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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HsD9W.png) Thursday, Jul 19 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_OnGameNet_Starleague_Season_1/Preliminaries/KeSPA ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2w49v2x.png) + Show Spoiler [Group A] + + Show Spoiler [Group B] + + Show Spoiler [Group C] + + Show Spoiler [Group D] + + Show Spoiler [Group E] + + Show Spoiler [Group F] + + Show Spoiler [Group G] + + Show Spoiler [Group H] + + Show Spoiler [Group I] + + Show Spoiler [Group J] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cbVOl.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
Results might be a bit more difficult to follow live for the kespa prelims since we can't bnet profile stalk like we did with the non-kespa prelims, but we can still follow on various twitters and korean news sites! | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1676 Posts
just to clarify, top 4 of this OSL got seeded into this tournament right? flash fantasy jangbi zero? | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
 I am rooting so much for  The Bird. But I am afraid given how SC2 is volatile for Kespa players it may go very weird there and for example Lizzy advancing over  BaBy, Leta, FBH, Stork. Which would be bad for ESPORTS(jk).Trivia. Stork last time was in OSL prelims in 2007... ;]yay OSL! just to clarify, top 4 of this OSL got seeded into this tournament right? flash fantasy jangbi zero? Answer: spoilers from BW OSL + Show Spoiler + Flash and Zero into ODT (Dual Tournament). Jangbi, Fantasy into RO16 | ||
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-FoX
United States479 Posts
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 18 2012 03:19 -FoX wrote: This is gonna be crazy, can't wait to see how all these BW pros do in SC2. It will be easier to answer when we see who managed to pass prelims +ODT. But any Kespa player is in disadvantage vs current OSL SC2 players who managed to pass ODT. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Sun. Most consistent player in the group, I think light and action could both threaten though. Group B: Baby. Group of death! I think Lizzy's time is already over and Stork and Baby have both looked great lately, though I think Stork has a potentially harder run and Baby looks strong at every part of SC2. Group C: Soulkey. Not a given but probably the most solid player in the group despite his recent ace match slide. Group D: Effort. Practically unstoppable. Will be interesting to see if Shy can qualify though and back up his win for Kespa in the first ready action matches. Group E: hrm, Mini? I don't really know for this group, I almost want to just say that Bisu will pull it out of the hat without the broadcast pressure and a doable group. Group F: Jaedong I have faith! Plus he looks good lately in SC2. That and I think only Reality really poses a big threat in terms of typical level of play. Group G: Roro He should crush this group if he plays like in PL. Group H: Jaehoon He actually looks pretty strong the last couple of weeks. Tough one to call. Group I: Dunno! I like Bogus, he keeps playing good games but falling just short...so I'm going to pick him to actually string it together lol Group J: Flying or Hyvaa Whoever has the better PvZ. === Really it's hard to tell only seeing a game or two of SC2 tops every couple of weeks. | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Light. By.Sun is ok, but Woongjin Terran + Coach Ryu Won...so imbaGroup B: BaBy. The most impressive terran out of all the Kespa players so far by quite a bit imo. Group of death though. Group C:  Neo.G_Soulkey. Of all the better players in the proleague so far, he's probably looked the shakiest. Still awesome, and fun to watch as well.Group D: Fuuuuuck. sHy? EffOrt? Rooting for sHy either way >_>Group E: I remember Wooki getting some decent wins. No one really stands out here except Bisu, and that's not for a good reason :pGroup F: StarDuuuuuuust. Or maybe not, but I hope he does so he can show the world some glorious Airtoss. Jaedong's probably gonna make it through.Group G: RorO sc2 bonjwaGroup H: hOn_sin. July terran. Group I: herO[jOin] probably?Group J: Flying <3All in all, no idea what will actually happen. Should be fun times, I've already got my F5 button ready! | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
Group B: BaBy > Stork > Leta > Lizzy > Firebathero > Modesty > Sacsri > Fokins > Hudadak Group C: Soulkey > GuemChi > Shuttle > Sea > SoO > Hydra > Acacia > Chavi > YooTaeHo > Yourosia In terms of how likely they are to win I think. I'll figure out more later. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Okay guys is ro16 gonna be standard OSL-y from that point on or would it wear some other style of format? I believe it's another group format then and once it hits ro8 it goes into bo5. I might be wrong though. | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Okay guys is ro16 gonna be standard OSL-y from that point on or would it wear some other style of format? When it gets down to eight GSL players and eight OSL players, the two sides merge to make a Ro16. Then a nomination group process will happen which will be pretty surreal seeing KESPA and GSL players interacting. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
What if all Kespa players get eliminated by GSL in the Ro16. I worry if GSL players go for some new tricky strategies that Kespa players haven't seen and practiced before, then Kespa players may have a hard time adapt to, since their experiences in SC2 are still thin. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 18 2012 07:17 larse wrote: Wooo, the surreal reality. What if all Kespa players get eliminated by GSL in the Ro16. I worry if GSL players go for some new tricky strategies that Kespa players haven't seen and practiced before, then Kespa players may have a hard time adapt to, since their experiences in SC2 are still thin. I think there will be a few KeSPA player vs KeSPA player matchups in the Ro16 depending on how the group selection lottery goes, so hopefully at least a few KeSPA players make it into the Ro8 or beyond. If we're lucky, maybe there might be an all-KeSPA group by chance or a group where a KeSPA player has a good chance of advancing. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 18 2012 06:47 Fionn wrote: When it gets down to eight GSL players and eight OSL players, the two sides merge to make a Ro16. Then a nomination group process will happen which will be pretty surreal seeing KESPA and GSL players interacting. Yeah that'll be pretty epic to see GSL and OSL players. Will be very exciting to see how it goes ^_^ | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 18 2012 03:29 mordk wrote: This isn't in the calendar? When does this start? i don't know the time, so i can't add it. there's no stream anyway afaik sigh On July 18 2012 06:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Okay guys is ro16 gonna be standard OSL-y from that point on or would it wear some other style of format? ro16 is 4x4 group stages, i think bo5 after that. | ||
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F0rlorn
Canada74 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:22 AndAgain wrote: Is this really not streamed? What a tragedy. I know right!!! I'm facepalming right now. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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GTR
51424 Posts
Also remember to follow me as I'll be tweeting results and tidbits through out the day. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 18 2012 21:55 GTR wrote: I'm currently compiling potential interview questions for tomorrow's OSL qualifier. If you have a question that you want to ask, please tweet at me (@TL_GTR), and we may use it. No guarantees though. Also remember to follow me as I'll be tweeting results and tidbits through out the day. tweeted you a few  thanks GTR!! looking forward to coverage | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:35 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: Jaedong. I BELIEVE! Anyone who doubt about Jaedong should consult. | ||
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Michaels
419 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:22 AndAgain wrote: Is this really not streamed? What a tragedy. They are not allowed to stream it because blizzard and gomtvt dont want to. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:52 Michaels wrote: They are not allowed to stream it because blizzard and gomtvt dont want to. Source? Or are you just assuming things. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
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Koesader
Netherlands424 Posts
I'm hoping for Sun, Stork, Soulkey, EffOrt, Bisu, JD, RorO, Jaehoon/BeSt, Bogus and Flying | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 07:05 eviltomahawk wrote: Source? Or are you just assuming things. During the Non-Kespa prelims, Moletrap asked one of the managers at the event why there wasn't any international coverage yet, and he was told that it was because Blizzard had not given them permission to start an english stream until the beginning of the OSL, which is considered the Ro16. Thus the source is Moletrap's twitter and the Non-Kespa Prelims thread, somewhere. | ||
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larse
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On July 19 2012 07:31 MCXD wrote: During the Non-Kespa prelims, Moletrap asked one of the managers at the event why there wasn't any international coverage yet, and he was told that it was because Blizzard had not given them permission to start an english stream until the beginning of the OSL, which is considered the Ro16. Thus the source is Moletrap's twitter and the Non-Kespa Prelims thread, somewhere. I believe what he said was that OSL would've liked to allow it be streamed, but they didn't bother to get permission from Blizzard. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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Ripeace
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 Flash already looks really solid, after winning the MLG Kespa tournament. At the moment the Kespa players really play the meta game, I'm curious how they will do against GSL players who often bring new strategy into their play that Kespa players have maybe not seen on ladder... | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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renezerg
Peru186 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
That's all I have to say about this | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:19 opterown wrote: jaedong is actually playing pretty decently in SPL :D Yeah JD has won the last two ace matches in a row in SPL against good players, soulkey and trap. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:40 Dodgin wrote: Yeah JD has won the last two ace matches in a row in SPL against good players, soulkey and trap. 3 in a row He beat GuemChi too. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:40 Dodgin wrote: Yeah JD has won the last two ace matches in a row in SPL against good players, soulkey and trap. They all get bodied by MVP's zerg xD I don't think I'm going to get over that anytime soon. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But I wonder whether this is going to be a Zerg fest, given the state of the game. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:48 MCXD wrote: Are any of the korean e-sports sites going to have updating brackets? I'm looking right now, not found anything so far. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
here's a list of SPL sc2 games: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/2838_SKP12_Proleague_S2/games On July 19 2012 10:36 renezerg wrote: So it begins ^^ , will there be any stream? doubt it o.O | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:53 Talionis wrote: I'm looking right now, not found anything so far. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano/Sandbox1 in External Links LevelTory Brackets and groups on dailyesports.com | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:58 DiMano wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano/Sandbox1 in External Links LevelTory Brackets and groups on dailyesports.com cheers tyty | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:58 DiMano wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano/Sandbox1 in External Links LevelTory Brackets and groups on dailyesports.com Awesome, thanks! Couldn't find the leveltory links for myself >_< Looks like we've got plenty of F5 material now. Just another hour till it starts? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
so sad we can't bnet stalk, unless we know kespa bnet profiles haha. that was really fun last time, f5 about 10 different progamer bnet profiles at once | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
On July 19 2012 10:18 Ripeace wrote: Jaedong looked really tired in the few last SPL, I think he is probably training really hard (he shows great matchs)! Also his play really improved, he stopped to only go for mass roach (à la Stephano) and started to play more like DRG with the roach/lings into muta style. I'm pretty sure after going to the MLG and seeing DRG win, he realised than mutas are pretty good in ZvP. Flash already looks really solid, after winning the MLG Kespa tournament. At the moment the Kespa players really play the meta game, I'm curious how they will do against GSL players who often bring new strategy into their play that Kespa players have maybe not seen on ladder... holy crap...how did i miss this MLG kespa... Thank you!!! BRB hibernating till I finish watching http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/89738-rd1-stork-vs-flash-game-1 | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:07 opterown wrote: just about, yep so sad we can't bnet stalk, unless we know kespa bnet profiles haha. that was really fun last time, f5 about 10 different progamer bnet profiles at once There are a couple of IDs that stick out, like http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3875231/1/TheEightJD/ But it's probably not worth checking them because of the sea of barcodes. :p | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:12 Talionis wrote: There are a couple of IDs that stick out, like http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3875231/1/TheEightJD/ But it's probably not worth checking them because of the sea of barcodes. :p Yep, that is the sad part about players using barcodes, not being able to stalk results. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:29 EffectS wrote: Is there a stream or something? Nope just twitter updates and f5ing the brackets on leveltory. | ||
