On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
It's about number of players, not number of Pro-gamers. So countries with bigger populations, or at least bigger sales of SC2 are given the direct seeds. That's my understanding at least. This is also the first time that Blizzard are running this WCS and so might change things in the future.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.
I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.
What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
It's about number of players, not number of Pro-gamers. So countries with bigger populations, or at least bigger sales of SC2 are given the direct seeds. That's my understanding at least. This is also the first time that Blizzard are running this WCS and so might change things in the future.
sweeden has more sc2 players ( non pro ) then russia . most russians wont pay 50 euro for a game when they can get esports for free (mobas)
On July 22 2012 01:00 Mellon wrote: White-ra <3 What a fucking role-modell! First thing he does after games is giving compliments to his previous opponents.
maybe we should create something like an whitera trophy for great sportmanship
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.
I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.
What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.
Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.
I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.
What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.
Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote: Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.
Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.
Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.
This way it's perfectly okay, imo.
For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.
It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.
I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.
What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.
Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.
They want to advertise the next game HOTS to the viewers. And if more people play WOL in a country more people will buy the expension.
EPT
