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On July 06 2012 21:36 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:34 The KY wrote:On July 06 2012 21:32 MaNaVoId wrote:
To prime fanboys complaining about balance, Stop talking shit, if there is a race that is imba, it is the race that can defeat 16 zealots, 6 stalkers , 6 high templars with 3 tier one unit and comeback to own his enemy's ass. So...b.net 2.0 is the strongest race? I feel we've reached a consensus here. What you talking about? Looks like we finally found someone who can find and select battlenet 2.0 in the race selection tab
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On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm
Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better.
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On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx
wouldn't be an LR thread without whining!
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On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm
They're probably waiting til after the thread pretty much dies down and will go through and just do a wave of bans/warnings
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i'm pretty happy coca won all the games. He played well and i'm glad to see him back on top!
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On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better.
Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game.
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On July 06 2012 21:32 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:27 Orek wrote:On July 06 2012 21:17 Kamwah wrote:On July 06 2012 21:03 Orek wrote:On July 06 2012 20:52 dohgg wrote:
I have a legitimate question for dear TL community...
Isnt it redcioules that all most "All kills" or "All kills" are done by zerg players, and most of them are vs majority of terrans? Not a QQ post, just mention some redicoules facts...
Its sad, TvZ used to be best mu few months ago... ZvT was ridiculous for like 1 year, well, at least more than 6 months. After Terran suffer for 6 more months, then we talk. Until then. When republican wins presidential election, democrat has to wait for 4 years. Zerg lost election when the game came out, so they waited. It is Terran turn to wait now. If you are democrat, don't you think republican winning president for 40 years is unfair and rigged? You're an idiot. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells should know 2 wrongs don't make a right especially when Terran has been nerfed into the ground and yea, it was definitely balanced for the most part pre-patch and TvZ was the BEST matchup to watch/play. It's like saying that it would be correct for them to change it so in TvP a Protoss has to stick with gateway units against Thors,Battlecruisers,Ravens and Ghosts. We should be working towards a more balanced game, not tit for tat. Stephano never had a problem with early pressure and nor did any of the professional Zergs which is supposedly what the guys at Blizzcrap are trying to balance the game for. Maybe we have different philosophy. You think Step1.60-40 Step2.55-45 Step3.50-50 is the way to balance. I think Step1.60-40 Step2. 40-60 Step2. 50-50 is the way to go. Also, you think it was 50-50 before patch. I think it was like 55-45 before patch, so it is 45-55 today. It is like depression is necessary so that bad companies go out of business. Both sides should experience bad times at least once. ..nnnnope. Absolutely no need for it.
What? What's the link beetween corporations business and the balance of starcraft 2????? And no, it is not 45-55 today. What's the rationale behing that the other side should experience bad times? It doesn't make sc2 balance better ._. all you're asking is an eye for an eye
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On July 06 2012 21:38 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better. Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game.
u mean in game where "terran has to apply pressure early to get on par" ? while terran can't do anything early except die to some early cheese himself?
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On July 06 2012 21:27 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:17 Kamwah wrote:On July 06 2012 21:03 Orek wrote:On July 06 2012 20:52 dohgg wrote:
I have a legitimate question for dear TL community...
Isnt it redcioules that all most "All kills" or "All kills" are done by zerg players, and most of them are vs majority of terrans? Not a QQ post, just mention some redicoules facts...
Its sad, TvZ used to be best mu few months ago... ZvT was ridiculous for like 1 year, well, at least more than 6 months. After Terran suffer for 6 more months, then we talk. Until then. When republican wins presidential election, democrat has to wait for 4 years. Zerg lost election when the game came out, so they waited. It is Terran turn to wait now. If you are democrat, don't you think republican winning president for 40 years is unfair and rigged? You're an idiot. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells should know 2 wrongs don't make a right especially when Terran has been nerfed into the ground and yea, it was definitely balanced for the most part pre-patch and TvZ was the BEST matchup to watch/play. It's like saying that it would be correct for them to change it so in TvP a Protoss has to stick with gateway units against Thors,Battlecruisers,Ravens and Ghosts. We should be working towards a more balanced game, not tit for tat. Stephano never had a problem with early pressure and nor did any of the professional Zergs which is supposedly what the guys at Blizzcrap are trying to balance the game for. Maybe we have different philosophy. You think Step1.60-40 Step2.55-45 Step3.50-50 is the way to balance. I think Step1.60-40 Step2. 40-60 Step2. 50-50 is the way to go. Also, you think it was 50-50 before patch. I think it was like 55-45 before patch, so it is 45-55 today. It is like depression is necessary so that bad companies go out of business. Both sides should experience bad times at least once.
Oh man these posts are gold. Keep them up lawl.
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On July 06 2012 21:40 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:38 The KY wrote:On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better. Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game. u mean in game where "terran has to apply pressure early to get on par" ? while terran can't do anything early except die to some early cheese himself?
Explain to me why having to put on pressure is a bad thing. That's not the problem. The problem is the old pressures don't work and we have yet to work out the new ones.
Regardless, take it to the balance discussion thread, and I'd recommend being more impartial; to use exaggerations and say that terran can't do 'anything' just obscures whatever validity your concern may have had and makes you sound like a whiner.