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nmetasch
United States600 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:30 Kieofire wrote: Nope just twitter updates and f5ing the brackets on leveltory. Can you link me? Is leveltory a Korean site? | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:51 nmetasch wrote: Can you link me? Is leveltory a Korean site? Yes it is, here is the link: http://leveltory.com/osl3 | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
Group D is for Death. :D EffOrt and sHy, oh boy. | ||
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GTR
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
is it all ten groups at once? :o | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
Group A: I'm going to go with Iris solely out of BW fanboyism. Group B: Leta. Lizzy's time is over already. Everyone else is struggling. Group C: Soulkey. Group D: Piano's decent Group E: Despite having never won an SC2 game in proleague yet, this is Bisu's OSL. I can feel it. Group F: Jaedong. Maybe Stats Group G: Roro Group H: I guess Calm Group I: hero[join] somehow gets knocked out twice. Group J: Hyvaa | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:26 opterown wrote: nice ^^ is it all ten groups at once? :o This is just speculation, but I would say five now, then a break, then the next five later tonight. That's how it's usually run at these sorts of preliminaries. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Group A: Rain Group B: Leta/BaBy Group C: Soulkey Group D: EffOrt Group E: Mini Group F: Reality/Jaedong Group G: RorO Group H: BeSt/Jaehoon Group I: herO Group J: hyvaa | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
OGN is broadcasting some sucky reality show at the moment. What a waste of resources. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AyIusdECcAARPPG.jpg) setting up! | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:31 Talionis wrote: If hyvaa makes it through they should ask him in an interview if we'll ever get to see him spreading creep from the middle of the map again. That was baller as hell. hah, I doubt it. I really wonder if he tried this on ladder or if it was just a mind game. I know if that happened to me I would be really afraid, but it wasn't at all effective. | ||
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larse
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
A: 1. Sun, 2. Turn, 3. Action B: 1. Baby, 2. Lizzy, 3. Leta C: 1. Soulkey, 2. Acacia, 3. No One Else D: 1. Effort, 2. Shy, 3. No One E: 1. Mini, 2. Wooki, 3. Bisu F: 1. Jaedong, 2. Reality, 3. Stats G: 1. Roro, 2. Last, 3. Paralyze H: 1. Jaehoon, 2. Horang2, 3. Best I: 1. Crazy-Hydra, 2. Hero, 3. Bogus J: 1. hyvaa , 2. Flying, 3. Hoejja | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AyIxuEyCQAEnhSd.jpg) Here we go! Jaedong and Bisu sitting next to each other | ||
Grampz
United States2147 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:39 Fionn wrote: Time for some expert Fionn curse predictions: A: 1. Sun, 2. Turn, 3. Action B: 1. Baby, 2. Lizzy, 3. Leta C: 1. Soulkey, 2. Acacia, 3. No One Else D: 1. Effort, 2. Shy, 3. No One E: 1. Mini, 2. Wooki, 3. Bisu F: 1. Jaedong, 2. Reality, 3. Stats G: 1. Roro, 2. Last, 3. Paralyze H: 1. Jaehoon, 2. Horang2, 3. Best I: 1. Crazy-Hydra, 2. Hero, 3. Bogus J: 1. hyvaa , 2. Flying, 3. Hoejja maybe bisu might actually qualify now | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
This is Bisu's OSL! | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I want to see Soulkey vs Mvp :> | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
[This] is always Bisu's OSL | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:51 lichter wrote: I hope By.Sun and Soulkey advance. I want to see Soulkey vs Mvp :> No thanks, if Mvp can beat him easily with Zerg he will just make Soulkey roll over while he plays Terran. :p | ||
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kjwcj
Australia1064 Posts
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GTR
51424 Posts
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thepaz
France31 Posts
B.Stork C.Soulkey D.Effort E.Bisu ( Or not coz it's Osl baby )F.Jaedong (hope Stats...) G.Roro H.Best I.Crazy-Hydra J.Lefty | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? Bisu pls! Second choice, Stork. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? Jaedong would be nice! | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? Soulkey please ! :D | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? BISU please But this time it is Bisu's OSL, for real! ( I'm not entirely confident in it either don't worry ) | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AyI1Sg6CQAAZp8K.jpg) | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:44 Talionis wrote: rROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL bw fans know why I'm laughing | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? EffOrt and JD | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: I will dedicate a heart only for you if you could get Soulkey.Any players people want FPVs recorded of? | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? THE DONG PLEASE! | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1676 Posts
Rain , EffOrt, JD, Bisu | ||
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oBlade
United States5500 Posts
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TGS.FuzzyGuard
United States14 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:57 N.geNuity wrote: ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL bw fans know why I'm laughing Is that Shine on Bisu's left? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:57 N.geNuity wrote: ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL bw fans know why I'm laughing is that shine next to him LOL | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
He's in between Jaedong and Shine. | ||
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GTR
51424 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Edit: and I was sniped by the man himself. | ||
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F0rlorn
Canada74 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:52 GTR wrote: Any players people want FPVs recorded of? If possible, BaBy please! | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:06 TommyP wrote: Why such a shit map pool? Because KeSPA did not create their own ones and can use only Blizzard maps. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
if you record BaBy, i will give you my firstborn child | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:06 TommyP wrote: Why such a shit map pool? map pool is actually decently balanced | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:06 TommyP wrote: Why such a shit map pool? Because of the Hybrid PL they want to use the maps they'll be most familiar with from laddering so there's no extra effort required. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
It's really not. Proleague has an awful map pool, as does the coming OSL. DRG even talked about it recently. Entombed Valley is the only good map they are using and it's not that great. Though I must say there aren't many maps in SC2 that are good at this point. Daybreak is by far the superstar, though, so it's disappointing that they didn't include that. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:06 TommyP wrote: Why such a shit map pool? Those 3 are actually pretty solid maps, if a little stale and old. Imagine if it were Metropolis-Daybreak-Whirlwind. That would be a pretty terrible 3-map pool. Edit: Actually, it only looks ok when I'm trying to think of a better 3-map pool. I don't think it's possible to really come up with a good one. The GSL map pool only looks really good because there are 8 maps to choose from even in Bo3. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:10 Clefairy wrote: Because of the Hybrid PL they want to use the maps they'll be most familiar with from laddering so there's no extra effort required. This, also because they are newer to the scene they might not know what the best maps would of been to use. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:11 oOOoOphidian wrote: It's really not. Proleague has an awful map pool, as does the coming OSL. DRG even talked about it recently. Entombed Valley is the only good map they are using and it's not that great. most other maps they could use are more imbalanced e.g. CK, metropolis, whirlwind, atlantis etc. unless you want to use like shakuras or something lol | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:07 DiMano wrote: Because KeSPA did not create their own ones and can use only Blizzard maps. So Kespa players can actually practice on the ladder and catch up. And the maps are definitely selected to disfavor zerg, due to the recent winrate. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:13 larse wrote: So Kespa players can actually practice on the ladder and catch up. And the maps are definitely selected to disfavor zerg, due to the recent winrate. winrates on these map are actually quite even for zerg, it's just that all the other maps are zerg-favourable so zerg players want them in | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:13 opterown wrote: most other maps they could use are more imbalanced e.g. CK, metropolis, whirlwind, atlantis etc. unless you want to use like shakuras or something lol I agree, SC2 just doesn't have many good maps. I am just sad they didn't use Daybreak. Tal'Darim Altar isn't well balanced, but with some minor changes it could produce great games that are different from those on all these small maps. In particular, Ohana makes really bad games and so does Antiga. Cloud Kingdom doesn't have the best balance, but the games are much better and we've seen many in proleague. | ||
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bLecK
Australia625 Posts
Cheering for Hoejja! ^^ | ||
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GTR
51424 Posts
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_Proto_
United States157 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:19 oOOoOphidian wrote: I agree, SC2 just doesn't have many good maps. I am just sad they didn't use Daybreak. Tal'Darim Altar isn't well balanced, but with some minor changes it could produce great games that are different from those on all these small maps. In particular, Ohana makes really bad games and so does Antiga. Cloud Kingdom doesn't have the best balance, but the games are much better and we've seen many in proleague. I know we are not suppose to talk about balance in LR thread. But Antiga is a Terran faovr map, and Ohana and Entombed Valley have the rock to the third, which can be seen as intentional selection to contain zerg, due to the recent winrate. I think the map selection is smart. | ||
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On July 19 2012 13:27 larse wrote: I know we are not suppose to talk about balance in LR thread. But Antiga is a Terran faovr map, and Ohana and Entombed Valley have the rock to the third, which can be seen as intentional selection to contain zerg, due to the recent winrate. I think the map selection is smart. It's hard to say. Protoss has been profiting well from this map pool and Terrans are still losing a lot even with Antiga. I just think the maps are poorly chosen to show good games, regardless of balance. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:13 opterown wrote: most other maps they could use are more imbalanced e.g. CK, metropolis, whirlwind, atlantis etc. unless you want to use like shakuras or something lol Whirlwind statistically is near 50% in ALL match ups interestingly enough. That's not more broken then the current map pool proleague is using. Metropolis/atlantis are obviously bad for terran and stuff but whirlwind statistically so far it's very balanced and has so far produced some really nice games ^_^ | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 19 2012 13:19 bLecK wrote: Shame it's not being streamed ): Cheering for Hoejja! ^^ BroeJJa! hes the bro man. | ||
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larse
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On July 19 2012 13:30 oOOoOphidian wrote: It's hard to say. Protoss has been profiting well from this map pool and Terrans are still losing a lot even with Antiga. I just think the maps are poorly chosen to show good games, regardless of balance. I think it's pretty subjective. I think Antiga and Entombed Valley produced better games. And their wide-open central area really give me the BW feeling. And I have to say even though there have been good games in Daybreak and Cloud Kingdom, I generally don't think their games are better than Antiga and Entombed. BTW, thanks for all the SPL HD streams. | ||
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Clefairy
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eRdum.jpg) Jaedong struggling with getting graphics settings the same as in practice while Bisu switched PCs because his was laggy. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:33 blade55555 wrote: Whirlwind statistically is near 50% in ALL match ups interestingly enough. That's not more broken then the current map pool proleague is using. Metropolis/atlantis are obviously bad for terran and stuff but whirlwind statistically so far it's very balanced and has so far produced some really nice games ^_^ Yeah. If anything, huge distances help terran spread the opponent out with multiple attacks and drops while securing many bases. Kind of like what people love about BW. Bad maps make bad games. Imagine if we were still watching sc2 on Steppes of War or Lost Temple? I mean I suppose variety is the biggest thing. In BW maps like Monty Hall had terrible balance, but produced interesting/exciting games due to creativity of the players and most importantly because every map was not like them. | ||
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dark_dragoon10
