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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 27 2012 15:08 GMT
#4621
Lol @ the MC's faboy tears.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
July 27 2012 15:17 GMT
#4622
Last seasons finals were really good, this season things went back to normal with god-awful matches.

Big congrats to Seed though, he played really well this season and is a good winner.
You need to construct additional pylons.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1181 Posts
July 27 2012 15:19 GMT
#4623
On July 28 2012 00:05 SnipedSoul wrote:
I forgot that the finals were tonight so I just checked the VODS. Took me 15 minutes to see everything that happened -.-


ya lol finals were short that's a sure thing. In about 45 mins I saw the whole thing -.-
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 27 2012 15:20 GMT
#4624
On July 27 2012 23:49 Vaftrudner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 23:42 brainox wrote:
On July 27 2012 23:30 Vaftrudner wrote:
I'm curious if anyone here who knows Korean could translate what MC tweeted. I'm curious to hear what he had to say and Google translate does not do a very good job

First tweet:

현장까지 찾아와주시고 응원해주신 팬여러분들 정말 감사드리구요 흥행이 망했네 어쩌니 하지만 이곳까지 와주신 소수의 팬분들이 더 소중하게 느껴지는 하루였습니다 한국까지 와준 민식이형 어머니 고생한 여자친구 작가 쫑님 곰티비 스텝분들 모두 수고하셨습니다

Second:

아직 끝난게 아닙니다 다시 올라올께요 ^_^ 끝으로 상원이형 축하하고 다음에 다시 만나면 부.숴.버.리.겠.다 내일 wcg에서 뵈요

First tweet:
Thank to all fans who even went to busan to cheer for me. After i lost that way this day, I feel the preciousness of my fans. I want to thank Minsik hyung(SK.reis), who came extra to korea for the final, my mother, my girlfriend and gomtv staff.

Second tweet:
Its not the end, i will get to the top again ^_^ At the end i want to thank IM.Seed. If we meet again(in a match) I am going to C.R.U.S.H you. See you tomorrow at WCG

Thanks a lot! If anyone's curious, and it shouldn't be news to anyone that it's horrible, this is what Google Translate produced for the first tweet:

+ Show Spoiler +
I came to the scene gave cheer haejusin paenyeoreobundeul thank you for coming to the box office two're doomed, like everybody here, but precious few that fans feel better was a day to Korea wajun troubled girlfriend, mother, writer Min Sik release jjongnim Thank you all staffs logged gomtibi


Nice to hear that he's in a reasonably good mood!


I was rooting for Seed but you can't help but love MC's attitude. I am sure he wanted to win but you can't win them all. With so many tournaments coming up(WCG tomorrow, ROG next week and then OSL, WCS...), it is not a time to get down on yourself. Being the leading money winner probably helps with that as well .
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 15:24:18
July 27 2012 15:23 GMT
#4625
edit: whoot I tought they were tomorrow..

Guess that shows how excited I was for a PvP final :p
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 15:46:15
July 27 2012 15:25 GMT
#4626
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


Ya, been saying this for a while. Warpgate is just one of the main problems with SC2, imo. Not from a balance perspective, but just from the fact that it makes games less epic and interesting compared to BW. It encourages deathballs too much and makes for games often decided by 1 battle. Look at BW in comparison. Pvx games are often epic late games with units constantly streaming across the map, battles all over the place, it is just far more exciting and fun to watch than SC2 protoss. Watch the recent Jangbi vs Zero semi final osl series and tell me that is not more exciting a style to watch than what we have in SC2.

Warpgate needs to go and arguably colossus, Protoss should become a race with good harass again that rewards micro and multitask, add reavers back and buff protoss in other ways to make up for warpgate loss. I really wish the guys in charge of SC2 would stop trying so hard to make their game "unique" and just take the things from BW that worked best at least, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
July 27 2012 15:29 GMT
#4627
On July 27 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
No surprise that the ZvZ and PvP finals were the most boring to date lol.


