On August 03 2012 02:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Made it entirely too close by using a couple cheesy ladder builds though...
Made it entirely too close by using a couple cheesy ladder builds though...
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
August 02 2012 17:38 GMT
#2661
On August 03 2012 02:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:37 NEOtheONE wrote: ForGG succeeds in showing JonnyreCCo that tourny play does not = ladder. Made it entirely too close by using a couple cheesy ladder builds though... forGG cares about our entertainment | ||
n0ise
3452 Posts
August 02 2012 17:38 GMT
#2662
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
August 02 2012 17:38 GMT
#2663
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2664
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scsnow
Slovenia515 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2665
On August 03 2012 02:31 quannguyen wrote: lol forGG has like 20 Orbitals now. Ridiculous =)) 2 mules = orbital and from then you have exponential income curve for free... | ||
MK4512
Canada938 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2666
On August 03 2012 02:37 sVnteen wrote: so terrans.... why do you even whine about zerg being able to go to the lategame when the terran army just demolishes the zerg army lategame? same with mass thor viking btw... That was a difference in macro, not a difference in composition... The zerg army smashed the Terran army multiple times, but it was by pure macro forgg continued. Not saying that it's imbalanced, but in this game the terran's army was crushed over and over (which was probably forgg's plan) | ||
TheDwf
France19747 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2667
On August 03 2012 02:38 CosmicSpiral wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:34 Shikyo wrote: Btw ForGG plays macrogames so nicely that I kind of dislike the fact that he cheeses too much and makes people think of him as a cheesy player... Then again I guess that it helps with unpredictability in tournaments. I don't see why he doesn't play more greedy. Against a queen-heavy defense it's viable to open with bio and take a fast third base; the lack of early gas means any type of zerg pressure will be very delayed. Even the initial gas will probably be put into defensive roaches/banelings or upgrades prior to speed. And how do you scout that if you don't make Hellions? | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2668
On August 03 2012 02:38 Ryps wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:37 NEOtheONE wrote: ForGG succeeds in showing JonnyreCCo that tourny play does not = ladder. Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:35 dragonborn wrote: "i have 70% win rate against ForGG on ladder" ok, take it jonnyrecco. f*** yeah FORGG! He barely won 3-2 wtf are you 2 smoking. Jonnyrecco did good. Both macrogames ForGG just stomped him. A few stupid ladderbuilds(the ones that JRecco has 70 win% vs) that I don't really get but eh | ||
AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2669
On August 03 2012 02:37 sVnteen wrote: so terrans.... why do you even whine about zerg being able to go to the lategame when the terran army just demolishes the zerg army lategame? same with mass thor viking btw... Your other statement was utter bullshit about forgg "pressuring" Jrecco on Metropolis, and this was just as bad. I'd like to think a Code S/A Terran player who displayed sublime macro would be able to win in his position. | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2670
On August 03 2012 02:38 n0ise wrote: frustrating to see how hard fOrGG had to fight for that win against, no offense, JonnyREcco well he made a couple of mistakes: upgrades, too many SCVs, some bad fights which delayed the inevitable. | ||
leo23
United States3075 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2671
On August 03 2012 02:37 sVnteen wrote: so terrans.... why do you even whine about zerg being able to go to the lategame when the terran army just demolishes the zerg army lategame? same with mass thor viking btw... LOL. You rarely play this game right? JohnyRecco's creep spread was horrible, unti control horrible (please count the number of infestors he lost, he didn't have burrow), Didn't even pressure ForGG's third when forgg invested in 5 OC. Come on man be serious. | ||
Stormiii
Finland239 Posts
August 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#2672
On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote: 16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments stay classy Well to be fair, Jonnyrecco is really bad at macroing compared to ForGG, and ForGG just completely outplayed in those games which he went macro. | ||
TheDwf
France19747 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2673
On August 03 2012 02:37 sVnteen wrote: so terrans.... why do you even whine about zerg being able to go to the lategame when the terran army just demolishes the zerg army lategame? same with mass thor viking btw... You're aware ForGG had like 15 macro OCs, right? | ||
Derrida
2885 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2674
On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote: 16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments stay classy QFT (not to mention 2GD and Geoff really forced him to say bold stuff) | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2675