United States299 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:38 Clefairy wrote: Hey look it's Cezanne and (maybe?) TheWind! Jaedong struggling with getting graphics settings the same as in practice while Bisu switched PCs because his was laggy. JAEDONG JAEDONG JAEDONG!!!!! | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:33 blade55555 wrote: Whirlwind statistically is near 50% in ALL match ups interestingly enough. That's not more broken then the current map pool proleague is using. Metropolis/atlantis are obviously bad for terran and stuff but whirlwind statistically so far it's very balanced and has so far produced some really nice games ^_^ I am really curious about the breakdown on winrates on that map (anyone have it?). In my opinion the map has two key features that together (and only together) might make it very balanced even in the long run: it is HUGE and has a wide open center with expansions on the edges of the map. This benefits Zerg in the early and mid game, but bad for late game BroodLord-Infestor. Protoss have a fairly easy time getting to three bases, and the map's size makes the most of the warpgate mechanic. It's also good for Terran because expansions go outward and are easy to drop, while wide open spaces allow better bio concaves and spreads against splash damage. I really would like to see someone make an even larger map with a wide open center with similar base placement and see what happens with map balance. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1676 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:41 Krallman wrote: Flash wont participate cuz of bw osl? seed from RO4 | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:41 Krallman wrote: Flash wont participate cuz of bw osl? He already has a seed I believe. Same goes for all ro4 in OSL from what I recall. So Jangbi/Fantasy/Flash/ZerO got in. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:42 lichter wrote: I am really curious about the breakdown on winrates on that map (anyone have it?). In my opinion the map has two key features that together (and only together) might make it very balanced even in the long run: it is HUGE and has a wide open center with expansions on the edges of the map. This benefits Zerg in the early and mid game, but bad for late game BroodLord-Infestor. Protoss have a fairly easy time getting to three bases, and the map's size makes the most of the warpgate mechanic. It's also good for Terran because expansions go outward and are easy to drop, while wide open spaces allow better bio concaves and spreads against splash damage. I really would like to see someone make an even larger map with a wide open center with similar base placement and see what happens with map balance. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/550_Crux_Whirlwind/games | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:41 Krallman wrote: Flash wont participate cuz of bw osl? Flash already in the dual tournie due to being in Ro4 of previous OSL | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:42 lichter wrote: I am really curious about the breakdown on winrates on that map (anyone have it?). In my opinion the map has two key features that together (and only together) might make it very balanced even in the long run: it is HUGE and has a wide open center with expansions on the edges of the map. This benefits Zerg in the early and mid game, but bad for late game BroodLord-Infestor. Protoss have a fairly easy time getting to three bases, and the map's size makes the most of the warpgate mechanic. It's also good for Terran because expansions go outward and are easy to drop, while wide open spaces allow better bio concaves and spreads against splash damage. I really would like to see someone make an even larger map with a wide open center with similar base placement and see what happens with map balance. Good points. One problem that Calm Before the Storm had was the ridiculously large number of chokes, small number of attack paths, and no open areas to engage in. The best way to punish deathball play is to have many attack paths and open areas, as well as spread apart bases. Whirlwind has these features and has so far shown great games for all races. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:42 opterown wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/550_Crux_Whirlwind/games I want game time breakdown too, I wish that were available. Not a lot of games so far but hopefully the trend continues. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:43 lichter wrote: Flash already in the dual tournie due to being in Ro4 of previous OSL 10 qualifiers today + Zero + Flash --> 12 man ODT --> 6 move on Those 6 + Fantasy + Jangbi + MVP, Oz, DRG, San + 4 more 'GOM' qualifers from ODT group C and D. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:42 lichter wrote: I am really curious about the breakdown on winrates on that map (anyone have it?). In my opinion the map has two key features that together (and only together) might make it very balanced even in the long run: it is HUGE and has a wide open center with expansions on the edges of the map. This benefits Zerg in the early and mid game, but bad for late game BroodLord-Infestor. Protoss have a fairly easy time getting to three bases, and the map's size makes the most of the warpgate mechanic. It's also good for Terran because expansions go outward and are easy to drop, while wide open spaces allow better bio concaves and spreads against splash damage. I really would like to see someone make an even larger map with a wide open center with similar base placement and see what happens with map balance. GSL + GSTL TvZ: 50% (5-5) PvT: 54.5% (6-5) ZvP: 50% (6-6) Edit: They are all played since the balance change. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:44 oOOoOphidian wrote: Good points. One problem that Calm Before the Storm had was the ridiculously large number of chokes, small number of attack paths, and no open areas to engage in. The best way to punish deathball play is to have many attack paths and open areas, as well as spread apart bases. Whirlwind has these features and has so far shown great games for all races. The only problem I have with wide-open centers is that it probably spells death to mech for Terran in SC2 I really want mech to work, and I don't think it will on maps like Whirlwind. I hope someone proves me wrong though.On July 19 2012 13:46 larse wrote: Obviously, Whirlwind's winrate is even because the sample size is very small since it's a new map. I actually didn't know about the map being balanced (so far, and yes, tiny sample) though. I've had the opinion that it might be since seeing Ryung vs DRG. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
moletrap @moletrap Matches still haven't started yet. Some players are messing around playing micro maps and stuff or just talking, some playing practice games well this sucks | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
I know, I'm about to head to sleep if they don't start soon, waiting 2 hours for it to start in general is a real letdown. | ||
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Krallman
Sweden713 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:47 vthree wrote: 10 qualifiers today + Zero + Flash --> 12 man ODT --> 6 move on Those 6 + Fantasy + Jangbi + MVP, Oz, DRG, San + 4 more 'GOM' qualifers from ODT group C and D. Ah okey :D Gogo Fantasy win both OSL bw and sc2! | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:22 MCXD wrote: The hype train is pretty deflated right now. Isn't the idea to complete all of the negotiations and setting up before the event starts? yea T_T | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:44 Talionis wrote: Here we go! Jaedong and Bisu sitting next to each other AND who's to the right??? On July 19 2012 12:57 N.geNuity wrote: ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL bw fans know why I'm laughing Of course. Look at who's sitting beside him! | ||
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lichter
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IS THIS AN LR OR NOT | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
moletrap @moletrap They said I could but then when I started recording a coach complained and so I can't record any screen footage "so IDs don't get leaked" sad opterown is sad i guess this means games have started though | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:26 lichter wrote: 16 minute gap between posts IS THIS AN LR OR NOT We've been LRing everything that's happened so far very well :p + Show Spoiler + nothing Sounds like the games have started the games now. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:26 lichter wrote: 16 minute gap between posts IS THIS AN LR OR NOT Kind of hard when it has been delayed for 2 hours+ with no recent updates to whether they have started or not. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:27 Talionis wrote: We've been LRing everything that's happened so far very well :p + Show Spoiler + nothing Sounds like the games have started the games now. Yeah but I just don't feel the hype Last time we had these the thread exploded with twitter feeds and bnet stalking. We need more "omg the dong is playing custom monobattles" or "@KhanSHINE i build hydras kekeke" | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:22 MCXD wrote: The hype train is pretty deflated right now. Isn't the idea to complete all of the negotiations and setting up before the event starts? *tear* they grow up so fast. soon sc2 fans will know all about kespa's organizational excellence. *edit* in regards to bnet stalking, don't think there is much but someone did post EightTeamJD or something (jd) and terminator should be Sang: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1860195/1/terminator/matches sang has a fist round match so that may be the first profile to have a game. | ||
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kjwcj
Australia1064 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:27 Kieofire wrote: Kind of hard when it has been delayed for 2 hours+ with no recent updates to whether they have started or not. The first games started about 20 minutes ago, quite a few players are waiting on opponents due to all the byes in the Ro16. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:31 lichter wrote: Yeah but I just don't feel the hype Last time we had these the thread exploded with twitter feeds and bnet stalking. We need more "omg the dong is playing custom monobattles" or "@KhanSHINE i build hydras kekeke" Except this time we have no player IDs (they're being hidden pretty forcefully by coaches), twitter messages, games played, vods recorded, etc. Hard to LR from nothing. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:32 kjwcj wrote: The first games started about 20 minutes ago, quite a few players are waiting on opponents due to all the byes in the Ro16. Alright thanks for the information! | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:35 Moletrap wrote: Mind is packing his gear up, I think he lost | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Sea > Guemchi Lizzy > Leta Shy > Mind | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
This is kinda huge. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:37 Talionis wrote: Firebathero > Modesty Sea > Guemchi Lizzy > Leta Shy > Mind oh? where are you getting this? o.O | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
GTR is tweeting these results on his twitter. | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Trap > Piano Great > Penguin Hero > ggaemo Juni > Wooki Snow > Orion | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:40 Kieofire wrote: GTR is tweeting these results on his twitter. ah right i was following teamliquidlive instead haha tyty | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Nvm found it YES sKyHigh OVER MOVIE!!!! JO BYUNG SE FIGHTING! <3 | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
I just want to know WTF is going on!!!! | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:42 VirgilSC2 wrote: What is GTR's twitter? It is @tl_gtr | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:42 VirgilSC2 wrote: What is GTR's twitter? https://twitter.com/tl_gtr and/or https://twitter.com/liquidret | ||
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VirgilSC2
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Light moves on though | ||
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Talionis
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On July 19 2012 14:49 Moletrap wrote: Sherry just scv all ined on Antiga vs stats for a win LOL noooo Stats | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:49 Moletrap wrote: Sherry just scv all ined on Antiga vs stats for a win bitbybit secretly making a return into the scene? jk Hyuk beating Kal makes me sad though. | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
No airtoss for us this ODT Stardust wins! | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:49 Moletrap wrote: Sherry just scv all ined on Antiga vs stats for a win Stats nuuuuuuuuuuuu | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
EDIT: Nevermind, there's been a correction and M18M is still in. | ||
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Dodgin
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:52 MCXD wrote: The fact it's only best of one is terribly ruthless. The non-kespa prelims were bo3. It is Bo3 | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:53 Veldril wrote: M18M actually won according to GTR. Someone made a mistake. the gif was all for nothing | ||
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Flexis
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This is where alot of BroodWar players compete against eachother in Starcraft 2, for a spot in OSL together with the sc2 pro players of korea? (MVP/DRG/MKP/MC etc) Also, will Jaedong, flash, stork and fantasy make it there? | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:54 kjwcj wrote: Ten groups happening all at once, results are really hard to keep up with at the moment. It's ok we really appreciate you guys' work. Thanks for the report! | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:56 Flexis wrote: Do i understand this correct.. This is where alot of BroodWar players compete against eachother in Starcraft 2, for a spot in OSL together with the sc2 pro players of korea? (MVP/DRG/MKP/MC etc) Also, will Jaedong, flash, stork and fantasy make it there? Yes. Fantasy and Jangbi in Ro16(?). Flash and ZerO in dual tournament. Jaedong, Stork, Bisu et al need to qualify, which is what this tournament is for | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:56 Flexis wrote: Do i understand this correct.. This is where alot of BroodWar players compete against eachother in Starcraft 2, for a spot in OSL together with the sc2 pro players of korea? (MVP/DRG/MKP/MC etc) Also, will Jaedong, flash, stork and fantasy make it there? yes, and maybe. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:56 Flexis wrote: Do i understand this correct.. This is where alot of BroodWar players compete against eachother in Starcraft 2, for a spot in OSL together with the sc2 pro players of korea? (MVP/DRG/MKP/MC etc) Also, will Jaedong, flash, stork and fantasy make it there? 1. Yes 2. Flash and Fantasy are seeded, Stork and Jaedong are playing in the qualifiers today so we will find out soon if they are in. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:50 Kieofire wrote: bitbybit secretly making a return into the scene? jk Hyuk beating Kal makes me sad though. Well he's beat Kal before in epic fashion. HYOOOK!!!! | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:00 Moletrap wrote: hOpe just packed up his gear Did he lose? He was up 1-0 against Paralyze. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Wait, didn't Grape retired? Edit: Looking at the roster, I think it is great not Grape. | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
