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On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far.
Satiini vs MaNa 3-2
ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2
ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances
MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out
MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance.
Btw its the most amazing bracket system. Bo5 just makes it better.
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Northern Ireland26359 Posts
On August 03 2012 04:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:54 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:52 DertoQq wrote:On August 03 2012 04:50 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off... Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player? I think this can apply for every players, unless you are called WhiteRa : D Not quite to the degree that it always happens to Sase. I have no idea why but people really want to believe that he's horrible. And actually I see it happen to WhiteRa all the time, tons of people make fun of him a lot and call him gold league and random crap, it's just a ton of people (like me) love him too. Because he is a cocky BMer, but unlike Naniwa he hasn't done much to back it up
How is SaSe a cocky BMer? He's been pretty chilled whenever I met him, if anything he has that air of awkward humility about him
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On August 03 2012 04:54 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:52 TemujinGK wrote:On August 03 2012 04:51 Vorenius wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 TemujinGK wrote:On August 03 2012 04:47 Ksquared wrote:
Ret logic. Getting allined? Better make drones. if he didn't make drones then kas makes command center and wins the game because ret has like 7 drones and terran still has mules and like 4 mining scvs with like 7 at the engagement. Kas pulls back and ret is dead, who are you jesus. He had 30 drones while getting 2raxed by a guy who pulled like 8 SCVs... Even in a worst case scenario Kas has like 20 workers on one base at most. Further, even if Ret is behind in drones it doesn't matter if he holds the all in. He has two hatches and queens for injects. wtf 30 drones? he had 15 when he put down the pool, and didn't make any more after getting to 16 suppy... oingrf;alksjngjsk;nsjlgk;sf At one point he had 26 drones with 4 more in eggs. Granted some drones died before the eggs hatched but I still counted it as 30. In any case it's way more than 16...
On August 03 2012 04:54 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:52 TemujinGK wrote:On August 03 2012 04:51 Vorenius wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 TemujinGK wrote:On August 03 2012 04:47 Ksquared wrote:
Ret logic. Getting allined? Better make drones. if he didn't make drones then kas makes command center and wins the game because ret has like 7 drones and terran still has mules and like 4 mining scvs with like 7 at the engagement. Kas pulls back and ret is dead, who are you jesus. He had 30 drones while getting 2raxed by a guy who pulled like 8 SCVs... Even in a worst case scenario Kas has like 20 workers on one base at most. Further, even if Ret is behind in drones it doesn't matter if he holds the all in. He has two hatches and queens for injects. wtf 30 drones? he had 15 when he put down the pool, and didn't make any more after getting to 16 suppy... oingrf;alksjngjsk;nsjlgk;sf It's not like he has to keep on producing pure drones. Use 4 larvae on drones, 2 on lings, or whatever.
literally both of you did not read anything. I fucking said that he needed to make those drones, i was talking about not making additional drones when the pressure first came, i acknowledged he made a huge round of drones and even said that was the only way to win because otherwise kas just pulls back salvages, mines his expo and wins with a HUGE advantage.
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On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far.
You never watched GSL or OSL?
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United States15275 Posts
Terrible control from Ret.
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On August 03 2012 04:54 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:53 Whatson wrote:On August 03 2012 04:52 DertoQq wrote:On August 03 2012 04:50 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off... Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player? I think this can apply for every players, unless you are called WhiteRa : D White-Ra and BoxeR Flash
Flash needs to win to prove himself.
BoxeR doesn't.
Even Nada needs to win to prove.
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Kas defends it without wall, without bunker? What the
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On August 03 2012 04:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:54 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:52 DertoQq wrote:On August 03 2012 04:50 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off... Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player? I think this can apply for every players, unless you are called WhiteRa : D Not quite to the degree that it always happens to Sase. I have no idea why but people really want to believe that he's horrible. And actually I see it happen to WhiteRa all the time, tons of people make fun of him a lot and call him gold league and random crap, it's just a ton of people (like me) love him too. Because he is a cocky BMer, but unlike Naniwa he hasn't done much to back it up
Wtf are you smoking? Sase is like the opposite of BM.
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On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far. Satiini vs MaNa 3-2 ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2 ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance.
I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell.
Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again...
Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas.
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anyone else just loosing the audio sometimes (not the video) in the stream? (stream1)
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On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far.
congratz you never saw gsl before and think you can judge over this format and the storylines(metagaming) coming from this.
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On August 03 2012 04:56 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far. bring extended series !!!!!!
That would be fair, indeed.
Lose 3-0, play a second game 0-3 in a best of 13 although both players are 1-1.
It's like you conveniently ignore the fact that Mana won his second game while Satiini lost his.
