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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
July 19 2012 11:10 GMT
#2061
GSL first ever PvP incoming. GOGO MC
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
July 19 2012 11:10 GMT
#2062
On July 19 2012 20:09 Adreme wrote:
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On July 19 2012 20:07 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Adreme wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:04 MajorityofOne wrote:
If MC wins we'll have had every match-up possible as a GSL finals.


Cant we just pretend we had a PvP finals and then never speak of having such a thing again?


It's a decent match-up these days. Really. It's not TvZ or anything but I still think we should have one.



PvP is either 1-2 base timings with blink vs not blink immortal timings or it goes to 2+ base boring collosus games where either side doenst really want to engage because other is in good position. Thats the biggest problem that even when they hit late game the late game is collosus so its boring.

Carriers!!!
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 19 2012 11:10 GMT
#2063
No MC hype video?
Crazyahmed
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada280 Posts
July 19 2012 11:10 GMT
#2064
cannot connect to the free stream, does anyone else has the same problem?
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2065
On July 19 2012 20:08 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:07 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Adreme wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:04 MajorityofOne wrote:
If MC wins we'll have had every match-up possible as a GSL finals.


Cant we just pretend we had a PvP finals and then never speak of having such a thing again?


It's a decent match-up these days. Really. It's not TvZ or anything but I still think we should have one.



It's still "80% luck, 20% skill"

===

Time for DRG to make MC his bitch


It probably has more luck involved than any other match, thats true. But it isnt boring to watch anymore like it used to be, even though there's still too many build order wins.

Though its really a moot point cuz DRG is the best player in the world...
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2066
If Seed loses the first 3 games of the finals he'll win.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2067
On July 19 2012 20:09 roym899 wrote:
[image loading]

Hey, i have this strange pixels all time on the screen. Anyone know to fix this? It's only in the gomplayer. (i'm watching on HQ)


I think you might be watching the SQ screen. That's normal.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2068
On July 19 2012 20:10 Nekovivie wrote:
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On July 19 2012 20:09 kubiks wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:06 Zambrah wrote:
Considering we haven't even had a PvP GSL finals yet I'm surprised about how everyone just assumes it'll be bad. >.>


Because every PvP that don't end early looks the same : players do stuff, there's a big engagement where one player get a 100 supply lead and win thegame


Basically, whoever has more collosus will win

PvP so zzzz

Pretty much the same level of excitement as "WILL HE GET THE VORTEX OFF OR NO?"
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2069
On July 19 2012 20:06 SeaSwift wrote:
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On July 19 2012 20:05 SnipedSoul wrote:
I want MC to win so we can see 7 games of colossus wars. GO MC!


You really think MC vs Seed would last 7 games?

PvP is all about mindgames. MC is the master of mindgames. Seed is not.

Erm. Seed is the guy who invented hallucination fake builds.

You think he doesn't know mind game?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2070
On July 19 2012 20:09 X3GoldDot wrote:
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On July 19 2012 20:08 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:07 Big J wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Pyre wrote:
I got to think DRG is a big favorite with the way PvZ is currently. So why is everyone saying it will be a PvP finals??


because all the stats and everything points towards 50:50 balance in PvZ.
Yet I still don't get why a mediocre player like MC would beat DRG...


So mediocre he has 2 GSLs and the best PvZ in the world.


JYP bro,at least from gomstats and tlpd



Correct, JYP and Seed currently has the number 1 and 2 spots in GSL for best PvZ.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2071
On July 19 2012 20:09 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:06 Zambrah wrote:
Considering we haven't even had a PvP GSL finals yet I'm surprised about how everyone just assumes it'll be bad. >.>


Because every PvP that don't end early looks the same : players do stuff, there's a big engagement where one player get a 100 supply lead and win thegame


You could generalize that way about a lot of things.

The point is the PvP Micro Wars can be fun, we might even see some new army compositions to counter the Colossus ball.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2072
On July 19 2012 20:11 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:08 Asha` wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:07 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Adreme wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:04 MajorityofOne wrote:
If MC wins we'll have had every match-up possible as a GSL finals.


Cant we just pretend we had a PvP finals and then never speak of having such a thing again?


It's a decent match-up these days. Really. It's not TvZ or anything but I still think we should have one.



It's still "80% luck, 20% skill"

===

Time for DRG to make MC his bitch


It probably has more luck involved than any other match, thats true. But it isnt boring to watch anymore like it used to be, even though there's still too many build order wins.

Though its really a moot point cuz DRG is the best player in the world...


PvP is cool up until the point where both players go double robo colossus. After that it's easily the worst MU in the game.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
July 19 2012 11:11 GMT
#2073
On July 19 2012 20:11 InoyouS2 wrote:
If Seed loses the first 3 games of the finals he'll win.