On July 19 2012 14:57 lichter wrote: Yes. Fantasy and Jangbi in Ro16(?). Flash and ZerO in dual tournament. Jaedong, Stork, Bisu et al need to qualify, which is what this tournament is for Thanks so much.. that really makes me wonder why we cant watch this awesome pack of players qualify.. the viewcount would be so high if this got promoted and showcased on some stream.. Also, is there any easy way to know who has made it and who has fallen off? | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:07 Flexis wrote: Thanks so much.. that really makes me wonder why we cant watch this awesome pack of players qualify.. the viewcount would be so high if this got promoted and showcased on some stream.. Also, is there any easy way to know who has made it and who has fallen off? OGN didn't get broadcast rights from Blizz to show the qualifying tournaments (was it Moletrap who mentioned this when he asked the organizers?). Yes, this thread pretty much sums up everything we can find on the results. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:07 Flexis wrote: Thanks so much.. that really makes me wonder why we cant watch this awesome pack of players qualify.. the viewcount would be so high if this got promoted and showcased on some stream.. Also, is there any easy way to know who has made it and who has fallen off? https://twitter.com/tl_gtr | ||
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larse
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On July 19 2012 15:08 lichter wrote: OGN didn't get broadcast rights from Blizz to show the qualifying tournaments (was it Moletrap who mentioned this when he asked the organizers?). Yes, this thread pretty much sums up everything we can find on the results. What Moletrap said is that they didn't have that rights before this OSL. They are just not streaming it, which is a tradition. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Is it just a major cheese fest like Open Season Quals were? XD | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
Thanks. I will follow this then closely! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Shine lost to Ryul2 FEELS GOOD | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:10 larse wrote: What Moletrap said is that they didn't have that rights before this OSL. They are just not streaming it, which is a tradition. No OSL normally streams their qualifiers. I heard the same thing that they can't stream the games until the Dual tournament. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
This has hurt them and the hype for the future games, though based on the stream views for the ODT day 1 I think that it will be okay for OGN in the long run. I'm excited to hear the results anyway. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:11 blade55555 wrote: No OSL normally streams their qualifiers. I heard the same thing that they can't stream the games until the Dual tournament. Well, they have a license now. Because the sc2 ODT Groups A and B were already played and broadcasted. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:11 VirgilSC2 wrote: Is it just me or are some of these rounds really short? Is it just a major cheese fest like Open Season Quals were? XD Nostalgia 1 : 0 Game quality | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:13 Dodgin wrote: Well, they have a license now. Because the sc2 ODT Groups A and B were already played and broadcasted. Which is the dual tournament right? They couldn't stream qualifiers but they could stream the next part or w/e. The ODT will also be streamed for kespa ones to. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
Also just wanna say you and the rest of sc2gg were the reason I got into starcraft back in 2008-2009 so if your read this THANKYOU | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:14 blade55555 wrote: Which is the dual tournament right? They couldn't stream qualifiers but they could stream the next part or w/e. The ODT will also be streamed for kespa ones to. I guess that's the only reason they wouldn't broadcast this other than lazyness/lack of interest from the community then, that's odd that they don't have permission to stream qualifiers while they do to cast the tournament itself though. | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
The games seem short, so that doesnt talk well of close macro games with flawless play more likely cheese, and/or failed unit control | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:16 Dodgin wrote: I guess that's the only reason they wouldn't broadcast this other than lazyness/lack of interest from the community then, that's odd that they don't have permission to stream qualifiers while they do to cast the tournament itself though. That's what I read was blizzard said no for qualifiers. I read that when people asked for the qualifiers for non kespa players. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
Lizzy plays with a tissue over his mouse hand. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:16 Flexis wrote: I really wonder how these BW pro's play in sc2, if they all try to cheese eachother, or proxy, or if they really try to play long micro and macro games. I really wonder where their skill is, if it is like the platinum leauge, or if they can be in the grandmaster/very top, together with the real sc2 pros. The games seem short, so that doesnt talk well of close macro games with flawless play more likely cheese, and/or failed unit controlThe metagame is a little bit behind their GOM counterparts, but not by much. The main difference is game sense, unit control and timings I think. There have been some excellent games from Proleague, and some players look to have a lot of potential in SC2 (Soulkey, By.Sun and Roro being my faves). Not really a cheesefest, but we haven't seen any broadcast BoX's yet | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:16 Flexis wrote: I really wonder how these BW pro's play in sc2, if they all try to cheese eachother, or proxy, or if they really try to play long micro and macro games. I really wonder where their skill is, if it is like the platinum leauge, or if they can be in the grandmaster/very top, together with the real sc2 pros. The games seem short, so that doesnt talk well of close macro games with flawless play more likely cheese, and/or failed unit controlWatch proleague. The players are often in GM or masters on Korea and can play all-ins as well as long macro games. Some players are lower skill, but players like EffOrt (rank 1 in proleague SC2) could play in Code A easily. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 12:57 N.geNuity wrote: ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL bw fans know why I'm laughing BAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA bisu looks like hes ready to shine today in sc2 | ||
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Ragnar1
Australia88 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:16 Flexis wrote: I really wonder how these BW pro's play in sc2, if they all try to cheese eachother, or proxy, or if they really try to play long micro and macro games. I really wonder where their skill is, if it is like the platinum leauge, or if they can be in the grandmaster/very top, together with the real sc2 pros. The games seem short, so that doesnt talk well of close macro games with flawless play more likely cheese, and/or failed unit controlHave you watched any of their SC2 proleague games? There have been tons of epic macro games. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:21 bgx wrote: What about Stork? ro4 송병구(프) | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:21 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: BAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA bisu looks like hes ready to shine today in sc2 Screen watching? Look like Shine's been Hydrabusted. | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:20 lichter wrote: The metagame is a little bit behind their GOM counterparts, but not by much. The main difference is game sense, unit control and timings I think. There have been some excellent games from Proleague, and some players look to have a lot of potential in SC2 (Soulkey, By.Sun and Roro being my faves). Not really a cheesefest, but we haven't seen any broadcast BoX's yet ok, yay thanks, that really makes me more excited to see the broadcasted stuff later My favourite is zergs overall, and jaedong is my absolute favourite, even more than drg (and almost more than nestea when he was his best) so i really wish he can qualify through this and let me see how he plays sc2! | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:22 Flexis wrote: ok, yay thanks, that really makes me more excited to see the broadcasted stuff later My favourite is zergs overall, and jaedong is my absolute favourite, even more than drg (and almost more than nestea when he was his best) so i really wish he can qualify through this and let me see how he plays sc2! Favorite game of SCII so far has been Baby vs Effort. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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United States1297 Posts
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:24 VirgilSC2 wrote: Wow, Jaedong out. FUCK I was dreading to hear those words | ||
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Sweden235 Posts
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Canada39254 Posts
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larse
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:25 Dodgin wrote: Bisu why I was thinking to post about "someone should swear that if Bisu qualified he will eat a sword, Artosis's style" to break Bisu's curse. And I forgot | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:27 Moletrap wrote: Jaedong is still playing right now Is he playing in his own way, but with the mecanics of sc2? is his multitasking as high as it was? | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 13:38 Clefairy wrote: Hey look it's Cezanne and (maybe?) TheWind! Jaedong struggling with getting graphics settings the same as in practice while Bisu switched PCs because his was laggy. new keyboard for jD? | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:28 Veldril wrote: I was thinking to post about "someone should swear that if Bisu qualified he will eat a sword, Artosis's style" to break Bisu's curse. And I forgot Bisu loses, you get $1 million, he qualifies, you die We missed one of those | ||
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Ragnar1
Australia88 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:28 Flexis wrote: Is he playing in his own way, but with the mecanics of sc2? is his multitasking as high as it was? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos There are a number of vods of Jaedong playing SC2 there if you want to see how he plays | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:28 Flexis wrote: Is he playing in his own way, but with the mecanics of sc2? is his multitasking as high as it was? I can't actually watch his play, just can see he's in a game | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:27 Moletrap wrote: Jaedong is still playing right now | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/p6VFu.jpg | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
ye he had the same at MLG, what a funky keyboard | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
Dream.t)check vs By.Sunfinals group a | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
At least he took a map >_> | ||
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larse
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
COME ON BY.SUNNNNNNNN don't let me doooowwwwwwwn Edit: By.Sun needs to change his SC2 name. There's no way I'm cheering for someone named Rain in SC2 -_-;; | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
It'll be interesting to see which big names make it. So far, Bisu hasn't broken his OSL curse as predicted. Jaedong I hope can make it. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
C'MON CHECK! MBC rookies fighting! Cheers for the bracket, opterown, and thanks for the results everyone. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
Bisu says he's only master while most other people are GM so he feels like he's still lacking. Baby had BW matches in PL so he hasn't been able to practice much. Everyone else just talking about their groups and saying the usual. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
brackets correct at time of posting | ||
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opterown
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:41 Veldril wrote: "@TeamLiquidLIVE: Effort all packed up and talking to his team-mates. Looks like he lost his first series to KT rookie hitmaN." What the hell. v_v | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:41 Veldril wrote: "@TeamLiquidLIVE: Effort all packed up and talking to his team-mates. Looks like he lost his first series to KT rookie hitmaN." What an apt fucking name. Hitman is the new whatever race he is playing bonjwa. | ||
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Malaysia215 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:41 Veldril wrote: "@TeamLiquidLIVE: Effort all packed up and talking to his team-mates. Looks like he lost his first series to KT rookie hitmaN." Well, rookies and B-Teamers have probably been playing SC2 alone for a lot longer than the A-Teamers active in Proleague so they might actually be good...? But still | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:33 Talionis wrote: Bisu lost 2-1. At least he took a map >_> Bisu wins a sc2 game in Korea! -_-;; | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Edit. Add Hyvaa to the list... "@tl_gtr: s2 beats hyvaa" | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
No more spreading creep from the middle of the map TT | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
group b - SF - baby vs lizzy. other is FBH vs stork or hudadak or fokins group c - SF - shuttle sea or soulkey or acacia group d - SF - hitman vs trap, shy vs ryul2 group e - SF - mini vs juni, snow vs bisang group f - SF - stats vs classic. other is m18m vs rare or jaedong group g - SF - jyj vs free. other is skyhigh vs paralyze or last group h - SF - horang2 vs honsin, jaehoon vs best group i - finals - crazyhydra vs hero or san or bogus group j - SF - s2 vs canata, flying vs hoejja | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