You clearly forget Nestea vs Inca. And to that I say, you are a lucky man. Not just the worst finals, the worst match of the entire GSL history.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
July 27 2012 15:31 GMT
#4628
On July 27 2012 22:50 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


I think warpgates are ok . Just you need to remove warpins from pylons and put the warping only around gates + nexus and for warp prism only.


Warpgates are fine.

Collosus are the primary issue, ESPECIALLY in PvP. Imagine removing the collosus in pvp, you'd have much more exciting end game compositions and would have battles everywhere.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 27 2012 15:35 GMT
#4629
On July 28 2012 00:31 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:50 SkelA wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


I think warpgates are ok . Just you need to remove warpins from pylons and put the warping only around gates + nexus and for warp prism only.


Warpgates are fine.

Collosus are the primary issue, ESPECIALLY in PvP. Imagine removing the collosus in pvp, you'd have much more exciting end game compositions and would have battles everywhere.


You'd just have mass immortal/achons. Which are also a move units.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 27 2012 15:42 GMT
#4630
On July 28 2012 00:25 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


Ya, been saying this for a while. Warpgate is just one of the main problems with SC2, imo. Not from a balance perspective, but just from the fact that it makes games less epic and interesting compared to BW. It encourages deathballs too much and makes for games often decided by 1 battle. Look at BW in comparison. Pvx games are often epic late games with units constantly streaming across the map, battles all over the place, it is just far more exciting and fun to watch than SC2 protoss. Watch the recent Jangbi vs Zero semi final osl series and tell me that is not more exciting a style to watch than what we have in SC2.

Warpgate needs to go and arguably colossus, Protoss should become a race with good harass again that rewards micro and multitask, add reavers back and buff protoss in other ways to make up for warpgate loss. I really wish the guys in charge of SC2 would stop trying so hard to make their game "unique" and just take the things from BW that worked best, if it aint broke, don't fix it.



Well yeah, but Blizzard doesn't want BW with better graphics, I don't want that either. Changing it just because its how it was in BW wont do. I would like the race mechanics to promote longer games though.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 27 2012 15:45 GMT
#4631
On July 28 2012 00:29 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
No surprise that the ZvZ and PvP finals were the most boring to date lol.


You clearly forget Nestea vs Inca. And to that I say, you are a lucky man. Not just the worst finals, the worst match of the entire GSL history.

Yeah, or MKP charging into siege tanks 4times in a row against MVP.

Or Polt vs MMA. The the return of nonpositional TvT.

Or MC vs Rain. Or every second GSL finals.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 27 2012 15:48 GMT
#4632
On July 28 2012 00:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 00:31 Figgy wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:50 SkelA wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


I think warpgates are ok . Just you need to remove warpins from pylons and put the warping only around gates + nexus and for warp prism only.


Warpgates are fine.

Collosus are the primary issue, ESPECIALLY in PvP. Imagine removing the collosus in pvp, you'd have much more exciting end game compositions and would have battles everywhere.


You'd just have mass immortal/achons. Which are also a move units.

Well, at least it wouldnt be possible to lose with the bigger army anymore, due to bad positioning. oh wait, thats actually good about Colossi...
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 27 2012 15:50 GMT
#4633
On July 28 2012 00:45 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 00:29 Figgy wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
No surprise that the ZvZ and PvP finals were the most boring to date lol.


You clearly forget Nestea vs Inca. And to that I say, you are a lucky man. Not just the worst finals, the worst match of the entire GSL history.

Yeah, or MKP charging into siege tanks 4times in a row against MVP.

Or Polt vs MMA. The the return of nonpositional TvT.

Or MC vs Rain. Or every second GSL finals.


Most recent GSL finals have either been very solid (MMA vs MVP, DRG vs Genius) or amongst the best series ever played in Sc2 (MMA vs DRG, MVP vs Squirtle, Jjakji vs Leenock).

