• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:11
CET 07:11
KST 15:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada1SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA2StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1876 users

[GSTL] STQ vs FXO Pennant Race Group B Match 4 - Page 18

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 52 Next
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#341
--- Nuked ---
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#342
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:09 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand why terran don't try runby's more often, main/expo were completely naked.

Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

The timing works pretty well for me, especially since zergs at the masters level don't nearly have lucky's macro.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 06:23:22
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#343
Why send a Terran vs a Zerg? Especially Bomber who isn't very great at the match-up. Might as well be giving them a free win
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#344
On July 07 2012 15:22 xPabt wrote:
I haven't seen a single terran win vs that 3 base mass ling baneling with some muta aggresion.


See Supernova vs Sniper on Antiga
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#345
On July 07 2012 15:22 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches

I didn't see a fourth by Lucky or an intended tech switch anytime soon lol.

I don't necessarily saw it as an all in though. I saw it as Lucky being extensively aggressive cause he saw an opportunity
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#346
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches


dunno why you are so offended. All in is a common term and all ins are used very often.

All in is just a term for a very strong timing attack that, if it fails, you are pretty far behind.

Maxing out as fast as possible on ling bane muta on 3 base and a moving up a ramp into siege tanks is pretty dam all in lol.

What happens if there were more tanks, or thors, or the T split well and crushed Z's army?
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33481 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#347
Muspelheim as a TvZ counter-pick, intriguing!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#348
Foreigner motto "If it's not standard, it's cheese." quite saddening.
Mmm, what to watch.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#349
I would totally drop mules on them if I was helping someone practice for an important match lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#350
Let's go Bomber!!!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#351
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:09 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand why terran don't try runby's more often, main/expo were completely naked.

Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

I just entirely disagree with how he executed the attack, that army is great for killing econ but one spine+queen probably beats the 8 hellions he had left, I think if he just went straight for drones he would have had more success (he couldn't have possibly had less success). Regardless it's in the past now, I just go back to my original point, I don't understand why you'd make 10 hellions and not try and go for the economy.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#352
On July 07 2012 15:23 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:22 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches

I didn't see a fourth by Lucky or an intended tech switch anytime soon lol.

I don't necessarily saw it as an all in though. I saw it as Lucky being extensively aggressive cause he saw an opportunity

Sure, we can put it that way too.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#353
Bomber has a pretty good late game, let's see if he can actually get to that point though.

Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33481 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#354
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#355
Muspelheim is basically a vertical daybreak right?
Moderator
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 06:28:56
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#356
On July 07 2012 15:23 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
[quote]
Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

The timing works pretty well for me, especially since zergs at the masters level don't nearly have lucky's macro.

I was wondering what the transition is if you come up against the increasingly common roach openers? Queen/roach on a third seems bulletproof against it.

Edit: now that I think about it, you could probably just turn it into a harassment and go after drones, abusing the immobility of roach/queen. Seems like a really good opener ^_^
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#357
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?


Maybe for Leenock.
Moderator
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
July 07 2012 06:26 GMT
#358
On July 07 2012 15:23 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches


dunno why you are so offended. All in is a common term and all ins are used very often.

All in is just a term for a very strong timing attack that, if it fails, you are pretty far behind.

Maxing out as fast as possible on ling bane muta on 3 base and a moving up a ramp into siege tanks is pretty dam all in lol.

What happens if there were more tanks, or thors, or the T split well and crushed Z's army?

-__-;; In what way did I ever say or show that I was offended.

I was repeating a motto that is very well known around GSL LR threads.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
July 07 2012 06:26 GMT
#359
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?

Wax, is the IRC for GSTL still open?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33481 Posts
July 07 2012 06:27 GMT
#360
On July 07 2012 15:26 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?

Wax, is the IRC for GSTL still open?


could open it, 'tis a small group tonight
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 52 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 907
Tasteless 221
ToSsGirL 25
Icarus 11
League of Legends
JimRising 576
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 546
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox421
Other Games
summit1g15377
C9.Mang0102
NeuroSwarm55
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick739
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH188
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1716
• Stunt498
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
5h 49m
OSC
10h 49m
Replay Cast
16h 49m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 5h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.