So I guess no soo beating Stork in the next OSL. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:47 opterown wrote: group g - SF - jyj vs free. other is skyhigh vs paralyze or last With RorO out sKyHigh has a really good shot of winning his group! GOGO JO BYUNG SE | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
hitman the new elephant. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:47 opterown wrote: group a - finals - check vs by.sun group b - SF - baby vs lizzy. other is FBH vs stork or hudadak or fokins group c - SF - shuttle sea or soulkey or acacia group d - SF - hitman vs trap, shy vs ryul2 group e - SF - mini vs juni, snow vs bisang group f - SF - stats vs classic. other is m18m vs rare or jaedong group g - SF - jyj vs free. other is skyhigh vs paralyze or last group h - SF - horang2 vs honsin, jaehoon vs best group i - finals - crazyhydra vs hero or san or bogus group j - SF - s2 vs canata, flying vs hoejja That's actually not that bad so far | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:49 Moletrap wrote: Jd just lost on Ohana So now he's out? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
juni should never fucking win a game in his life. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
edit:nice! | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Well Woongjin Terran fighting! | ||
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bLecK
Australia625 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Praise the gods!! | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:50 Moletrap wrote: Stork just won with mass carriers and mothership vs a zerg SOMEONE CALL BROWDER | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
No he has another game... Dunno if 2 or 3 | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Bye bye Lizzy | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Baby beats Lizzy. wow, fantastic baby. KT's old protoss ace is dead! | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Woo Baby to the group final. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
We don't need you anymore. We have Hitman now. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:53 Fionn wrote: Goodbye, Lizzy. We don't need you anymore. We have Hitman now. Not anymore.....Fionn you jinx everything! T_T | ||
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larse
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CLNTo.jpg) | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:54 larse wrote: Jaedong fighting!!! Again!!! oh please!!.. if he makes it and actually devotes as much practise as in bw, he could really become a sc2 legend too | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:53 VirgilSC2 wrote: Not anymore.....Fionn you jinx everything! T_T He should try to do a reverse jinx on Bisu next OSL. I wonder it would be enough to make him qualifies | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:47 raga4ka wrote: Looks like the b-teamers have the advantage over the A-teamers do to only practising SC2 ... It is likely that b-teamers have been practising earlier since A-teamers were playing in previous OSL/Proleague and even Proleague now is 1/2 and 1/2. Another reason is that it is pretty much a reset for everyone so it is not really surprising to see some b-teamers doing well. Even not taking the transition into consideration, single elim brackets are always unpredictable. Min, Sniper, Vampire made it for the GOM players. Obviously good players but not A-teamers. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:55 Veldril wrote: He should try to do a reverse jinx on Bisu next OSL. I wonder it would be enough to make him qualifies bisu OSL consistancy is legendary. with all due respect but fionn curse cant even budge it | ||
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larse
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
now vs ex-teammate FBH ;p PvP | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
lololol storkuuuuuuuuu carrier king | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:58 Veldril wrote: "@tl_gtr: Stork won vs fokins. Now faces fbh." Go go FirebatHero! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:58 Fionn wrote: Come on, Hitman! With Lizzy failing and Flash dying for our sins in the OSL, you are our new KT bonjwa. I don't even know what race you play, but YOU MUST WIN. Hitman is listed as zerg. Protoss has the most Semi Finalists so far and about equal to Terran + Zerg. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
KT.Hitman, the next Zerg Bonjwa. On July 19 2012 16:00 opterown wrote: hitman plays zerg Still the next Zerg Bonjwa. damnit opterown you edited before i could hit quote | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I really want to see this supposed Carrier Mamaship vZ lategame, so go go Stork show that race switching noob who's boss :p | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
Is Stats out? | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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United States11135 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
테테전 강자입니다 유독 테란전이 잘되요 | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:01 Fionn wrote: If Hitman wins his OSL group, I promise to be his #1 fan and make him my favorite KESPA player of all-time in SC2. If he loses, I'm done with him. Please don't, I'd like to see him win | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:00 opterown wrote: hitman plays zerg Surprise surprise! Hope he looks like Khaldor! A little bit... | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:02 KiNGxXx wrote: Surprise surprise! Hope he looks like Khaldor! A little bit... I bet it is Khaldor. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:02 KiNGxXx wrote: Surprise surprise! Hope he looks like Khaldor! A little bit... FINALLY some semblance of balance whine! Wouldn't be an LR thread without it :p | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:02 KiNGxXx wrote: Surprise surprise! Hope he looks like Khaldor! A little bit... Actually, Protoss doing the best so far. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
Lots of achievements | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:01 Moletrap wrote: Stork loses g1 to fbh One more... Nothing against Stork, but it's time we saw a real ceremony again. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Italy198 Posts
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larse
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
a - turn vs rain b - baby c - shuttle d - ryul2 e - mini f - N/A g - N/A h - honsin i - crazyhydra j - n/a | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:04 Clefairy wrote: Apparently this is Stork: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1024519/1/게임조아/matches Lots of achievements LOL must be him hahahhaha | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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niukasu
2 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:01 Fionn wrote: If Hitman wins his OSL group, I promise to be his #1 fan and make him my favorite KESPA player of all-time in SC2. If he loses, I'm done with him. ryul2 beat hit man User was banned for this post. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:05 VirgilSC2 wrote: JAEDONG STILL IN BW Dong vs SC2 Dong IT WILL HAPPEN | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:05 blade55555 wrote: Jaedong beat rare according to gtr THANK GOD :D OH MY GOD THIS IS TOO FUCKING INTENSE. I NEED A STREAM lets go jaeeedong!!!!!! rooting for you so hard | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:06 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: OH MY GOD THIS IS TOO FUCKING INTENSE. I NEED A STREAM lets go jaeeedong!!!!!! rooting for you so hard I now I am not even watching it but my adrenaline was pumping for jaedong! | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:04 Clefairy wrote: Apparently this is Stork: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1024519/1/게임조아/matches Lots of achievements Stork plays campaign, like FBH did. Now I like him even more. | ||
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Flexis
Sweden235 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:06 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: OH MY GOD THIS IS TOO FUCKING INTENSE. I NEED A STREAM lets go jaeeedong!!!!!! rooting for you so hard Yeah, me too! | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Goodbye, Hitman. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Heh, I find it funny that he has campaign achievements. Actually, I really want to see a pro stream campaign. I've seen Nony do it, but that's the only instance I've seen. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
fionn cursed | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
not sure he has yet actually, no confirmation anywhere | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
? GTR says Ryul2 beat sHy | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
I am looking forward to that as well. But hopefully not in this OSL because it would be pretty one-sided. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Welcome back, Hitman. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:08 motbob wrote: niukasu are you just making stuff up? thinkso, ryul2 only just came in a few min ago, he can't've played another series since then | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
He looked (looks) so promising. EFFORT FIGHtING SEASON2!! | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
He's probably like a black cat covered with broken mirrors and spilled salt IRL. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Yeah, was thinking about that. Since Ryul2 vs Shy was just updated... I know it is ZvZ but still... | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:09 VirgilSC2 wrote: Ryul2 vs hitmaN would be the group finals of that group, which I'm pretty sure hasn't taken place yet. hitman-trap still playing as SF | ||
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niukasu
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mordk
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Vendemmia
Italy198 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
HE CANNOT BE DENIED. | ||
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United States6151 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Scotland4085 Posts
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Canada39254 Posts
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
Anyone on the KR server can look that up please? | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:08 vthree wrote: I am looking forward to that as well. But hopefully not in this OSL because it would be pretty one-sided. I just want it for all the Dong puns | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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dark_dragoon10
United States299 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:09 Clefairy wrote: Stork's ID translates to "I like games" Cell phone games And LOL Hitman. Get him an SPL appearance ASAP, KT coach. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:10 PlosionCornu wrote: What's the map E. Valley Proleague Edition? (from the supposed stork's profile linked earlier..) Anyone on the KR server can look that up please? it's entombed valley. | ||
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novamarine
Malaysia215 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:10 PlosionCornu wrote: What's the map E. Valley Proleague Edition? (from the supposed stork's profile linked earlier..) Anyone on the KR server can look that up please? Entombed Valley -_- | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:55 opterown wrote: *paint magic* GOOD! Adaptation, improvisation, but your weakness IS your technique. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_OnGameNet_Starleague_Season_1/Preliminaries/KeSPA the hivemind will beat you. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7582 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: Can anyone translate this? 테테전 강자입니다 유독 테란전이 잘되요 I'm good in TvT. Out of the three matchups it just works out for me. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:11 Noam wrote: GOOD! Adaptation, improvisation, but your weakness IS your technique. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_OnGameNet_Starleague_Season_1/Preliminaries/KeSPA the hivemind will beat you. ah tyty :D i'm a liquipedia silver contributor but results come in too quickly to update liqui ==" yay for good source haha | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
. Love SK though so him advancing is cool as well. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:12 Wala.Revolution wrote: I'm good in TvT. Out of the three matchups it just works out for me. Thank you | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
I figured as much, I mean "what's different from the ladder/wcs one?". | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
Aroun Lepkhammany @tl_gtr Hoejja playibg a terran on entombed. Both are poor but tons of units Does that mean Hoejja and Canata both advanced to finals? | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:13 PlosionCornu wrote: I figured as much, I mean "what's different from the ladder/wcs one?". Probably just named differently so its easy to find. LOL motbob | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:13 motbob wrote: oops, I was probably too hasty in banning this niukasu guy. Oh well, I told him he can make another account. He said hitman was eliminated. That is a sin. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
So funny that Bisu lost again TT | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
It'll get extremely confusing when we have like 2 Rains (Fnatic and SKT) and 3 Hero's (TL, T8 and CJ) | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:13 motbob wrote: oops, I was probably too hasty in banning this niukasu guy. Oh well, I told him he can make another account. Can't badmouth the new bonjwa man | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:15 pdd wrote: Hey, can the people on Liquipedia stick to calling the BW pros by their old IDs and stuff (with the clan tags, etc)? It'll get extremely confusing when we have like 2 Rains (Fnatic and SKT) and 3 Hero's (TL, T8 and CJ) I'm just using what was used by whoever entered all the names in the brackets in the first place. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:14 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Stork and JD gogogogogogo So funny that Bisu lost again TT Its the OSLs. SC2 or no SC2, what you expect | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:15 pdd wrote: Hey, can the people on Liquipedia stick to calling the BW pros by their old IDs and stuff (with the clan tags, etc)? It'll get extremely confusing when we have like 2 Rains (Fnatic and SKT) and 3 Hero's (TL, T8 and CJ) Isn't the SKT rain called 'Sun' now? | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:16 Vasoline73 wrote: nuuuu acacia oh come on, not rooting for a-team ? | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:16 Talionis wrote: Yeeeeeah, sick! :D Go Soulkey!Soulkey 2-1 Acacia | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:16 Talionis wrote: Soulkey 2-1 Acacia FUCK YEAH SOULKEEYYYYyyyyy | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
