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On July 27 2012 23:07 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 23:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. On July 27 2012 22:59 S_SienZ wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. Agreed. TvT and recent ZvZ esp when both sides go for different comps is very fun. On July 27 2012 23:00 Fubi wrote:On July 27 2012 22:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Mirror's sucked in BW too. Mirror's will always be crappy when you have entirely distinct races in an RTS. It's just an unfortunate part of Starcraft. TvT is actually really really good; I'd probably rank that as 2nd or 3rd best MU behind TvZ (the old TvZ anyways) People only started hating TvT cuz we had too many of them during GomTvT era; yes too much of something good can still be bad, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a good MU in itself Nah TvT is only good in face of how bad the other mirrors. It's definitely not random like the other mirrors and it's very strategical but it's very slow and boring. Good matchups are back and forth and full of multitasking. I believe a significant amount of people would rate TvT better than at least one of the non-mirror matchups. I personally enjoy TvT way more than PvZ, but that may be because I'm a Terran.
Basically everyone agrees that TvZ is the best matchup and that PvP and ZvZ are the worst. I think a lot of Terran's prefer TvT to PvZ but overall I definitely think you'd find it the 4th most popular matchup.
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grats seed even though the games werent quite entertaining
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Seeeeeeeeeeeeeed! Were the games good?
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On July 27 2012 23:17 s1ege wrote:
Seeeeeeeeeeeeeed! Were the games good?
No.
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On July 27 2012 23:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 23:07 monkybone wrote:On July 27 2012 23:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. On July 27 2012 22:59 S_SienZ wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. Agreed. TvT and recent ZvZ esp when both sides go for different comps is very fun. On July 27 2012 23:00 Fubi wrote:On July 27 2012 22:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Mirror's sucked in BW too. Mirror's will always be crappy when you have entirely distinct races in an RTS. It's just an unfortunate part of Starcraft. TvT is actually really really good; I'd probably rank that as 2nd or 3rd best MU behind TvZ (the old TvZ anyways) People only started hating TvT cuz we had too many of them during GomTvT era; yes too much of something good can still be bad, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a good MU in itself Nah TvT is only good in face of how bad the other mirrors. It's definitely not random like the other mirrors and it's very strategical but it's very slow and boring. Good matchups are back and forth and full of multitasking. I believe a significant amount of people would rate TvT better than at least one of the non-mirror matchups. I personally enjoy TvT way more than PvZ, but that may be because I'm a Terran. Basically everyone agrees that TvZ is the best matchup and that PvP and ZvZ are the worst. I think a lot of Terran's prefer TvT to PvZ but overall I definitely think you'd find it the 4th most popular matchup.
Personally I'd rank TvT as number 2 only behind TvZ, with ZvZ and TvP behind in that order.
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On July 27 2012 23:19 monkybone wrote:
Last game was decent.
last game was the worst imo, at least first two games were fun even if very short and one sided
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Guys the quality of any Finals is highly dependent on the players performances. (Think back to Nestea/Inca, MC/July, MC/Rain). The Finals sucks because the players' planned strategies for winning didn't coincide with providing a good spectating experience for the audience, not because of PvP.
PvP when it was 4gate/4gate had 1% chance of providing a good Finals and today's PvP is so evolved that there's a decent chance of providing a good Finals experience (maybe like 40-50%). Now even the most ardent Protoss fans will agree that PvP has a higher volatility than the other matchups (maybe except for ZvZ) for providing shitty games because of how unforgiving the matchup is. That combined with a lesser known player who had almost no fans until the bracket stages winning resulted in a shitty Finals for most of the people watching, not just "cuz PvP."
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On July 27 2012 23:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 23:07 monkybone wrote:On July 27 2012 23:03 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. On July 27 2012 22:59 S_SienZ wrote:On July 27 2012 22:58 monkybone wrote:
Mirrors are crappy?
what!?
