stalker/sentry/immortal is actually pretty awful overall vs lings with muta support, need archons/templar, or a couple colo (which aren't ideal vs muta obviously), but since protoss is forced to go robo tech to try and take a "fast" 3rd but still defend the roach a-moving, the archon/templar tech is delayed for a while.

It's really dumb when people say "Well the protoss just suck", when these are some of the top protoss players in the world. Lots of these mistakes are forced by the brutal state of the matchup right now, where protoss has so many things to defend against, and you literally can't prepare for them all at once.

MangoMountain

Norway2044 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7633

Did a speaker blow up?

Whoranzone

Germany330 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7634

On July 15 2012 10:38 Darpa wrote:
How does ret get himself here, i looked to the other stream when the supply was 200-120 and now the game is close when I tune back ><

I don't see anything even remotely close there.

Heavenlee

United States966 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7635

On July 15 2012 10:33 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Can any of you protoss here honestly say that the protoss that are losing to all the zergs are not playing like shit with moves like this?

Can you honestly say you don't see zergs making a hundred mistakes but it doesn't matter because they can throw down hatcheries and drone up all they want, then if toss moves out to punish it with some sort of timing they get destroyed by roach/ling so it's a "stupid mistake"? Easy to make stupid mistakes when one bad positioning can cause you the game but zerg can nonstop throw units, take bad engagements but reinforce constantly, float 3k gas?

Zergs were playing the matchup retarded forever, not toss. They finally learned about things called flanks, that you can actually build infestation pits instead of few roaches, the timings of all-ins, when to scout, etc. and now they just sit back and macro.

-_-

United States7081 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7636

Argh, I'd love another pvz in the finals. But I don't think alicia can make a comeback.

Herry

England681 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7637

did korean protoss' forget that colossus is pretty good?

Epoxide

Magic Woods9326 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7638

ret is playing so goooood

RoyAlex

Norway420 Posts

July 15 2012 01:39 GMT

#7639

On July 15 2012 10:31 Musicus wrote:

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Apart from lags which is definetly no the case what makes you believe that the ping is bad? The situations where Protoss got completly surrounded they were just not looking imo. I don't believe they would play for that much money with a ping of half a second and I'm sure the players would've complained already.

Yea I agree, many times Players just are busy doing something else and end up bungling everything when they are getting attacked and surrounded.

But If you have ever tried playing and just testing some micro inside the map ediotor where you will have 0 ping, you will be suprised beyond your belif how much ping there actually is online in SC2.

Thinking out load without having tested or anything:
Ping definitely affects FF and stutter step M&M micro much more than anything Zerg has, Just having a 100-150ms can possible affect the overall DMG in M&M micro by something like 10-20% !!

Well I was just thinking loudly here.. since i'm not a Pro player it does not affect my life and I don't base any decisions on this. And I don't writing in a Live thead matters that much so if I say something wrong I don't care, so I just speaking my mind loudly to see what other people might say. Just amusing myself here while i'm wathcing :D

Toorgr

54 Posts

July 15 2012 01:40 GMT

#7640

Smells like Stephano vs Ret finals to me.

I hope that Ret won't win it all, it would be so unfair, he would never have gone past against MC or Hero.

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Ret-MC record 3-12
Ret-Hero record 1-7