Naw Soulkey advancing is cool with me, I just like to root for the KT rookies | ||
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Poland6595 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Last beats skyhigh. Bogus beats hero(join). Looks like acacia just lost. He is walking around. | ||
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United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:16 VirgilSC2 wrote: We really need to bug Moletrap to get us a photo/interview/video of hitmaN ASAP hitmaN for bonjwa I say. Actually no, hitmaN for president. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:16 VirgilSC2 wrote: We really need to bug Moletrap to get us a photo/interview/video of hitmaN ASAP We can make Hitman the new Cutter, quick someone come up with an elaborate story and a fake picture. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
sKyHigh out to Last T_T | ||
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lichter
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Afaik By.Sun uses Rain in SC2 (ID shown during SC2 Proleague player intros) | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Everyone calls him By.Sun, but according to recent KeSPA broadcast he is Rain (or By.Rain) and the people on Liquipedia are leaving him as Rain. We really should start a thread to discuss how we should call these KeSPA players. Everyone still calls Motive Lizzy, TY Baby etc etc | ||
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Kal_rA
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On July 19 2012 16:18 Talionis wrote: Best 2-0 Jaehoon Go Best!! I've been rooting for Best ever since that interview like a year or two ago. This guy just needs a hug | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
honsin vs best | ||
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lichter
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:20 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: Go Best!! I've been rooting for Best ever since that interview like a year or two ago. This guy just needs a hug He needs a hug since July demolished-drone drilled him in OSL | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
Stork tied it up 1:1 | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:19 Fionn wrote: Hey Moletrap, when Hitman beats Ryul2, go track him down and tell him that I am his #1 fan and that he is loved by the foreign community. Oh god yes. Please somehow get the message across to him that he is already a cult favorite among foreign fans. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Classic beat stats. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:13 motbob wrote: oops, I was probably too hasty in banning this niukasu guy. Oh well, I told him he can make another account. It's not possible to unban? | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:21 lichter wrote: Someone needs to tweet Moletrap or GTR to get a pic of Hitman so we can do some photoshop magic or more importantly Antisocialmunky can work his magic on the Unimpressed Flash Meme (LOL kt.hitmaN... sure theres a lot to go on there) | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
It's possible for admins to, but the process is cumbersome enough that it's better for someone with so few posts to just make a new account. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:23 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: or more importantly Antisocialmunky can work his magic on the Unimpressed Flash Meme (LOL kt.hitmaN... sure theres a lot to go on there) Hitman is the right hand of god. | ||
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larse
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
Which is to say that Flash hand picked him to destroy the competition, since he couldn't be there to do it himself. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:23 motbob wrote: It's possible for admins to, but the process is cumbersome enough that it's better for someone with so few posts to just make a new account. Poor guy. Hopefully he doesn't create a self-post on reddit now about Nazi TL mods :p | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
First player to qualify | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
too ashamed after ro4 | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Looks like KT coach made Lizzy and then Flash their ACE in proleague so he could unleash the true ACE Hitman in this OSL... | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:25 Talionis wrote: By.Sun wins group A 2-0! First player to qualify Beating Ace and now this, he's legit. SKTSun | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
SKT's sc2 ace qualifies! | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Rain just won his group. Trying to secure an interview right now Woo, the first big name goes through. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:25 Talionis wrote: By.Sun wins group A 2-0! First player to qualify Good for him! Congrats | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Except that sHy beat ACE , but Sun is pretty good - every game he plays he is pretty solid . | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:26 raga4ka wrote: Except that sHy beat ACE , but Sun is pretty good every game he plays he is pretty solid . oh lmao, i always mix them up... | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Wasn't it sHy who beat AcE? | ||
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Kal_rA
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On July 19 2012 16:27 Moletrap wrote: Something happened, they had jd pause the game o m g | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:13 motbob wrote: oops, I was probably too hasty in banning this niukasu guy. Oh well, I told him he can make another account. Unban me plz, I have said that I made a mistake when I noticed that I make a mistake. Since I know ryul is in the final I thought he beat hitman our new hope and new bonjwa | ||
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Brazil316 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:25 Talionis wrote: By.Sun wins group A 2-0! First player to qualify Yessssssssss If Soulkey gets through then my top 2 faves make it | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
according to account | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Did beautiful plays happen ? | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:28 niukasu1990 wrote: Unban me plz, I have said that I made a mistake when I noticed that I make a mistake. Since I know ryul is in the final I thought he beat hitman our new hope and new bonjwa welcome back! | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
Happy either way | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
m18m vs jaedong are the two remaining semifinals! all other finalists confirmed | ||
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eviltomahawk
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mini | ||
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:28 niukasu1990 wrote: Unban me plz, I have said that I made a mistake when I noticed that I make a mistake. Since I know ryul is in the final I thought he beat hitman our new hope and new bonjwa On July 19 2012 16:23 motbob wrote: It's possible for admins to, but the process is cumbersome enough that it's better for someone with so few posts to just make a new account. Welcome back. Wear your ban as a mark of disgrace against our new zerg overlord, hitman. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:29 Ragnarork wrote: Just tuned in. What's up guys ? Did beautiful plays happen ? Only getting results since it is not streamed. Supposedly Soulkey played a really sick game 3 ZvZ involving Nydus and BLs. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Edit: Premature victory declaration. | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:33 Bagration wrote: FBH qualified? Quick, LR that ceremony! No, is in the finals now. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:33 Bagration wrote: FBH qualified? Quick, LR that ceremony! He's in the group final vs. BaBy. Not through yet. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:33 Bagration wrote: FBH qualified? Quick, LR that ceremony! FBH still has to beat Baby. | ||
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Australia625 Posts
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Hong Kong853 Posts
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France9034 Posts
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Get.Midikem
Sweden312 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:30 Clefairy wrote: Firebathero beat Stork Happy either way Me 2. I am happy who ever advance of Baby and firebathero to though. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:35 zergtat wrote: how is jd's games...... D: Currently 1:0 with Stardust in the lead. Second game was paused because Stardust had keyboard problems. | ||
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FSKi
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:38 Clefairy wrote: Currently 1:0 with Stardust in the lead. Second game was paused because Stardust had keyboard problems. Jaedong's down a game? NOOOOOOOO | ||
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opterown
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jaehoon? o.O? | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Ryul2 won his group. Wont be able to tweet anymore as we are preparing for interviews. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:48 Bagration wrote: Wait, so Hitman is basically a Zerg KT B-teamer who took out Effort, right? Trap, Effort and Ssak | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:48 Bagration wrote: Wait, so Hitman is basically a Zerg KT B-teamer who took out Effort, right? Yes, but A-team/B-team doesn't really mean shit right now when the B-teamers have had more sc2 time then the A-teamers. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:49 Kiyo. wrote: Yes, but A-team/B-team doesn't really mean shit right now when the B-teamers have had more sc2 time then the A-teamers. Ah, cool thanks. And what's this? Best qualified? Nice | ||
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Talionis
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A: By.Sun B: Baby C: ??? D: ryul2 E: Bisang F: ??? G: ??? H: BeSt I: Bogus J: ??? | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:53 Talionis wrote: Qualified players: A: By.Sun B: Baby C: ??? D: ryul2 E: Bisang F: ??? G: ??? H: BeSt I: Bogus That's a lot of frickin B's | ||
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Clefairy
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B9dXZ.jpg) Stork's achievements page reminds me of his WoW addiction | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:53 Talionis wrote: Qualified players: A: By.Sun B: Baby C: ??? D: ryul2 E: Bisang F: ??? G: ??? H: BeSt I: Bogus holy shit Baby qualified!! HAPPY DAYS OH HAPPY DAYS! cmon JD!! | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:54 motbob wrote: What? Baby? Bogus? Where are you getting this | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:54 motbob wrote: What? Baby? Bogus? Where are you getting this be nice | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
b for bonjwa | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
EDIT: Oh yeah, and Bisang also made it I guess, but he never really looked like their best. (never played in PL this season for SC2.) | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
On July 19 2012 16:58 Flexis wrote: if JD wins this, is he qualified then, or 1 more game (final) after this? 1 more match (vs Classic ?) as far as i know. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
BBoongBBoongPrime is the best ID then | ||
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Sweden235 Posts
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Italy198 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:04 jaQi wrote: Are there any streams or are you guys looking at twitter etc? Twitter. There won't be a stream till the Dual Tournament because OGN didn't get permit to broadcast till Dual Tournament. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:04 jaQi wrote: Are there any streams or are you guys looking at twitter etc? No streams available. | ||
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Italy198 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
F조 4강 이제동-손석희 선수 경기에서 이제동 선수가 패하며 탈락, 결승에 손석희 선수가 진출. 김도우 vs 손석희. 단 한명의 듀얼 진출자를 가릴 결승이 준비중입니다. | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
F조 4강 이제동-손석희 선수 경기에서 이제동 선수가 패하며 탈락, 결승에 손석희 선수가 진출. 김도우 vs 손석희. 단 한명의 듀얼 진출자를 가릴 결승이 준비중입니다. | ||
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jaQi
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:14 Dodgin wrote: Bisu Stork Jaedong all failed to qualify, Kespa is not going to be happy about this... I'm not happy jaedong failed | ||
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Sweden235 Posts
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jaQi
1121 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:14 Dodgin wrote: Bisu Stork Jaedong all failed to qualify, Kespa is not going to be happy about this... Add Effort to the list -.- I think that is really surprising | ||
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zergtat
Hong Kong853 Posts
thanks for LR the results, very much appreciated <3 | ||
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Israel2209 Posts
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Singapore3425 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
Plus there's still Soulkey. :D | ||
