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scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
August 02 2012 19:49 GMT
#3381
On August 03 2012 04:48 -_- wrote:
Whenever Sase vs Puma starts, please notify this LR thread (and me!).


you mean the second map? puma up 1:0
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESV TV
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
August 02 2012 19:49 GMT
#3382
On August 03 2012 04:48 -_- wrote:
Whenever Sase vs Puma starts, please notify this LR thread (and me!).


It already started (game one finished) in the ESVTV stream.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
August 02 2012 19:49 GMT
#3383
On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off...

Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 02 2012 19:49 GMT
#3384
THE STORMS
A backwards poet writes inverse.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3385
thanks guys, can't keep up with all the streams.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3386
On August 03 2012 04:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:32 Orek wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:15 Wegandi wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:05 FatBat wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:02 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:40 Shikyo wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote:
16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments

stay classy

Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player

seems likely as i cant think of a single player whos ever peaked at 16

I think in theory its best age because your brain is at his peak aswell as physically, BUT at 16 you have school and in generell not so much time to play( parents etc.)



Physical peak is late 20s, and mental peak generally is mid 20s, even though some other functions like spatial reasoning peaks in your late 50s. The reason you see teenagers doing so well is because they have less priorities and responsibilities. As much as we might like to say that gaming is mainstream, it really isn't, at least not yet. Many people lose their passion also the more they play the game. Just look at NaDa. His abilities didn't decline because of some physical or mental diminishing, but because his priorities shifted.

Let's also not forget the fact that Korean gamers are interrupted for years in the early 20s due to conscription. I think it's a bit silly to say that playing Starcraft is more physically or mentally demanding than say, Nolan Ryan pitching at age 43. If major league baseball players can still be on the top of the world in their late 30s in such a demanding sport, what makes you think that humans can't play starcraft in their early and mid twenties at the top of the game?


You have good insight. Playing video game is not nearly as demanding physically. I wouldn't be surprised 60 years old winning GSL if he/she has a chance and dedication to do so. Often times, people start to play games in teenage years. Therefore, it is only natural that some talents come up from those age bracket. When e-sports grow bigger and pro gamer career is taken more seriously by societies, then we might see more older age champions. For now, being younger is an advantage. Some say you have school, but if you start to work, school responsibility is such a joke compared to working responsibility. Maybe some youngsters don't understand that. I certainly didn't back then to be fair.

Videogames really rely on your cognitive abilities, your reaction times and whatnot that decline relatively quickly. Plus only the young tend to have sufficient time to dedicate to playing full time which is probably part of it.


Please don't tell me you are saying that playing starcraft is harder than trying to hit a 98MPH fastball, or a 87MPH Circle-Change coming from someone like Roy Halladay...As someone who extensively played RTS and Baseball for most of my life, I can definitely say, that playing baseball is much more demanding both physically and mentally, and the sport isn't dominated by 18-21 y/o's. Indeed, most don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. There's a reason for this.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 19:52:32
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3387
On August 03 2012 04:47 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:40 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:38 Sated wrote:
Where are the "Suppy only wins 3-0 because Kas is tired" people at?


They are still strong I guess. Can't say how it would have went if Kas is in good condition. Could be the same, but I for mypart do also think it was Kas' lack of sleep. Just that some of us don't blame Suppy for winning. Not his fault Kas was tired.

"Zombie" Kas has now taken two games off Ret, a player whose generally considered a better player than Suppy atm.

S'all I'm saying

Ret is considered a better player than Suppy? Not by me at least but whatever you say...

Ret totally blew that last game though, he knew it was 2rax in the mid. I facepalmed when I saw him making 6 drones at once. As I pointed out earlier, Kas could have killed him even earlier. I don't get why he'd do that. Ret could have overkilled lings to kill that allin and THEN went full drones and he'd have been way ahead anyway, why doesn't he understand you don't need 60 drones vs 20 SCVs, having 40 drones vs 20 SCVs is just fine if it guarantees you don't die.

On August 03 2012 04:50 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:32 Orek wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:15 Wegandi wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:05 FatBat wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:02 fakgfdgfdh wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:40 Shikyo wrote:
On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote:
16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments

stay classy

Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player

seems likely as i cant think of a single player whos ever peaked at 16

I think in theory its best age because your brain is at his peak aswell as physically, BUT at 16 you have school and in generell not so much time to play( parents etc.)



Physical peak is late 20s, and mental peak generally is mid 20s, even though some other functions like spatial reasoning peaks in your late 50s. The reason you see teenagers doing so well is because they have less priorities and responsibilities. As much as we might like to say that gaming is mainstream, it really isn't, at least not yet. Many people lose their passion also the more they play the game. Just look at NaDa. His abilities didn't decline because of some physical or mental diminishing, but because his priorities shifted.

Let's also not forget the fact that Korean gamers are interrupted for years in the early 20s due to conscription. I think it's a bit silly to say that playing Starcraft is more physically or mentally demanding than say, Nolan Ryan pitching at age 43. If major league baseball players can still be on the top of the world in their late 30s in such a demanding sport, what makes you think that humans can't play starcraft in their early and mid twenties at the top of the game?


