure what you're quoting. "I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment" | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 08 2012 03:56 Dodgin wrote: Reality will be the first Kespa player to win a series in this tournament, yugioh is not that tough he's beaten stronger zergs in the qualifiers. FUCK YEAH *reality gif* On August 08 2012 11:48 6BiT wrote: Sure Reality beat strong zergs in the qualifiers, we could say the same for Yugioh when it comes to qualifying for Code S.. he has beaten strong terrans like MarineKing. We are talking about a player constantly maintaining his spot in Code A and is on the fringes of Code S not being a tough opponent for someone who hasn't been playing the game for long? lol @ that logic. I think if Yugioh can drag games out and suffocate his opponents like he has done before that will be really tough for the kespa players. dat logic. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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HowardRoark
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:50 HowardRoark wrote: Sorry, I am completely off topic now... But, why is there no thread about OSL Group C Starcraft 2 with Flash's first games? I have been looking all over to find it? It ought to be huge... Or am I just delirious? ODT Day 4 | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:43 fraktoasters wrote: I'm not sure what you're quoting. "I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment" I worded that poorly, as it was not a quote. I was just highlighting that the article doesn't say anything about the future, just (what was) the present. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:35 Dranak wrote: I think the intent was to comment on what was the current state of SC2 play at that time. The article doesn't really talk about the future beyond "If Kespa players all change over NOW..." The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:53 Dranak wrote: I worded that poorly, as it was not a quote. I was just highlighting that the article doesn't say anything about the future, just (what was) the present. Even at the time this article was written it wasn't true. The article argues, that because the SC2 players had bad performances in BW (which they played until 2010), the players with better performances in BW would also be much better in SC2. Reality is a player with little/nothing to show until the release of SC2 (4 games all lost). Now he does really well in SC2. He is basically what any of the GSL players could have been if he stayed with Kespa and only now switched over. Some players have been bad at BW and good at SC2, some bad at both, some good at both and some were good at BW and are bad at SC2. GSL players will not continue to dominate the Kespa players forever, but the Kespa players will not dominate the GSL players either. | ||
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote: The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On August 09 2012 03:26 Dranak wrote: Of course it was a huge middle finger to the entire SC2 scene. It was also unnecessarily inflammatory and condescending, and pretty surprising to be published as a feature article. It's also been disproved by every BW player that changed over after the article was written, and continues to be disproved now in WCS, WCG, and every other tournament Kespa players go against GSL players. The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
On August 09 2012 03:43 ShiroKaisen wrote: The problem with claiming it was "disproved" is that every KeSPA player who's switched so far hasn't remained on a KeSPA team. The KeSPA pro-house environment and practice and coaching is so far above even what the eSF teams do. fOrGG practicing alone or in the oGs house is a Code S player. fOrGG practicing in the KT Rolster house is an MSL champion. So... Kespa players (that switched) practicing in the same conditions as GSL players and having comparable results proves that Kespa players are better? If anything that would suggest that they're of equal skill. Are you suggesting that the ones that are still on their own teams suddenly changed their practice regimens? Because according to the article, "300" Kespa players should be absolutely dominating every non-Kespa player, and doing so now (four months after starting serious practice), which isn't happening. The elephant article predicted that any BW player that switched to SC2 would completely dominate everyone after a couple months. They're all playing SC2 now, and that hasn't happened. The article didn't say "eventually" or "a few", it said that every single BW player would be absolutely destroying every single SC2 pro after "a few months" of practice. That hasn't happened, therefore the theory is disproved. | ||
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
Yugioh gsl to lose to kespa :0 | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 09 2012 04:33 TyrionSC2 wrote: hahahahah really interesting results o.0 Yugioh gsl to lose to kespa :0 Not that surprising Reality has already been strong in the preliminaries. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 08 2012 21:51 figq wrote: Terran in BW required enormous amount of skill to play at the highest level. Terran in SC2 at the highest level for a long time was - relatively - much easier, until now when the recent patches made Terran seem impossible to win with. My theory is that eventually, when the current BW elite adapt to SC2, they will revolutionize the power of terran in SC2, by just playing it on a whole new level of skill. This here is just a very early and rough hint for that. I fricking hate posts like this. They will never end up being the only ones to make changes in the meta games. This is nto a hint of anything like what you claim either. He did absolutely NOTHING new that hasn't been done before. So please tell me how this hints at revolutionizing Terran? Frick. Reality played well against a player who played sloppily and no I am not going through and listing the things Yugioh did poorly of which there were more than a few. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 09 2012 03:04 nokz88 wrote: The intent was to question the skill (then or potential) of then-best SC2 players, and thus the validity of a scene dominated by them. By showing their awful records in BW, it downplays the players themselves, not their current skill or whatever, not accounting for that they are now in a whole 'nother ballpark. It's a huge middle finger for SC2. It's the rallying point for BW elitists. It's a shame that more than a year after that piece of crap was written, people still are waiting for the things it predicted, like Christians waiting for the judgement day, to shove their disdain in SC2 fans' faces. You're upset because one insulting article was written. The BW community is upset because SC2 killed our game and denied us the chance of ever seeing it on a pro-stage again. | ||
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sOda~
United Kingdom441 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:51 StorkHwaiting wrote: You're upset because one insulting article was written. The BW community is upset because SC2 killed our game and denied us the chance of ever seeing it on a pro-stage again. it died cos the game was old as fuck, if sc2 wasnt around youd just as likely be watching LoL | ||
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