After so many good finals they were due a bad one.
rutian
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkey288 Posts
July 27 2012 15:53 GMT
#4634
MC didn't lose a set based on skill. His losses were all build and scout losses which brings me to the conclusion he's not getting any high level preparation for these matches. Idk if it's the clan or something else, but as long as MC doesn't get the preparation to support his skill, his chances of becoming champion again is very slim.
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 15:59:10
July 27 2012 15:58 GMT
#4635
On July 28 2012 00:45 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 00:29 Figgy wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
No surprise that the ZvZ and PvP finals were the most boring to date lol.


You clearly forget Nestea vs Inca. And to that I say, you are a lucky man. Not just the worst finals, the worst match of the entire GSL history.

Yeah, or MKP charging into siege tanks 4times in a row against MVP.

Or Polt vs MMA. The the return of nonpositional TvT.

Or MC vs Rain. Or every second GSL finals.


I have watched every single finals. This is one of the worst. I feel bad for saying that. Yes there are ones where other people got owned but after he won 3 in a row with demanding lead. I was like when does Seed just win one more. The games were so short also. TheBossToss became the TheLossToss. I will say this though Seed after he won was very nice about it. He even thanked GomTV for setting up the event in Busan which I thought was awesome.
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WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
July 27 2012 16:08 GMT
#4636
On July 28 2012 00:25 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh...


Ya, been saying this for a while. Warpgate is just one of the main problems with SC2, imo. Not from a balance perspective, but just from the fact that it makes games less epic and interesting compared to BW. It encourages deathballs too much and makes for games often decided by 1 battle. Look at BW in comparison. Pvx games are often epic late games with units constantly streaming across the map, battles all over the place, it is just far more exciting and fun to watch than SC2 protoss. Watch the recent Jangbi vs Zero semi final osl series and tell me that is not more exciting a style to watch than what we have in SC2.

Warpgate needs to go and arguably colossus, Protoss should become a race with good harass again that rewards micro and multitask, add reavers back and buff protoss in other ways to make up for warpgate loss. I really wish the guys in charge of SC2 would stop trying so hard to make their game "unique" and just take the things from BW that worked best at least, if it aint broke, don't fix it.


Actually Warpgate is a great idea but it needs to be balanced so that its a strategic tool instead of something that just gives an overwhelming advantage. I've always felt that we should be able to get units out of gateways faster and much slower from warpgates. This will mean that the player who uses the warpgates as gateways will have a unit production advantage while the player with warpgates will have a mobility advantage sacrificing unit production. Maybe some mod (Starbow ?) should try this out and see how it works.
Similarly collossi are just too mobile as seige units. Their mobility needs to be reduced to make and damage increased to make it such that they need to be baby sit all the time.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
July 27 2012 16:15 GMT
#4637
On July 28 2012 00:45 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 00:29 Figgy wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
No surprise that the ZvZ and PvP finals were the most boring to date lol.


You clearly forget Nestea vs Inca. And to that I say, you are a lucky man. Not just the worst finals, the worst match of the entire GSL history.

Yeah, or MKP charging into siege tanks 4times in a row against MVP.

Or Polt vs MMA. The the return of nonpositional TvT.

Or MC vs Rain. Or every second GSL finals.


MKP vs MVP was more of "where base trade fails"
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
July 27 2012 16:16 GMT
#4638
worst gsl final i've ever seen >.<
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 27 2012 16:22 GMT
#4639
On July 28 2012 01:16 zeross wrote:
worst gsl final i've ever seen >.<


Wow, how many have you seen? They have strung together some rather good ones as of late, but I would much rather watch this than quite a lot of the earlier ones.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 27 2012 16:31 GMT
#4640
On July 28 2012 01:22 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 01:16 zeross wrote:
worst gsl final i've ever seen >.<


Wow, how many have you seen? They have strung together some rather good ones as of late, but I would much rather watch this than quite a lot of the earlier ones.


This was definitely worse than Nestea v Inca and Nestea v Losira... the former was actually funny, the latter had some good play interspersed (Losira didn't play terribly, Nestea was just so good with every decision and whatnot). Game 5 wasn't bad but none of them really had any excitement.
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