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Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#341
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#342
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
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On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:09 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand why terran don't try runby's more often, main/expo were completely naked.

Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

The timing works pretty well for me, especially since zergs at the masters level don't nearly have lucky's macro.
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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 06:23:22
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#343
Why send a Terran vs a Zerg? Especially Bomber who isn't very great at the match-up. Might as well be giving them a free win
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#344
On July 07 2012 15:22 xPabt wrote:
I haven't seen a single terran win vs that 3 base mass ling baneling with some muta aggresion.


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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37107 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#345
On July 07 2012 15:22 andaylin wrote:
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On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches

I didn't see a fourth by Lucky or an intended tech switch anytime soon lol.

I don't necessarily saw it as an all in though. I saw it as Lucky being extensively aggressive cause he saw an opportunity
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xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#346
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches


dunno why you are so offended. All in is a common term and all ins are used very often.

All in is just a term for a very strong timing attack that, if it fails, you are pretty far behind.

Maxing out as fast as possible on ling bane muta on 3 base and a moving up a ramp into siege tanks is pretty dam all in lol.

What happens if there were more tanks, or thors, or the T split well and crushed Z's army?
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33684 Posts
July 07 2012 06:23 GMT
#347
Muspelheim as a TvZ counter-pick, intriguing!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#348
Foreigner motto "If it's not standard, it's cheese." quite saddening.
Mmm, what to watch.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17744 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#349
I would totally drop mules on them if I was helping someone practice for an important match lol
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#350
Let's go Bomber!!!
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the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#351
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:09 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand why terran don't try runby's more often, main/expo were completely naked.

Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

I just entirely disagree with how he executed the attack, that army is great for killing econ but one spine+queen probably beats the 8 hellions he had left, I think if he just went straight for drones he would have had more success (he couldn't have possibly had less success). Regardless it's in the past now, I just go back to my original point, I don't understand why you'd make 10 hellions and not try and go for the economy.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#352
On July 07 2012 15:23 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:22 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches

I didn't see a fourth by Lucky or an intended tech switch anytime soon lol.

I don't necessarily saw it as an all in though. I saw it as Lucky being extensively aggressive cause he saw an opportunity

Sure, we can put it that way too.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 07 2012 06:24 GMT
#353
Bomber has a pretty good late game, let's see if he can actually get to that point though.

Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33684 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#354
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#355
Muspelheim is basically a vertical daybreak right?
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Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 06:28:56
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#356
On July 07 2012 15:23 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:22 Jehct wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:20 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:18 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:17 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:16 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:15 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:14 andaylin wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:13 the`postman wrote:
On July 07 2012 15:10 andaylin wrote:
[quote]
Because you never know how many speedlings zergs have and risk the hellions dying for nothing.

sometimes you gotta take risks, he lost the hellions anyways.

for a different reason, he was doing a push trying to take down third with rauder, hellion, banshee.

he had 10 hellions, why try and kill off the third? He could have slaughtered the economy with that force, engaging spines/queens with hellions was silly.

i don't even know how to respond to this.

Start with explaining how a force that was 80% hellions was meant to kill a third base.

because you dont use hellions to kill a building, but the marauders and banshees. the hellions kill the zerglings.....

Obviously, and he only had what 1-2 marauders and two banshees? His army had nothing prepared to kill spines/spores/queens, it was entirely geared around killing lings/banes/drones. He killed the ling/banes but then he engaged the queens/static d, instead of going for drones.

A billion hellions definitely/2 banshees/2 marauders > 4 queens, a morphing spine, some lings and a few banes. Imperfect micro and huge production by Lucky (one wave of injections from 4 hatcheries) is what let him hold. You're underrating that timing; it very nearly killed Lucky.

The timing works pretty well for me, especially since zergs at the masters level don't nearly have lucky's macro.

I was wondering what the transition is if you come up against the increasingly common roach openers? Queen/roach on a third seems bulletproof against it.

Edit: now that I think about it, you could probably just turn it into a harassment and go after drones, abusing the immobility of roach/queen. Seems like a really good opener ^_^
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 07 2012 06:25 GMT
#357
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?


Maybe for Leenock.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37107 Posts
July 07 2012 06:26 GMT
#358
On July 07 2012 15:23 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:21 SeeKeR wrote:
Team Liquid Live Report Threads motto:

Any attack under 30 minutes is an all in REGARDLESS of bases being taken or tech switches


dunno why you are so offended. All in is a common term and all ins are used very often.

All in is just a term for a very strong timing attack that, if it fails, you are pretty far behind.

Maxing out as fast as possible on ling bane muta on 3 base and a moving up a ramp into siege tanks is pretty dam all in lol.

What happens if there were more tanks, or thors, or the T split well and crushed Z's army?

-__-;; In what way did I ever say or show that I was offended.

I was repeating a motto that is very well known around GSL LR threads.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37107 Posts
July 07 2012 06:26 GMT
#359
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?

Wax, is the IRC for GSTL still open?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33684 Posts
July 07 2012 06:27 GMT
#360
On July 07 2012 15:26 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 15:25 Waxangel wrote:
Who are they saving Antiga for? Virus? Realllllly?

Wax, is the IRC for GSTL still open?


could open it, 'tis a small group tonight
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