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On August 07 2012 20:39 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:38 Yello wrote:On August 07 2012 20:35 Decendos wrote: most retarded mechanic in the game. gratz blizzard for supermega imbatoilet...coca played SO well but hey archon toilet wins. Splitting Broodlords is not that hard to do. Coca threw that game much more then Seed won it. You shouldn't blame balance on this. You can blame the design but mostly you have to blame Coca for this loss. You can argue splitting broodlords is not that hard to do till you're blue in the face. Pressing the vortex keybind is always going to be easier :p
It's certainly a lot easier to click banelings into marines than to split marines. They must be imbalanced.
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On August 07 2012 20:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On August 07 2012 20:38 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 20:37 ujonecro wrote: Vortex really needs some kinds of animation like yamato cannon or something, it is just retarded. so does fungal And storm and forcefield and every spell. If you dont see the difference in fungal and yamato/vortex just dont reply to me. so why does fungal not need an animation while vortex does, then?
Fungal doesnt remove a massive chunk of an army from the fight instantly
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what a shit song, why do they play cheryl cole
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On August 07 2012 20:41 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:38 Coal wrote:On August 07 2012 20:37 ibo422 wrote: I don't get why zergs don't try to deny archons from getting in the vortex with fungals.. My god...... what my god? Do you know how many fungals you need to keep archons from entering the vortex. Its better just to spam infested terrans into vortex and pray for good outcome.
You're not very good with sarcasm, are you? ^_^
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song lyric "Let me show you how the west coast rocks!" WCS Korea ._.
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On August 07 2012 20:40 Frankon wrote:Time for slayers slayer to slay some elephants.... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X9ir7.jpg)
Wow! This is sooo nice - Map props
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On August 07 2012 20:41 dezi wrote: Coca really deserved the loss after this "split" - sadly we won't see such stuff in HotS i guess. 240p still laggy ... You play terran. Late game ZvP is just a nerve inducing stage for both sides.
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 07 2012 20:42 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:40 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On August 07 2012 20:38 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 20:37 ujonecro wrote: Vortex really needs some kinds of animation like yamato cannon or something, it is just retarded. so does fungal And storm and forcefield and every spell. If you dont see the difference in fungal and yamato/vortex just dont reply to me. so why does fungal not need an animation while vortex does, then? Fungal doesnt remove a massive chunk of an army from the fight instantly
You're right, it 1 hit KO's a massive chunk of an army.
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On August 07 2012 20:40 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:36 soverRR wrote:On August 07 2012 20:35 Nekovivie wrote: Didn't they fix archon toilets ages ago though
How come you can still do it They made units invulnerable for like 1 or 1.5 seconds after the vortex ends. Obviously it doesn't have that big of an impact as Blizzard imagined. Because BLs don't really move much in 1-1.5 seconds...
Actually, if I remember correctly the change they made was more a buff of archon toilet than anything else, because Zerg can't counter it with banneling now.
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On August 07 2012 20:40 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:38 Decendos wrote:On August 07 2012 20:36 DJHelium wrote:On August 07 2012 20:35 Decendos wrote: most retarded mechanic in the game. gratz blizzard for supermega imbatoilet...coca played SO well but hey archon toilet wins. Any top level zerg knows about the toilet though. Running 10+ broods into a vortex is not playing SO well, but actually playing pretty bad. Rest of the game was top notch by coca, sad to see him lose. yeah but you cant split 15 BLs against 2 vortexes since it will ALWAYS get like 5, which means after 2 vortex there are 5 BLs left and the P army just stomps the Z then. lategame PvZ is just so retarded. they should get rid of toilet and buff carrier build time instead. You can neural the Mothership, fungal Archons, use corruptors and infested terrans to zone the Mothership, use terrain to your advantage, etc. It's stupid to complain about it when pretty much everyone knows that Mothership is part and parcel of late game PvZ and have learnt to adapt.
I think the major complaint about the mothership isnt balance related. Its how you can basically erase 25-35 mins of game play by a single click (or missclick if you will). The mothership has always been a anti-climatic unit.
To clarify my point. On a map where you are taking expansions closer to each other (like Daybreak) there is no recovery time for either race.
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Good LR pdd,
I apologise for my vortex whine. i'm going to stop derailing this thread with balance discussion and I urge you all to join me.
GO GO GUMIHO!!
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On August 07 2012 20:43 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:41 dezi wrote: Coca really deserved the loss after this "split" - sadly we won't see such stuff in HotS i guess. 240p still laggy ... You play terran. Late game ZvP is just a nerve inducing stage for both sides. I'm pretty sure terrans know a thing or two about nerve inducing late games.
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Russian Federation823 Posts
The problem is that a split-second of distraction costs the game through that Vortex. As far as i know there was no such mechanic in BW, or was there?
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Holy crap I forgot about POD... I wish the rest of the world had done the same
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Love watching Gumiho! Should be fun..
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Stop blaming mothership for that. Coca couldve killed Seed several times after killing 2 Nexus. It doesnt take a GM player to realize that doing templar tech + doing mothership tech + double expanding off of 2base with being 50 supply down is a huge risk. Then he threw away 50+ supply of roach/ling for the gain of a Nexus which had to be restarted. Coca allowed Seed to get the army he needed back up.
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On August 07 2012 20:43 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:41 dezi wrote: Coca really deserved the loss after this "split" - sadly we won't see such stuff in HotS i guess. 240p still laggy ... You play terran. Late game ZvP is just a nerve inducing stage for both sides.
+ Show Spoiler +yeah seed losing half his max army and 2bases for nothing deserved the win obviously.
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Let's do this, Soulkey. Gumiho may have won the GSTL for FXO but I believe.
Even then, win or lose, Kespa fan here.
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o.O gom so laggy all of a sudden
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On August 07 2012 20:42 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 20:40 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On August 07 2012 20:38 opterown wrote:On August 07 2012 20:37 ujonecro wrote: Vortex really needs some kinds of animation like yamato cannon or something, it is just retarded. so does fungal And storm and forcefield and every spell. If you dont see the difference in fungal and yamato/vortex just dont reply to me. so why does fungal not need an animation while vortex does, then? Fungal doesnt remove a massive chunk of an army from the fight instantly
No they do it slowly and are cast by units of which a player can have more then 1 of. Why even debate different spells by different units when they are so different in design...
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