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THE TERRAN ZERG TECH SWITCH:
Suicide Vikings to kill broodlords -> build ground army
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On August 03 2012 02:21 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 02:20 sVnteen wrote:On August 03 2012 02:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 02:11 sVnteen wrote:On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens it's not that hard to understand.... hellions kill lings marauders kill roaches queens don't kill anything so T wins if Z is unprepared Queen has same DPS as roach and effectively like twice the hp vs Marauders, mass Queens are very strong vs them yeah mass but not 4 or 6 6 should be enough, actually. The transfure spam is so strong that you will need maybe a spine and a few roaches but it's a simple defense.
6 queen build means you start your 5th&6th queens at 5min40sec and they finish at 6min30sec.
Stim finishes at 8min25sec for marauder hellion all-in.
Ling speed takes 110sec to research.
Therefore, 6queen build requires relatively fast gas to stop this push. Dilemma is that with 6 queen builds, your whole purpose is to delay gas as long as possible.
That's why marauder hellion is very strong.
ForGG's build was so optimal that I think his stim finished around 8min22sec or so.
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I don't know if I like mass orbitals on this map at this point...he's just going to mine out really fast.
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On August 03 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 02:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:25 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 TheDwf wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 sAsImre wrote:
haha forgg with the double cc after cloack shee :d Yeah, he does the same thing in ladder... i should watch him ladder a bit. Some of his builds are like really good at lower levels if you've a decent control. On August 03 2012 02:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Does ForGG know more than two builds in TvZ? Or does he not respect JonnyREcco at all? this build is awesome cause Jonny will not go spire. And it is working out soooooooo well, isn't it? ok you're blind. double CC after cloack shee first time in this serie. There is no point in going cloaked banshee against this opening. You can get faster upgrades, more infantry and a faster third. you don't know the purpose of mind games that's all. He showed the eact same stuff as when he allined except this time with a fucking greedy opening. And REcco made unit without attacking against a mother fucking greedy build. And if ForGG was really smart he wouldn't be banking on a simple mindgame because he would've already won this series. CosmicSpiral officially knows better than forGG what forGG should do. I'm so impressed and jealous of such a smart guy.
That's such a flimsy argument to make.
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ForGG getting Neosteel Frames
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need to suicide 20+ scvs here
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lol forGG has like 20 Orbitals now. Ridiculous =))
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Wolf and Khaldor just made me wish we were watching Bomber so we could see the endless supply of manner mules in action.
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On August 03 2012 02:30 Lennient wrote:
so after 2 years of doing all-in, people are afraid of MC.
After 2 years, he still catches people off guard. The man knows how to win games, which is all that really matters in the end.
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On August 03 2012 02:31 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:25 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 TheDwf wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 sAsImre wrote:
haha forgg with the double cc after cloack shee :d Yeah, he does the same thing in ladder... i should watch him ladder a bit. Some of his builds are like really good at lower levels if you've a decent control. On August 03 2012 02:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Does ForGG know more than two builds in TvZ? Or does he not respect JonnyREcco at all? this build is awesome cause Jonny will not go spire. And it is working out soooooooo well, isn't it? ok you're blind. double CC after cloack shee first time in this serie. There is no point in going cloaked banshee against this opening. You can get faster upgrades, more infantry and a faster third. you don't know the purpose of mind games that's all. He showed the eact same stuff as when he allined except this time with a fucking greedy opening. And REcco made unit without attacking against a mother fucking greedy build. And if ForGG was really smart he wouldn't be banking on a simple mindgame because he would've already won this series. CosmicSpiral officially knows better than forGG what forGG should do. I'm so impressed and jealous of such a smart guy. That's such a flimsy argument to make.
better than pretending than one of the best rts players is dumb.
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I don't think ForGG is that much ahead, he will mine out soon with that many orbitals.
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Well Suppy probably should GG out of this.
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According to Liquipedia Satiini 3-2 Mana.
I doubt Mana is leaving the group if he can't even handle Satiini.
Maybe Korean stay will help him but given history of other foreigners I doubt it.
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On August 03 2012 02:31 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 02:21 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 02:20 sVnteen wrote:On August 03 2012 02:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 03 2012 02:11 sVnteen wrote:On August 03 2012 02:07 MangoMountain wrote:
Terrans, explain to me the logic behind the marauder hellion. Why would you mass 2 units that aren't even good against queens to counter the metagame of massive amounts of queens it's not that hard to understand.... hellions kill lings marauders kill roaches queens don't kill anything so T wins if Z is unprepared Queen has same DPS as roach and effectively like twice the hp vs Marauders, mass Queens are very strong vs them yeah mass but not 4 or 6 6 should be enough, actually. The transfure spam is so strong that you will need maybe a spine and a few roaches but it's a simple defense. 6 queen build means you start your 5th&6th queens at 5min40sec and they finish at 6min30sec. Stim finishes at 8min25sec for marauder hellion all-in. Ling speed takes 110sec to research. Therefore, 6queen build requires relatively fast gas to stop this push. Dilamma is that with 6 queen builds, your whole purpose is to delay gas as long as possible. That's why marauder hellion is very strong. ForGG's build was so optimal that I think his stim finished around 8min22sec or so.
Don't really need lingspeed vs marauder-hellion, you rely on queens and roaches and transfuse(if you scout it coming ofc)
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infestors are a good unit toi have
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ForGG smacked down JRecco in the end.
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13 Marauders, 3 siege tanks, 6 vikings at once.
The hellllllll
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On August 03 2012 02:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 02:31 Whatson wrote:On August 03 2012 02:28 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:25 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:21 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 TheDwf wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 sAsImre wrote:
haha forgg with the double cc after cloack shee :d Yeah, he does the same thing in ladder... i should watch him ladder a bit. Some of his builds are like really good at lower levels if you've a decent control. On August 03 2012 02:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 02:19 sAsImre wrote:On August 03 2012 02:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Does ForGG know more than two builds in TvZ? Or does he not respect JonnyREcco at all? this build is awesome cause Jonny will not go spire. And it is working out soooooooo well, isn't it? ok you're blind. double CC after cloack shee first time in this serie. There is no point in going cloaked banshee against this opening. You can get faster upgrades, more infantry and a faster third. you don't know the purpose of mind games that's all. He showed the eact same stuff as when he allined except this time with a fucking greedy opening. And REcco made unit without attacking against a mother fucking greedy build. And if ForGG was really smart he wouldn't be banking on a simple mindgame because he would've already won this series. CosmicSpiral officially knows better than forGG what forGG should do. I'm so impressed and jealous of such a smart guy. That's such a flimsy argument to make. better than pretending than one of the best rts players is dumb.
Because the best rts players can't make stupid mistakes sometimes. Okay.
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Btw ForGG plays macrogames so nicely that I kind of dislike the fact that he cheeses too much and makes people think of him as a cheesy player... Then again I guess that it helps with unpredictability in tournaments.
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