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Oh good atleast Soulkey is throught. @the guy above me: yeah sure, but SC2 isn't exactly popular in korea atm and this is not going to help. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:20 HolydaKing wrote: Well the big names all failed... except Baby and Best maybe. Feels like this OSL will fail hard due to that. But Jangbi/Fantasy/Flash/ZerO are all seeded in as far as I know and they're all good at SC2. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:20 HolydaKing wrote: Well the big names all failed... except Baby and Best maybe. Feels like this OSL will fail hard due to that. Oh good atleast Soulkey is throught. @the guy above me: yeah sure, but SC2 isn't exactly popular in korea atm and this is not going to help. Pretty much. Soulkey can save it though if he makes it through. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:20 HolydaKing wrote: Well the big names all failed... except Baby and Best maybe. Feels like this OSL will fail hard due to that. Oh good atleast Soulkey is throught. @the guy above me: yeah sure, but SC2 isn't exactly popular in korea atm and this is not going to help. dont forget Flash, Jangbi, Fantasy and Zero are seeded. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:21 oOOoOphidian wrote: But Jangbi/Fantasy/Flash/ZerO are all seeded in as far as I know and they're all good at SC2. As far as I know, MMA Supernova wanted to beat Zero | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:20 oOOoOphidian wrote: It's like people forget that the superstars of today were once nonames. The players who succeeded have potential to show greatness and the players like JD and EffOrt who did not advance will have their day to shine again too. Plus there's still Soulkey. :D I put my hopes in Jangbi, Fanta, Flash, Zero ! I know they played sc2 less but still it would be even more dreamy if they managed to beat some sc2 pros | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
and JD losing to M18M, ouch. Surprised Roro lost 0-2 vs JYJ :O Happy Bogus won his group, his PL play really didn't deserve an 0-5 record lol. Hope Classic wins group F now, he's showed better play of the 2. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Well it happens, qualifiers are tough ground. Now JD gets to continue his SPL Ace rampage and take team jaedong to playoffs! For OSL, I got my hopes on JangBi | ||
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Thailand138 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:27 H0RNET wrote: atleast we got Flash VS MVP Only if Flash makes it pass the Dual Tournament. | ||
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DeathPengu
Taiwan137 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:22 niukasu1990 wrote: As far as I know, MMA Supernova wanted to beat Zero Also add MC、MVP to the list. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:20 HolydaKing wrote: Well the big names all failed... except Baby and Best maybe. Feels like this OSL will fail hard due to that. Oh good atleast Soulkey is throught. @the guy above me: yeah sure, but SC2 isn't exactly popular in korea atm and this is not going to help. Don't think it is a big deal. Even in BW, Bisu sometimes can't get through this qualifying stage. And if you count Soulkey as bigname, then Sun, baby, bogus, and Best are all bignames. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
Zero must do something wrong in the brood war period | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
MVP wanted to beat Soulkey. Or rather he was just ripping on Soulkey because he beat him with his Zerg. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:31 niukasu1990 wrote: Zero must do something wrong in the brood war period supernova and mvp were woongjin. Also zero is a bully to everyone on his team in a friendly way (sc2 analogy may be drg/genius/MVP house stuff) and in amateur days too. Him and soulkey always make fun of each other in interviews, so it's likely anyone who knew zero as an amateur/woongjin got made fun of a ton by zero in private. Just being playful. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
Korean WCS prelims will take place in 7/22~23 @ GomTV. Brackets will be released on 7/20 afternoon. Broadcast: - The event will be covered as part of the “Ready Action!” program - Global broadcasts will be available via GOMTV.net - Yearly and monthly subscription ticket holders will have access to our HQ and SQ premium stream - Free SQ stream will be available for all users - HQ VODs will be uploaded to GOMTV's official YouTube Channel | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:37 NHY wrote: Some random news: GomTV.net Korean WCS prelims will take place in 7/22~23 @ GomTV. Brackets will be released on 7/20 afternoon. Should add that unseeded KeSPA players will be participating in the same qualifiers as non-top 10 GSL players | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:37 NHY wrote: Some random news: GomTV.net Korean WCS prelims will take place in 7/22~23 @ GomTV. Brackets will be released on 7/20 afternoon. Nice. Going to be able to see some GOM vs Kespa games. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
will update thread in breaks | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
Sorry Flying wins Group J. I was focused too much on Canata losing that I didn't realized the mistake. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:40 NHY wrote: HoeJJa wins Yeah, now just need Soulkey and M18M to win and it'll be a perfectly balanced racial composition for ODT with 4 of each race. | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
Am I misreading something ? | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Actually some drama. Disputes over a dc in soulkeys game. | ||
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bgx
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On July 19 2012 17:43 elmerpogs wrote: IS BISU COMPLETELY OUT OF THE OFFLINE PRELIMS? YES | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:42 Talionis wrote: I'm confused. I'm seeing Flying winning group J? Am I misreading something ? Sorry Flying wins Group J. I was focused too much on Canata losing that I didn't realized the mistake. | ||
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Australia939 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Flying's been playing good SC2 though, so I guess it's not that much of a shocker. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
I mean that makes sense since I thought he was one of if not the best players in the group (damn you hyvaa), but that's some serious bracket confusion lol === Also Soulkey is having to regame after a DC. On July 19 2012 17:49 Moletrap wrote: Classic advances "Yeah, fuck yeah!" Good for him =) | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:49 Moletrap wrote: Classic advances Nooooo Stardustu I don't know where that bracket with Hoejja winning came from at all lol Please advance Soulkey :x | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:50 Talionis wrote: Nooooo Stardustu I don't know where that bracket with Hoejja winning came from at all lol GTR tweeted that he was playing a ZvT giving people the impression that he beat Flying and was playing Canata. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
Man, i can't believe BeSt actually qualified. I'm very happy though :D | ||
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
Bisu why? I really thought this could be your OSL. But the results you gave on PL SC2 is so frustrating.ATM you're playing like a complete noob. See you on the next OSL and I wish you'll get better and show us what "The Revolutionist" is all about. | ||
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A: By.SunB: BaByC: Neo.G_SoulkeyD: Ryul2E: BisAnGF: ClassicG: LastH: BeStI: BogusJ: Flying | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Not the most glamarous line up and I have no idea how a couple will do, but plenty of players who've looked strong in PL and now backed it up here. Exciting times. | ||
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England466 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
OH YEAHHH SOULKEYYYYYY my top 2 make it woohooooooo | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
every KT player failed to qualify | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On July 19 2012 18:38 BeaTeR wrote: fuck every KT player failed to qualify flash is seeded though! | ||
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Canada39254 Posts
Players by team SK Telecom T1: Best, Sun Team 8: Baby, Ryul2 STX: Bogus, Last, Classic Woongjin Stars: BisAng, Flying, Soulkey No other teams got any players through. | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
He is seeded for ODT, it will be hard to qualify for the OSL... | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Toldya TBLS need to be seeded... damn... only Flash again. Happy for Soulkey at least. On July 19 2012 19:01 Dodgin wrote: Khan and KT have Jangbi and Flash seeded in the next round(s). ACE is usually dead last in both BW and SC2, so it's okay.No other teams got any players through. But CJ... especially Effort... kinda sad and strange. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On July 19 2012 19:53 phodacbiet wrote: bisu is always out so.. it is expected Atleast he won his first game finally, by losing 2:1 immediately. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Rhodan
Australia232 Posts
Though it is an OSL so shouldnt expect him to qualify >.< | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 20:39 Moletrap wrote: I'll have interviews with Baby, BeSt, and Rain up tonight, one with Soulkey whenever I have time to edit it (hopefully tomorrow) Yessss my faves <3 ty moleyman | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 20:39 Moletrap wrote: I'll have interviews with Baby, BeSt, and Rain up tonight, one with Soulkey whenever I have time to edit it (hopefully tomorrow) tyty!!!!!! | ||
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:02 Malinor wrote: Didn't really expect Jaedong to make it through. As long as BW is still around, all of this is a bit of a crapshot, and also by now he is way past his prime. Bisu surprises me a little though, but I guess it is OSL, so what did I expect. Jaedong has actually improved a lot the past few Proleague rounds. Even won an Ace match the last time out (against.. Trap? I think) | ||
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hai2u
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aintz
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:26 lichter wrote: Jaedong has actually improved a lot the past few Proleague rounds. Even won an Ace match the last time out (against.. Trap? I think) But to get through these kind of qualifiers requires mostly that you are just much better than anyone you are facing, and that he is not anymore. Of course he is still very good, but given how often the favourites in BW and SC2 fall in these qualifiers, very good is not enough without some luck. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:21 Malinor wrote: But to get through these kind of qualifiers requires mostly that you are just much better than anyone you are facing, and that he is not anymore. Of course he is still very good, but given how often the favourites in BW and SC2 fall in these qualifiers, very good is not enough without some luck. Luck is a big part of it, yes Look at Bisu >.> | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:21 Malinor wrote: But to get through these kind of qualifiers requires mostly that you are just much better than anyone you are facing, and that he is not anymore. Of course he is still very good, but given how often the favourites in BW and SC2 fall in these qualifiers, very good is not enough without some luck. What make these qualifiers even more unpredictable, even if we were to go by PL records is that all these players have only recently went serious competitive mode on SC2, which means they're all around the same level. This means anyone can win at any time. | ||
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QQSharp
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:05 QQSharp wrote: That might have been asked previously in the thread, and I apologize if that's the case, but why isn't Flash participating in those qualifiers ? he's already seeded past them =] | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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pinball777
United States134 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:05 QQSharp wrote: That might have been asked previously in the thread, and I apologize if that's the case, but why isn't Flash participating in those qualifiers ? He gets put directly into a group because he did so well in the last OSL. The finalists already get placed into the round of 16 where the bw players play the sc2 players. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:22 pdd wrote: What make these qualifiers even more unpredictable, even if we were to go by PL records is that all these players have only recently went serious competitive mode on SC2, which means they're all around the same level. This means anyone can win at any time. I don't think that is true at all. The fastest learners, maybe even naturally most talented have an edge. In the long run the names that come out on top can easily change when that advantage goes away and the slower ones improve. | ||
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QQSharp
France25 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:12 pinball777 wrote: He gets put directly into a group because he did so well in the last OSL. The finalists already get placed into the round of 16 where the bw players play the sc2 players. Thanks | ||
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P7GAB
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Lukeeze[zR]
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:15 nighcol wrote: I don't think that is true at all. The fastest learners, maybe even naturally most talented have an edge. In the long run the names that come out on top can easily change when that advantage goes away and the slower ones improve. The best BW players still had OSL to prepare for several weeks ago, while a lot of B teamers could concentrate solely on SC2. The hybrid league also doesn't help, because the good BW players still have to practice BW to get some wins. Switching between two different games isn't easy. I have no excuse for Bisu though T_T | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
I have no Kespa players to root for Except Best I guess | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:17 Noam wrote: Sigh. See you guys next OSL. Exactly what I was thinking Jaedong :'( | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:34 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: so many terrans =) 4 of them just as many as protoss... I think it's because it's the easiest race to transition to/from in terms of terran -> terran mechanics in bw. precise timings, and scouting for protoss/zerg make or break them, while terrans largely do stuff similar to what they had in bw (god i wish someone could figure out a sick SKTerran style in sc2!). i was so excited hearing my twitter feed of FBH making it to the finals of his group =( wanted dat ceremony! <3 FBH, next time! | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
