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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
July 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#221
Yeah baby!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
July 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#222
Papatoss still has it!
I've got moves like Jagger
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 21 2012 15:44 GMT
#223
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
GaiusBaltar
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany63 Posts
July 21 2012 15:53 GMT
#224
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.
The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man and give some back.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 21 2012 15:53 GMT
#225
Maybe they just wanted to be sure that Stephano wasin.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46537 Posts
July 21 2012 15:54 GMT
#226
So happy White-Ra won that... totally wrecked Strelok in that second game. Strelok just played so poorly, unfortunately.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
July 21 2012 15:54 GMT
#227
WHITE RA FIGHTING!!!!!!!

WP Strelok too

I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46537 Posts
July 21 2012 15:57 GMT
#228
On July 22 2012 00:54 TheDougler wrote:
WHITE RA FIGHTING!!!!!!!

WP Strelok too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrqsNNlnMvE&list=UU1hv_HLg4o-2YaijT_RoKsw&index=8&feature=plcp


LOLOLOLOL THIS IS CLASSIC.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
July 21 2012 15:58 GMT
#229
Here we go WhiteRa!
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
July 21 2012 15:58 GMT
#230
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.


It's about number of players, not number of Pro-gamers. So countries with bigger populations, or at least bigger sales of SC2 are given the direct seeds. That's my understanding at least. This is also the first time that Blizzard are running this WCS and so might change things in the future.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 16:03:35
July 21 2012 15:59 GMT
#231
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.

Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.

I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.

What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Mellon
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden917 Posts
July 21 2012 16:00 GMT
#232
White-ra <3 What a fucking role-modell! First thing he does after games is giving compliments to his previous opponents.
wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
July 21 2012 16:03 GMT
#233
wow whitera english is so good know
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
July 21 2012 16:03 GMT
#234
On July 22 2012 00:58 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.


It's about number of players, not number of Pro-gamers. So countries with bigger populations, or at least bigger sales of SC2 are given the direct seeds. That's my understanding at least. This is also the first time that Blizzard are running this WCS and so might change things in the future.



sweeden has more sc2 players ( non pro ) then russia . most russians wont pay 50 euro for a game when they can get esports for free (mobas)
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
TheDWorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany69 Posts
July 21 2012 16:04 GMT
#235
On July 22 2012 01:00 Mellon wrote:
White-ra <3 What a fucking role-modell! First thing he does after games is giving compliments to his previous opponents.

maybe we should create something like an whitera trophy for great sportmanship
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
July 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#236
Cool, a PvZ finals, so rare these days
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
July 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#237
On July 22 2012 00:54 TheDougler wrote:
WHITE RA FIGHTING!!!!!!!

WP Strelok too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrqsNNlnMvE&list=UU1hv_HLg4o-2YaijT_RoKsw&index=8&feature=plcp


I just... love this video sooo much <3

White-Ra for the win. Papatoss for life!
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
GaiusBaltar
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany63 Posts
July 21 2012 16:18 GMT
#238
On July 22 2012 00:59 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.

Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.

I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.

What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.


Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.
The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man and give some back.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
July 21 2012 16:24 GMT
#239
On July 22 2012 01:18 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:59 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.

Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.

I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.

What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.


Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.


A bit of catering to the audience, I guess.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
July 21 2012 16:26 GMT
#240
On July 22 2012 01:18 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:59 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:53 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:44 figq wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:37 GaiusBaltar wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:24 Chicane wrote:
On July 22 2012 00:22 GaiusBaltar wrote:
Personally I think it's weird to have some national champions automatically qualify for the World Championship while others have to go through the continental finals first.


Where exactly can this information be found? That does sound strange if it is true.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4871777/

Some have "Direct Seed to Global Finals: X", some don't. Russia has 1, Ukraine 0.

This way it's perfectly okay, imo.

For example, France has large enough player base and good enough players (Stephano etc) that they grant 1 direct slot to world finals - but it's given in advance, not because Stephano wins the event; whoever wins it, gets it. That's fair.

It's inevitable when organizing area-based series of tournaments that people will dispute the privileges of some areas over others, there's no exact way to formulate rules about that. I.e. Poland might be unhappy that they don't get a direct world finals slot and France does, but that's how it is.


I would argue that Ukraine has a lot more good players than France. So does Sweden. Actually Sweden arguably has the most good players out of all European countries, yet they get zero direct seeds. It all seems completely random to me.

Player base means - a large number of casual players, a large market for Blizzard; not top class players.

I'd also argue it's unfair that Germany gets 4 slots in the EU tournament, and Sweden just 3, while Ukraine just 2. Yes, such numbers seem kind of random - what objective measure do you suggest that can combine all factors important for Blizzard? There isn't one. It's inevitable.

What I find fair though, is that they don't decide post factum which players to give direct slots (like, if Stephano wins FR, they grant him direct slot); instead they've announced all slots from all tournaments in advance, they are open for grabs by everyone. If some player doesn't like his chance within those rules, he's free to not take part.


Why would you determine the number of seeds by the number of casual players who won't even make it through a qualifier? Doesn't make sense to me.

They want to advertise the next game HOTS to the viewers. And if more people play WOL in a country more people will buy the expension.
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