TvT is glorious! And ZvZ as of late has been pretty entertaining. Agreed. TvT and recent ZvZ esp when both sides go for different comps is very fun. On July 27 2012 23:00 Fubi wrote:On July 27 2012 22:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Mirror's sucked in BW too. Mirror's will always be crappy when you have entirely distinct races in an RTS. It's just an unfortunate part of Starcraft. TvT is actually really really good; I'd probably rank that as 2nd or 3rd best MU behind TvZ (the old TvZ anyways) People only started hating TvT cuz we had too many of them during GomTvT era; yes too much of something good can still be bad, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a good MU in itself Nah TvT is only good in face of how bad the other mirrors. It's definitely not random like the other mirrors and it's very strategical but it's very slow and boring. Good matchups are back and forth and full of multitasking. I believe a significant amount of people would rate TvT better than at least one of the non-mirror matchups. I personally enjoy TvT way more than PvZ, but that may be because I'm a Terran. Basically everyone agrees that TvZ is the best matchup and that PvP and ZvZ are the worst. I think a lot of Terran's prefer TvT to PvZ but overall I definitely think you'd find it the 4th most popular matchup.
Times change, imo ZvZ is really awesome nowadays. For me it feels like the average entertainment ranking goes like this: TvZ > PvT > ZvZ > TvT > PvZ > PvP. That being said PvP can be awesome and PvZ can be awesome, but both of them mostly aren't imo.
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I'm curious if anyone here who knows Korean could translate what MC tweeted. I'm curious to hear what he had to say and Google translate does not do a very good job 
First tweet:
현장까지 찾아와주시고 응원해주신 팬여러분들 정말 감사드리구요 흥행이 망했네 어쩌니 하지만 이곳까지 와주신 소수의 팬분들이 더 소중하게 느껴지는 하루였습니다 한국까지 와준 민식이형 어머니 고생한 여자친구 작가 쫑님 곰티비 스텝분들 모두 수고하셨습니다
Second:
아직 끝난게 아닙니다 다시 올라올께요 ^_^ 끝으로 상원이형 축하하고 다음에 다시 만나면 부.숴.버.리.겠.다 내일 wcg에서 뵈요
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Will watching these games improve my PvP on ladder? I have like a sub 30% win rate in that match up now. I can't tell when to be greedy or when to be aggressive.
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On July 27 2012 23:32 s1ege wrote:
Will watching these games improve my PvP on ladder? I have like a sub 30% win rate in that match up now. I can't tell when to be greedy or when to be aggressive.
You can do the build Seed did in Game1/2 every PvP and probably have like a 80% win rate(it's really simple to execute)
that said probably everyone who watched GSL today will be doing that build
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As a person at the actual live event. Looking back on it I definatey would have watched again, hell, I'd even pay for it. Getting to smash two baloons thingy together and making some noise with fellow sc2 fans made my holiday. Experiencing the live tention in all the games, and just the tention in general. I got to meet Artosis and Tasteless and even a picture with them was awesome. I also met Mr. Chae<3
Ofc most people couldn't be there in person but I still think GOM put up a great show despite the somewhat bad games, and this finals definately should not discourage people when it comes to visiting korea for GSL or even watching at home. GOM put up a good show with fuckin fireworks and shit man, it was sooo awesome.
Thank you GOM for the awesome event and making the best out of the games, and making my travel to korea sooo worth it
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On July 27 2012 23:30 Vaftrudner wrote:I'm curious if anyone here who knows Korean could translate what MC tweeted. I'm curious to hear what he had to say and Google translate does not do a very good job First tweet: 현장까지 찾아와주시고 응원해주신 팬여러분들 정말 감사드리구요 흥행이 망했네 어쩌니 하지만 이곳까지 와주신 소수의 팬분들이 더 소중하게 느껴지는 하루였습니다 한국까지 와준 민식이형 어머니 고생한 여자친구 작가 쫑님 곰티비 스텝분들 모두 수고하셨습니다 Second: 아직 끝난게 아닙니다 다시 올라올께요 ^_^ 끝으로 상원이형 축하하고 다음에 다시 만나면 부.숴.버.리.겠.다 내일 wcg에서 뵈요
First tweet:
Thank to all fans who even went to busan to cheer for me. After i lost that way this day, I feel the preciousness of my fans. I want to thank Minsik hyung(SK.reis), who came extra to korea for the final, my mother, my girlfriend and gomtv staff.