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On August 03 2012 04:58 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On August 03 2012 04:54 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:52 DertoQq wrote:On August 03 2012 04:50 VisonKai wrote:On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off... Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player? I think this can apply for every players, unless you are called WhiteRa : D Not quite to the degree that it always happens to Sase. I have no idea why but people really want to believe that he's horrible. And actually I see it happen to WhiteRa all the time, tons of people make fun of him a lot and call him gold league and random crap, it's just a ton of people (like me) love him too. Because he is a cocky BMer, but unlike Naniwa he hasn't done much to back it up Wtf are you smoking? Sase is like the opposite of BM.
Oh? You don't really know the guy then 
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Loving the bo5 matches and GSL pool play system.
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On August 03 2012 04:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:47 Sated wrote:On August 03 2012 04:40 Type|NarutO wrote:On August 03 2012 04:38 Sated wrote:Where are the "Suppy only wins 3-0 because Kas is tired" people at? They are still strong I guess. Can't say how it would have went if Kas is in good condition. Could be the same, but I for mypart do also think it was Kas' lack of sleep. Just that some of us don't blame Suppy for winning. Not his fault Kas was tired. "Zombie" Kas has now taken two games off Ret, a player whose generally considered a better player than Suppy atm. S'all I'm saying Ret is considered a better player than Suppy? Not by me at least but whatever you say... Ret totally blew that last game though, he knew it was 2rax in the mid. I facepalmed when I saw him making 6 drones at once. As I pointed out earlier, Kas could have killed him even earlier. I don't get why he'd do that. Ret could have overkilled lings to kill that allin and THEN went full drones and he'd have been way ahead anyway, why doesn't he understand you don't need 60 drones vs 20 SCVs, having 40 drones vs 20 SCVs is just fine if it guarantees you don't die. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:50 Wegandi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 04:32 Orek wrote:On August 03 2012 04:15 Wegandi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:05 FatBat wrote:On August 03 2012 04:02 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On August 03 2012 02:40 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote:
16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments
stay classy Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player seems likely as i cant think of a single player whos ever peaked at 16 I think in theory its best age because your brain is at his peak aswell as physically, BUT at 16 you have school and in generell not so much time to play( parents etc.) Physical peak is late 20s, and mental peak generally is mid 20s, even though some other functions like spatial reasoning peaks in your late 50s. The reason you see teenagers doing so well is because they have less priorities and responsibilities. As much as we might like to say that gaming is mainstream, it really isn't, at least not yet. Many people lose their passion also the more they play the game. Just look at NaDa. His abilities didn't decline because of some physical or mental diminishing, but because his priorities shifted. Let's also not forget the fact that Korean gamers are interrupted for years in the early 20s due to conscription. I think it's a bit silly to say that playing Starcraft is more physically or mentally demanding than say, Nolan Ryan pitching at age 43. If major league baseball players can still be on the top of the world in their late 30s in such a demanding sport, what makes you think that humans can't play starcraft in their early and mid twenties at the top of the game? You have good insight. Playing video game is not nearly as demanding physically. I wouldn't be surprised 60 years old winning GSL if he/she has a chance and dedication to do so. Often times, people start to play games in teenage years. Therefore, it is only natural that some talents come up from those age bracket. When e-sports grow bigger and pro gamer career is taken more seriously by societies, then we might see more older age champions. For now, being younger is an advantage. Some say you have school, but if you start to work, school responsibility is such a joke compared to working responsibility. Maybe some youngsters don't understand that. I certainly didn't back then to be fair. Videogames really rely on your cognitive abilities, your reaction times and whatnot that decline relatively quickly. Plus only the young tend to have sufficient time to dedicate to playing full time which is probably part of it. Please don't tell me you are saying that playing starcraft is harder than trying to hit a 98MPH fastball, or a 87MPH Circle-Change coming from someone like Roy Halladay...As someone who extensively played RTS and Baseball for most of my life, I can definitely say, that playing baseball is much more demanding both physically and mentally, and the sport isn't dominated by 18-21 y/o's. Indeed, most don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. There's a reason for this. You realize SC2 was released in 2010? When do you think the early 30s basketballer started playing basketball? At the age of 29? Not a chance.
what? so you think that suppy is better than ret?
I personally don't really like ret's playstyle but he has won international tournaments and done really well in many others but suppy doesn't have any accomplishments whatsoever (no doing decently in WCS usa doesn't count as an achievent... not even close to an achievement you could compare to some of ret's)
strange point of view
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Northern Ireland26359 Posts
Also, loving this format. The more Bo5s there are the more I feel the better player on the day gets through. Wish more tournaments did this
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how to defend vs roach-baneling: dont make any walls or bunkers. thank you kas.
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I'm impressed by how well Kas is playing despite having been awake for 48 hours.
Though Ret isn't exactly playing amazingly right now.
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United States15275 Posts
On August 03 2012 04:59 Sepi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far. Satiini vs MaNa 3-2 ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2 ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance. I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell. Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again... Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas.
You do realize how much worse round robin is, right?
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