You have good insight. Playing video game is not nearly as demanding physically. I wouldn't be surprised 60 years old winning GSL if he/she has a chance and dedication to do so. Often times, people start to play games in teenage years. Therefore, it is only natural that some talents come up from those age bracket. When e-sports grow bigger and pro gamer career is taken more seriously by societies, then we might see more older age champions. For now, being younger is an advantage. Some say you have school, but if you start to work, school responsibility is such a joke compared to working responsibility. Maybe some youngsters don't understand that. I certainly didn't back then to be fair.

Videogames really rely on your cognitive abilities, your reaction times and whatnot that decline relatively quickly. Plus only the young tend to have sufficient time to dedicate to playing full time which is probably part of it.


Please don't tell me you are saying that playing starcraft is harder than trying to hit a 98MPH fastball, or a 87MPH Circle-Change coming from someone like Roy Halladay...As someone who extensively played RTS and Baseball for most of my life, I can definitely say, that playing baseball is much more demanding both physically and mentally, and the sport isn't dominated by 18-21 y/o's. Indeed, most don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. There's a reason for this.

You realize SC2 was released in 2010? When do you think the early 30s basketballer started playing basketball? At the age of 29? Not a chance.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3388
On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off...

Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post


Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player?
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3389
On August 03 2012 04:47 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:40 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:38 Sated wrote:
Where are the "Suppy only wins 3-0 because Kas is tired" people at?


They are still strong I guess. Can't say how it would have went if Kas is in good condition. Could be the same, but I for mypart do also think it was Kas' lack of sleep. Just that some of us don't blame Suppy for winning. Not his fault Kas was tired.

"Zombie" Kas has now taken two games off Ret, a player whose generally considered a better player than Suppy atm.

S'all I'm saying


Ret is mentally broken after losing his first match, check out his twitter.

I think we have to distinguish that no one is actually flaming Suppy. Most are just skeptical at jumping on the bandwagon given the complications of the players in his group. By all means, I hope we have a great new player in the scene
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3390
On August 03 2012 04:47 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:40 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:38 Sated wrote:
Where are the "Suppy only wins 3-0 because Kas is tired" people at?


They are still strong I guess. Can't say how it would have went if Kas is in good condition. Could be the same, but I for mypart do also think it was Kas' lack of sleep. Just that some of us don't blame Suppy for winning. Not his fault Kas was tired.

Kas has taken two games off Ret whose generally considered a better player than Suppy atm.

S'all I'm saying


I did never bash Suppy did I? I don't know anything about him so I can't speak. I didn't even see the games so I cannot comment on it. All I'm saying is that Kas with perfect condition is a ton better than a half-asleep Kas. I've seen him many times and he's usually solid as a rock but once in a MSI Pro Cup or Millenium Cup he was tired as hell... his level dropped down by a ton. He's still Kas and still amazing, but any progamer being jetlegged, tired, exhausted etc will not play to his/her full potential.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3391
As many pointed out, cancelling 2nd spine when all those marines were already behind mineral line was a bad decision in retrospect. Ret would have been in great shape if he held with 1 spine only though.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3392
On August 03 2012 04:48 TemujinGK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:47 Ksquared wrote:
Ret logic. Getting allined? Better make drones.


if he didn't make drones then kas makes command center and wins the game because ret has like 7 drones and terran still has mules and like 4 mining scvs with like 7 at the engagement.

Kas pulls back and ret is dead, who are you jesus.

He had 30 drones while getting 2raxed by a guy who pulled like 8 SCVs... Even in a worst case scenario Kas has like 20 workers on one base at most.

Further, even if Ret is behind in drones it doesn't matter if he holds the all in. He has two hatches and queens for injects.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3393
Was that Fog of War thing a bug? I could have sworn that Overlords barely has more sight than buildings in SC2..
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3394
Kas "The zombie terran" vs Ret "the emo zerg", what a funny matchup ^^

(If you don't know what I am talking about check Ret's twitter.
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3395
On August 03 2012 04:48 -_- wrote:
Whenever Sase vs Puma starts, please notify this LR thread (and me!).

gonna have to invent a time machine for that, sorry
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3396
On August 03 2012 04:51 ELA wrote:
Was that Fog of War thing a bug? I could have sworn that Overlords barely has more sight than buildings in SC2..


watchtower?
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
August 02 2012 19:51 GMT
#3397
On August 03 2012 04:48 TemujinGK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:47 Ksquared wrote:
Ret logic. Getting allined? Better make drones.


if he didn't make drones then kas makes command center and wins the game because ret has like 7 drones and terran still has mules and like 4 mining scvs with like 7 at the engagement.

Kas pulls back and ret is dead, who are you jesus.


??????????? If you thought that Ret made the right thing, why did he lose then?
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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#3398
On August 03 2012 04:51 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:51 ELA wrote:
Was that Fog of War thing a bug? I could have sworn that Overlords barely has more sight than buildings in SC2..


watchtower?


Ah, of course...
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#3399
On August 03 2012 04:50 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:48 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Sase showing that his training in Korea is really paying off...

Not like he's never shown results, in fact he's got a pretty good record against Puma all-round. Stupid post


Don't you know that whenever Sase loses it's obligated that fifty people call him a crappy player?


I think this can apply for every players, unless you are called WhiteRa : D
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Gool
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina204 Posts
August 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#3400
Music in incontrol's stream is SICK, i hope every tournament features this ambient music while casting!!!!
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