If you said that about anyone else, that would be stupid... but that is spot on! hahaha
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2074
On July 19 2012 20:10 Roxor9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:09 Adreme wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:07 MajorityofOne wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Adreme wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:04 MajorityofOne wrote:
If MC wins we'll have had every match-up possible as a GSL finals.


Cant we just pretend we had a PvP finals and then never speak of having such a thing again?


It's a decent match-up these days. Really. It's not TvZ or anything but I still think we should have one.



PvP is either 1-2 base timings with blink vs not blink immortal timings or it goes to 2+ base boring collosus games where either side doenst really want to engage because other is in good position. Thats the biggest problem that even when they hit late game the late game is collosus so its boring.

Carriers!!!


If MC or Seed won a PvP finals using Carriers I think it might save the unit from the chopping block
But do either of them have the balls to be that legend
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2075
On July 19 2012 20:08 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:08 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:07 Big J wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Pyre wrote:
I got to think DRG is a big favorite with the way PvZ is currently. So why is everyone saying it will be a PvP finals??


because all the stats and everything points towards 50:50 balance in PvZ.
Yet I still don't get why a mediocre player like MC would beat DRG...


So mediocre he has 2 GSLs and the best PvZ in the world.


MC will always have haters. He made his name with timing attacks, so no matter how incredible his macro is people love to discount it


I still don't know why people are so hard on certain playstyle, especially all-ins, timings, and cheeses....

It's based on a huge risk, insane control, and (for timings) perfect mechanics...

But heh.... "macro macro macro macro macro macro".

LiquipediaWanderer
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2076
Can't connect to GOM for some reason
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2077
On July 19 2012 20:10 Pitrocelli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:02 DOUDOU wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:58 x2mirko wrote:
I'm getting tons of artifacts on the HQ-Stream. Is that normal?

example (look at the left side, often times it's way worse than that and it pops up every few seconds):
http://i.imgur.com/wlTWn.jpg

if thats not normal, does anyone have a clue how to fix this?

that's normal, it's gom being terrible as usual


damn, every season i tell myself there's no way i buy another ticket until they upgrade the quality of their stream, and then comes the playoffs... :/


I love gom's quality, feels really nostalgic watching this .. like it is year 2004, I am 15 again watching my first BW vods from random chinese sites.

Plus you can always play guessing game if supply of players is 2 or 3 digit number.

guessing supply is actually pretty easy, try guessing hitpoints of an unit, if the casters don't comment on it, you'll never now (meanwhile legend pointing it out with mouse cursor...)
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 11:14:25
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2078
On July 19 2012 20:01 pdd wrote:
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On July 19 2012 19:56 Rebs wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:53 noddy wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:51 Rebs wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:50 noddy wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:49 pdd wrote:
And that's why tanks don't work in TvP.


They work just fine when MarineKing makes them.


They worked just fine getting Byun to the Semis. Somewhere MKP hasnt been for a very long time.


Except Byun didn't use tanks in his previous series vs Protoss. Whereas MarineKing has defeated various high end Code S Protoss with siege tanks?

Good one though.


What are you talking about ? Did you see his games this season ?

He used tanks past the 15 minute mark in a grand total of 1 game. A game which he ended up losing mind you.

Tanks work for 1-1-1 aggressive builds and as a build to help getting a secure 3rd, but beyond that they're just never gonna be useful. MMM balls are much much more efficient.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls3/vod/67552

Thats 1 and he won it. . Im nitpicking but its more than 15 mins hue. The other few wins are mostly pretty short. Its only 3 series worth anyway. Averaging a marine tank game every series is regular enough.

The genius game later was a flop yea which is what your talking about

And alllll that aside. Why does it matter that mm balls are more efficient late game?That has nothing to do with Byun playing marine tank to win to win games. Crucial games. Pointless digression

His other effective wins were deviations of early 2 rax aggression. He didnt really win any long games because his general style doesnt lend itself to that. ANd I dont blame him, its fucking terrifying worrying about late game toss.


SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2079
On July 19 2012 20:12 Uncultured wrote:
Can't connect to GOM for some reason


Click the live link at the top of the page and try again. Solves it for me.
Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
July 19 2012 11:12 GMT
#2080
On July 19 2012 20:08 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:07 Big J wrote:
On July 19 2012 20:05 Pyre wrote:
I got to think DRG is a big favorite with the way PvZ is currently. So why is everyone saying it will be a PvP finals??


because all the stats and everything points towards 50:50 balance in PvZ.
Yet I still don't get why a mediocre player like MC would beat DRG...

You trolling? MC is NOT mediocre at all. He has the best PvZ in the world or top 3 at worst.

Squirtle, Genius, Seed.
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