Was hoping one of them to get past zzz | ||
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Asha
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vthree
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namste
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larse
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GinDo
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:02 trifecta wrote: JD fixed. you knew bisu wasn't getting into an osl haha | ||
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
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BisuDagger
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38198 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Who will translate the winner's interviews? We can't keep expecting the BW community to translate everything to do with Kespa when they're not even playing BW. Storywriter might but he already translated that huge coach lee interview and the gsl ones today. I suggest asking politely in todays code s interview thread or sending a nice pm or something ^^ | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Who will translate the winner's interviews? We can't keep expecting the BW community to translate everything to do with Kespa when they're not even playing BW. Well if it's anything like the LoL broadcast, OGN will get someone to translate interviews. (no guarantees though but it's likely) Speaking of which, though, a couple of my interviews are up! + Show Spoiler [Interview: BeSt] + + Show Spoiler [Interview: Rain / by.Sun] + | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
i think baby will be a menace in sc2 scene soon. young kids learn fast, i know i was much better at gaming 6 years ago than i am now. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:53 Moletrap wrote: Well if it's anything like the LoL broadcast, OGN will get someone to translate interviews. (no guarantees though but it's likely) Speaking of which, though, a couple of my interviews are up! + Show Spoiler [Interview: BeSt] + + Show Spoiler [Interview: Rain / by.Sun] + <3 Moletrap. Thanks for the interviews! | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:02 trifecta wrote: bisu & JD Bisu + OSL ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lceF1.gif) | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:08 plutonowy wrote: so this is.....bw players playing sc2? ye? Ye. | ||
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
10 INTERVIEWS?!?!? 10 INTERVIEWS TO TRANSLATE!?!?!? HOLY CRAP! | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:31 SeeKeR wrote: MOTHER OF GOD!! 10 INTERVIEWS?!?!? 10 INTERVIEWS TO TRANSLATE!?!?!? HOLY CRAP! Take it slow and carefully! | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:27 monitor wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but is there any way to watch these games? No you have to wait until the dual tournament starts for the Kespa players. (The GSL players have already started their dual tournament for this OSL so the first two groups that have been played so far were broadcasted.) | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:31 SeeKeR wrote: MOTHER OF GOD!! 10 INTERVIEWS?!?!? 10 INTERVIEWS TO TRANSLATE!?!?!? HOLY CRAP! Storywriter can do that in what? Ten minutes? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
If you compare it to foreign tournaments, MLG has group stages with multiple ways to qualify, double-elim, open brackets, NASL has a lengthy league format, IPL had double-elim and multiple qualifier tournaments, TSL4 rewards consistent performances in the qualifier tournaments too. The other Korean tournament, GSL, maybe has some players stuck in Code B, but the actual tournament still consists of 64 players that have multiple chances to get into Code S and if you win at least one series you get to stay in Code A. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:27 monitor wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but is there any way to watch these games? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV | ||
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
Ah, very much thank you! | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:36 Grumbels wrote: I have to say that the way OSL goes about qualifiers is extremely stupid. Players that show consistent strong performances in ProLeague are thrown into this huge Bo3 single-elimination bracket where their past results don't matter at all and all it takes is a little bit of randomness and they're out of the OSL. I don't see why they don't do stuff like 1. use a double-elimination bracket 2. place people high on the KeSPA ranking thing a round or two further in the bracket. (this one is more dubious) If you compare it to foreign tournaments, MLG has group stages with multiple ways to qualify, double-elim, open brackets, NASL has a lengthy league format, IPL had double-elim and multiple qualifier tournaments, TSL4 rewards consistent performances in the qualifier tournaments too. The other Korean tournament, GSL, maybe has some players stuck in Code B, but the actual tournament still consists of 64 players that have multiple chances to get into Code S and if you win at least one series you get to stay in Code A. I think it's great. Do well enough and you already get seeded, and this qualifier makes sure you get the best even if they aren't fan favourites. Creates good story lines as well. At least you know that someone who gets into the ODT is worthy of being there, which is something you can't really say with invite tournaments. On July 20 2012 04:53 Moletrap wrote: Well if it's anything like the LoL broadcast, OGN will get someone to translate interviews. (no guarantees though but it's likely) Speaking of which, though, a couple of my interviews are up! + Show Spoiler [Interview: BeSt] + + Show Spoiler [Interview: Rain / by.Sun] + Forgot about this!! Thanks so much. Your coverage of the OSL has been so great | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:36 Grumbels wrote: I have to say that the way OSL goes about qualifiers is extremely stupid. Players that show consistent strong performances in ProLeague are thrown into this huge Bo3 single-elimination bracket where their past results don't matter at all and all it takes is a little bit of randomness and they're out of the OSL. I don't see why they don't do stuff like 1. use a double-elimination bracket 2. place people high on the KeSPA ranking thing a round or two further in the bracket. (this one is more dubious) If you compare it to foreign tournaments, MLG has group stages with multiple ways to qualify, double-elim, open brackets, NASL has a lengthy league format, IPL had double-elim and multiple qualifier tournaments, TSL4 rewards consistent performances in the qualifier tournaments too. The other Korean tournament, GSL, maybe has some players stuck in Code B, but the actual tournament still consists of 64 players that have multiple chances to get into Code S and if you win at least one series you get to stay in Code A. Its not random bracket. Top players are seeded based on kespa ranking. "Hard to get in, easy to drop out" little bit different if compared to GSL. | ||
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silent_owl
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
Oh well, Go Baby, Ryul2 and Soulkey! | ||
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GinDo
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On July 20 2012 06:45 sM.Zik wrote: Aww it's so hard being a Jaedong fan these days Oh well, Go Baby, Ryul2 and Soulkey!At least JD is doing really well in PL. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
I'm glad people like Best and Soulkey advanced. Am waiting on JD and Bisu, with their work ethic, I know they'll qualify soon for OSL if not this one. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On July 20 2012 06:45 sM.Zik wrote: Aww it's so hard being a Jaedong fan these days Oh well, Go Baby, Ryul2 and Soulkey!How do you think I feel what with the many years that Bisu has failed to qualify for an OSL? Still, I'm sure JD will own soon enough. When times are tough, we stick with our players. | ||
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oBlade
United States5500 Posts
On July 20 2012 05:36 Grumbels wrote: I have to say that the way OSL goes about qualifiers is extremely stupid. Players that show consistent strong performances in ProLeague are thrown into this huge Bo3 single-elimination bracket where their past results don't matter at all and all it takes is a little bit of randomness and they're out of the OSL. I don't see why they don't do stuff like 1. use a double-elimination bracket 2. place people high on the KeSPA ranking thing a round or two further in the bracket. (this one is more dubious) OSL and PL are different leagues. In PL you are preparing for one map and you can usually narrow down the race or even player. Historically there have been players who excelled in one but not the other. So it doesn't make sense to contaminate the results of one league with players' performance in another. Players are seeded into ODT/OSL based on how they performed in the previous OSL, not how they perform in a team league. It hasn't been uncommon recently for one or two players in a qualifier group to get byes the first round. Not based on a random draw, but based on the fact that they're better performing players. Other times the most unknown players have to play one more round, but it's the same concept. It may be true that you can be out of the qualifiers in an instant based on bad luck, but it will never be true that you can pass the qualifiers on luck. It's pretty simple, if pro players want to do well, they can play well. On July 20 2012 06:20 larse wrote: Yeah. Even though it's their traditions to do it this way, it's a stupid format for the OGN and Kespa's profitability. They gotta come up with a way to keep the popular players rather than throw them away based on pure competition. Esports and starcraft are still fragile and need this unfair care-taking to advance, especially during this tough transition season. So you're in favor of an Ongamenet PlayersWhoHaveTheBiggestFanClubs League? New players get fans when they perform well. Think about Movie's OSL silver. I like watching the players I've watched for years already, but neither those players themselves nor the fans think they need to have their hands held because they're not up to the competition. Eventually the players we think are popular and skilled are going to retire. That's why we let people into the OSL for being good. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
You've been doing well in sc2 too.. Next season is yours.So happy for Baby though! I can see him actually going far in the tourney. The kids a beast. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354281 Please read 'em ^^ | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
So now to see b-teamers eliminating players like Effort, Jaedong, Bisu, etc? I think that's great. I'm excited for new talent and storylines. Once the PL is over and kespa A teamers get to focus exclusively on SC2, I'm sure they'll do better if they practice the game and deserve it. Clearly, if SC2 skill is the merit, they don't deserve it right now. Seems like most people just want to watch exhibition matches. I want to see the best gamers advance so the OSL is better. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On July 20 2012 06:52 silent_owl wrote: How do you think I feel what with the many years that Bisu has failed to qualify for an OSL? Still, I'm sure JD will own soon enough. When times are tough, we stick with our players. Sure! Jaedong will be my favorite player untill he retires . | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On July 20 2012 09:12 Vasoline73 wrote: People should stop complaining about popular players losing being bad for esports or some BS. The last 2 years of the BW scene in korea got pretty static as less and less new talent entered (going to SC2 instead.) Personally I found it to be pretty boring. So now to see b-teamers eliminating players like Effort, Jaedong, Bisu, etc? I think that's great. I'm excited for new talent and storylines. Once the PL is over and kespa A teamers get to focus exclusively on SC2, I'm sure they'll do better if they practice the game and deserve it. Clearly, if SC2 skill is the merit, they don't deserve it right now. Seems like most people just want to watch exhibition matches. I want to see the best gamers advance so the OSL is better. I agree with you 100%. But I think the point people are making is that the old stars qualifying would attract bigger crowds (which OGN's SC2 events desperately need) than a bunch of random no-names, which is a fair point. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Proseat
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Mexico462 Posts
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larse
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So you're in favor of an Ongamenet PlayersWhoHaveTheBiggestFanClubs League? New players get fans when they perform well. Think about Movie's OSL silver. I like watching the players I've watched for years already, but neither those players themselves nor the fans think they need to have their hands held because they're not up to the competition. Eventually the players we think are popular and skilled are going to retire. That's why we let people into the OSL for being good. Your point is valid in most aspects. But what I was saying is that this transition period is the most important period, and is fragile and requires extra cares and special treatments. The transition will be less successful if they can't secure some big names in the new game. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 20 2012 13:07 larse wrote: Your point is valid in most aspects. But what I was saying is that this transition period is the most important period, and is fragile and requires extra cares and special treatments. The transition will be less successful if they can't secure some big names in the new game. I have to agree that they should have found a more... "secure" way to ensure their stars getting through the qualifiers. They need the Korean fans to move over to SC2 happily. They aren't like us; I bet if hitmaN had qualified we'd all rally around him and make him a huge star. Foreign scene so hype | ||
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opterown
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUnuKZIpEWU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDQUijw8f9g | ||
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