Second tweet:
Its not the end, i will get to the top again ^_^ At the end i want to congratulate IM.Seed. If we meet again(in a match) I am going to C.R.U.S.H you. See you tomorrow at WCG
edit: congratulate not thank...
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TvZ (just, slipping though with every passing day)-> TvT-> ZvZ->TvP->PvP-> PvZ (only because i've seen so much of it lately at foreign tourneys and it's just so fucking boring most of the time)
ZvZ is definitely on the up for me and tvt has always been really good, definitely never seen it as stale.
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On July 27 2012 22:50 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 22:25 ImNightmare wrote:
lol, knew it, PvP just sucks for a final. And people were still confident it would be epic. If its just a Bo3 it might still be exciting. This is why I say protoss needs a huge overhaul. Warp in makes boring games. Buff gateway units, remove warp gate mechanic and instantly everything becomes nice to watch but nooooo.. blizzard wants their warpgate. sigh... I think warpgates are ok . Just you need to remove warpins from pylons and put the warping only around gates + nexus and for warp prism only.
Hmmm...but then they would just warp in a gateway, since toss players normally build two pylons near the enemy base for warp in timing attacks, it would cost just 50 minerals more if they decide to build a gateway instead of pylon. Imo, toss needs a new macro mechanic. but that would fuck up everything.  wish they had tested it out first ah well, hopes HoTs fix everything. And quickly. Or BW fans are just gonna ignore sc2.
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my rankings ---> ZvT, ZvP, ZvZ, TvZ, PvP, TvT
TvT is the worst by far, so boring. i hate seeing marines shooting other marines.
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On July 27 2012 23:42 brainox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 23:30 Vaftrudner wrote:I'm curious if anyone here who knows Korean could translate what MC tweeted. I'm curious to hear what he had to say and Google translate does not do a very good job First tweet: 현장까지 찾아와주시고 응원해주신 팬여러분들 정말 감사드리구요 흥행이 망했네 어쩌니 하지만 이곳까지 와주신 소수의 팬분들이 더 소중하게 느껴지는 하루였습니다 한국까지 와준 민식이형 어머니 고생한 여자친구 작가 쫑님 곰티비 스텝분들 모두 수고하셨습니다 Second: 아직 끝난게 아닙니다 다시 올라올께요 ^_^ 끝으로 상원이형 축하하고 다음에 다시 만나면 부.숴.버.리.겠.다 내일 wcg에서 뵈요 First tweet: Thank to all fans who even went to busan to cheer for me. After i lost that way this day, I feel the preciousness of my fans. I want to thank Minsik hyung(SK.reis), who came extra to korea for the final, my mother, my girlfriend and gomtv staff. Second tweet: Its not the end, i will get to the top again ^_^ At the end i want to thank IM.Seed. If we meet again(in a match) I am going to C.R.U.S.H you. See you tomorrow at WCG
Thanks a lot! If anyone's curious, and it shouldn't be news to anyone that it's horrible, this is what Google Translate produced for the first tweet:
+ Show Spoiler +I came to the scene gave cheer haejusin paenyeoreobundeul thank you for coming to the box office two're doomed, like everybody here, but precious few that fans feel better was a day to Korea wajun troubled girlfriend, mother, writer Min Sik release jjongnim Thank you all staffs logged gomtibi
Nice to hear that he's in a reasonably good mood!
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I forgot that the finals were tonight so I just checked the VODS. Took me 15 minutes to see everything that happened -.-
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