On August 03 2012 02:38 Resilient wrote: 16 year old barely loses to ForGG in a 3-2 series and some people here flame him for being arrogant/being inexperienced enough to apply ladder results to tournaments stay classy Implying being 16 is a disadvantage? I'd say that's the best age for a player | ||
Orek
1665 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2676
On August 03 2012 02:33 Shikyo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:31 Orek wrote: On August 03 2012 02:21 Shikyo wrote: On August 03 2012 02:20 sVnteen wrote: On August 03 2012 02:14 Shikyo wrote: On August 03 2012 02:11 sVnteen wrote: On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote: Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens it's not that hard to understand.... hellions kill lings marauders kill roaches queens don't kill anything so T wins if Z is unprepared Queen has same DPS as roach and effectively like twice the hp vs Marauders, mass Queens are very strong vs them yeah mass but not 4 or 6 6 should be enough, actually. The transfure spam is so strong that you will need maybe a spine and a few roaches but it's a simple defense. 6 queen build means you start your 5th&6th queens at 5min40sec and they finish at 6min30sec. Stim finishes at 8min25sec for marauder hellion all-in. Ling speed takes 110sec to research. Therefore, 6queen build requires relatively fast gas to stop this push. Dilamma is that with 6 queen builds, your whole purpose is to delay gas as long as possible. That's why marauder hellion is very strong. ForGG's build was so optimal that I think his stim finished around 8min22sec or so. Don't really need lingspeed vs marauder-hellion, you rely on queens and roaches and transfuse(if you scout it coming ofc) I analyzed this marauder hellion pretty intensively down to second when 6 queen build was not common, so I would love to see how it works out vs current metagame. About 6 months ago, it hit right before ling speed finish for then greedy Zerg and hellions could kite 3 range queen and slow ling forever while marauders do damage. With 5 range queen, skipping ling speed might be the answer as you said. Back then, not finishing ling speed in time was auto death to this push vs decent hellion micro. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2677
On August 03 2012 02:35 sAsImre wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:34 Whatson wrote: On August 03 2012 02:32 sAsImre wrote: On August 03 2012 02:31 Whatson wrote: On August 03 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote: On August 03 2012 02:27 CosmicSpiral wrote: On August 03 2012 02:25 sAsImre wrote: On August 03 2012 02:23 CosmicSpiral wrote: On August 03 2012 02:21 sAsImre wrote: On August 03 2012 02:19 TheDwf wrote: [quote] Yeah, he does the same thing in ladder... i should watch him ladder a bit. Some of his builds are like really good at lower levels if you've a decent control. On August 03 2012 02:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: [quote] And it is working out soooooooo well, isn't it? ok you're blind. double CC after cloack shee first time in this serie. There is no point in going cloaked banshee against this opening. You can get faster upgrades, more infantry and a faster third. you don't know the purpose of mind games that's all. He showed the eact same stuff as when he allined except this time with a fucking greedy opening. And REcco made unit without attacking against a mother fucking greedy build. And if ForGG was really smart he wouldn't be banking on a simple mindgame because he would've already won this series. CosmicSpiral officially knows better than forGG what forGG should do. I'm so impressed and jealous of such a smart guy. That's such a flimsy argument to make. better than pretending than one of the best rts players is dumb. Because the best rts players can't make stupid mistakes sometimes. Okay. there is a difference between stupid mistakes and choosing your builds. I'd agree that his all in is bad but saying that facking is bad is utterly retard. So that's what you interpreted from my comment? Lay off the pipe bro. I think ForGG should play different, greedier openers and he'd have better results because of it. | ||
Lennient
497 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2678
On August 03 2012 02:38 Ryps wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:37 NEOtheONE wrote: ForGG succeeds in showing JonnyreCCo that tourny play does not = ladder. Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 02:35 dragonborn wrote: "i have 70% win rate against ForGG on ladder" ok, take it jonnyrecco. f*** yeah FORGG! He barely won 3-2 wtf are you 2 smoking. Jonnyrecco did good. "barely" ? The CC of ForGG was on top of the hatchery at the end. | ||
Whatson
United States5356 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2679
On August 03 2012 02:37 sVnteen wrote: so terrans.... why do you even whine about zerg being able to go to the lategame when the terran army just demolishes the zerg army lategame? same with mass thor viking btw... Did you even watch the game lol... | ||
Thobrik
Sweden1120 Posts
August 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#2680
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