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TaeJa vs. Squirtle - ESV TV Grand Prix #2 Finals - Page 9

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Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
July 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#161
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.


And marines attack with much higher rate and there is more of them. If you're trying to do the math... don't.
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#162
OK fuck it... I'm just going to say what everyone's thinking... we've seen it for a while and it's dangerous to get caught in a maelstrom of excitement to over-hype BUT... + Show Spoiler +
Taeja IS the next Zerg Bonjwa
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#163
On July 29 2012 10:56 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.



Doesn't matter, Terran has more DPS.


I don't know actually.
I think the dps difference is smaller at 3-3 vs 3-0-3 than at 0-0 against 0-0-0
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
July 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#164
squirtle getting torn apart lol
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Anuzi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
192 Posts
July 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#165
Who was that in the background of TLO's video? ;o
Probasaur
Profile Joined August 2011
United States461 Posts
July 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#166
Where is TLO casting from?? Looked like a korean behind him
"He who makes a beast of himself.... gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Hunter S Thompson.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#167
On July 29 2012 10:57 Asmodeusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.


And marines attack with much higher rate and there is more of them. If you're trying to do the math... don't.


I'm not trying to do math, I'm bad at it. :p
I just remembered the qxc article about that subject, that's why.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#168
Protoss is gonna have to change how they play PvT.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Emmiej
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands62 Posts
July 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#169
Really enjoying these games so far !
'Never admit defeat and ask for a quick death! Die first, then admit defeat!'
13th Marine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 02:00:46
July 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#170
haha TaeJa(?) waving at TLO's webcam...
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
July 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#171
On July 29 2012 10:58 Havik_ wrote:
Protoss is gonna have to change how they play PvT...

... against Taeja

:p
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
July 29 2012 02:00 GMT
#172
Wtf is Ohana Taeja's kryptonite?
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 29 2012 02:00 GMT
#173
On July 29 2012 10:56 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 10:54 Whatson wrote:
On July 29 2012 10:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:
How is TaeJa not in a GSL finals with this level of play?

Taeja owns the ESV Weeklys. He doesn't do as well in GSL

Code S ro8 not too bad :D

Assuming I'm not wrong about that, anyway. Could be T_T

Well I worded that kinda badly. I think Taeja is like HerO, plays really really well online, shows flashes of incredible brilliance during LANs at times (DH, MLG), but can't seem to get the same results in the GSL booth.
Then again, you have to look at the level of competition Taeja lost to the last two GSLs, Squirtle and MC are top-tier Protosses, both runner-ups their respective seasons. You typically don't see that during an ESV, sad to say.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#174
On July 29 2012 10:58 Havik_ wrote:
Protoss is gonna have to change how they play PvT.

Or perhaps Squirtle does.
Refer to my post.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#175
Taeja is so good. He's not letting Squirtle get the army he wants or the attacks he wants. Taeja pretty much got to do whatever he wanted without any interference.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10005 Posts
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#176
On July 29 2012 11:01 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 10:58 Havik_ wrote:
Protoss is gonna have to change how they play PvT.

Or perhaps Squirtle does.

But only against Taeja.
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transcendent one
Profile Joined July 2012
251 Posts
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#177
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.


technically true, but terran will have waaaay more marauders/vikings etc (the better scaling units) than toss' better scaling units (colossus/archon). zealots scale just like marines and stalkers scale worse than marauders, and that will be the bulk of the army
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#178
On July 29 2012 10:58 Havik_ wrote:
Protoss is gonna have to change how they play PvT.

DT, HT, Archon, colossus, .. drops!! Basicly start dropping too!
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#179
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.



and marines are 1 supply and have insane dps. zealots can be kited so they never even touch a bio ball. Bio ball 3 3 upgrades pretty much beat everything straight up (not including spells) Only saving grace for protoss and zerg is getting fungal off or storm (which is very very strong, dont get me wrong this isnt a balance whine or anything)


If your going to compare upgrades, compare cost (food and resources) and unit useability along with the actual damage increase
Whynaut
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 02:04:36
July 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#180
On July 29 2012 10:55 Noocta wrote:
But TLO.. protoss units get more from attack ( colossi get +2 to two attacks, zealots get +1 to two attacks, archons get like +3 per upgrades )
Marines get +1 and marauder get +2.

qxc made an article about that.. higher upgrades are better for protoss than terran.


Not as simple as you make it. What matters is the percentage change in DPS (and since attack speed never changes, we can just use the % increase in dmg per attack).

Marines have a larger % increase than zealots (1/6 vs. 2/16) and way larger than colossi (4/30) and archons (4/35). They actually are one of the largest benificiaries from higher upgrades in the game.

Marauders, though, get screwed over (2/20) and have by far the worst % increase of any units other than stalkers.

This is part of why more marine-heavy compositions are more popular lategame amongst pros.



Also, P armor upgrades only affect 1/2 - 2/3 of unit HP. So there's that too.
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