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On July 06 2012 21:38 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better. Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game.
I agree with this but people have to admit there is an issue when winratio in a certain match-up is around 30% and all Korean pros(not foreigners, like Idra in the past for Zerg) are stating how ridiculous a match-up is.
I think everyone who is watching SC2 at the moment can see a problem as it's not possible for a Terran to keep up with Zerg, nor is it possible to do any early game pressure. Funny example of this would be Symbol vs MarineKing in GSL recently, where MarineKing was being flamed for being greedy with a 14cc while Symbol went two hatches before pool and it was called "standard" and MKP couldn't do anything to prevent it.
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On July 06 2012 21:37 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:34 Falconblade wrote:
Some one tell me. NASL finals on the day of the next Slayers GSTL match? Will Puzzle and Alicia (and PuMa) stay for GSTL, or go to NASL? I'd assume go to NASL. Yes, I think that Puzzle and Alicia are likely going to skip out, while Puma and Huk will probably go. It sucks for sure
Ouch, will NASL just invite the next two highest seeds or something that didn't make it past ro16? A 6 man tournament would be atrociously bad.
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On July 06 2012 21:48 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:37 Bagration wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Falconblade wrote:
Some one tell me. NASL finals on the day of the next Slayers GSTL match? Will Puzzle and Alicia (and PuMa) stay for GSTL, or go to NASL? I'd assume go to NASL. Yes, I think that Puzzle and Alicia are likely going to skip out, while Puma and Huk will probably go. It sucks for sure Ouch, will NASL just invite the next two highest seeds or something that didn't make it past ro16? A 6 man tournament would be atrociously bad.
No, the players they eliminated (TT1 and Sen) in the Ro16 will go.
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On July 06 2012 21:48 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:37 Bagration wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Falconblade wrote:
Some one tell me. NASL finals on the day of the next Slayers GSTL match? Will Puzzle and Alicia (and PuMa) stay for GSTL, or go to NASL? I'd assume go to NASL. Yes, I think that Puzzle and Alicia are likely going to skip out, while Puma and Huk will probably go. It sucks for sure Ouch, will NASL just invite the next two highest seeds or something that didn't make it past ro16? A 6 man tournament would be atrociously bad.
looks like puma will be getting his 3rd nasl championship with alicia and puzzle out
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On July 06 2012 21:46 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:38 The KY wrote:On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better. Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game. I agree with this but people have to admit there is an issue when winratio in a certain match-up is around 30% and all Korean pros(not foreigners, like Idra in the past for Zerg) are stating how ridiculous a match-up is. I think everyone who is watching SC2 at the moment can see a problem as it's not possible for a Terran to keep up with Zerg, nor is it possible to do any early game pressure. Funny example of this would be Symbol vs MarineKing in GSL recently, where MarineKing was being flamed for being greedy with a 14cc while Symbol went two hatches before pool and it was called "standard" and MKP couldn't do anything to prevent it.
I'm relatively (but not entirely) confident that it'll work itself out. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Blizz did a u-turn on the queen range though.
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On July 06 2012 21:40 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:32 The KY wrote:On July 06 2012 21:27 Orek wrote:On July 06 2012 21:17 Kamwah wrote:On July 06 2012 21:03 Orek wrote:On July 06 2012 20:52 dohgg wrote:
I have a legitimate question for dear TL community...
Isnt it redcioules that all most "All kills" or "All kills" are done by zerg players, and most of them are vs majority of terrans? Not a QQ post, just mention some redicoules facts...
Its sad, TvZ used to be best mu few months ago... ZvT was ridiculous for like 1 year, well, at least more than 6 months. After Terran suffer for 6 more months, then we talk. Until then. When republican wins presidential election, democrat has to wait for 4 years. Zerg lost election when the game came out, so they waited. It is Terran turn to wait now. If you are democrat, don't you think republican winning president for 40 years is unfair and rigged? You're an idiot. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells should know 2 wrongs don't make a right especially when Terran has been nerfed into the ground and yea, it was definitely balanced for the most part pre-patch and TvZ was the BEST matchup to watch/play. It's like saying that it would be correct for them to change it so in TvP a Protoss has to stick with gateway units against Thors,Battlecruisers,Ravens and Ghosts. We should be working towards a more balanced game, not tit for tat. Stephano never had a problem with early pressure and nor did any of the professional Zergs which is supposedly what the guys at Blizzcrap are trying to balance the game for. Maybe we have different philosophy. You think Step1.60-40 Step2.55-45 Step3.50-50 is the way to balance. I think Step1.60-40 Step2. 40-60 Step2. 50-50 is the way to go. Also, you think it was 50-50 before patch. I think it was like 55-45 before patch, so it is 45-55 today. It is like depression is necessary so that bad companies go out of business. Both sides should experience bad times at least once. ..nnnnope. Absolutely no need for it. What? What's the link beetween corporations business and the balance of starcraft 2????? And no, it is not 45-55 today. What's the rationale behing that the other side should experience bad times? It doesn't make sc2 balance better ._. all you're asking is an eye for an eye
Only when players are hard pressed, new strategies come out. A race that is having relatively easier time would not have to deveop strategy as much. In order for both sides to refine strategies, bad times are necessary for both sides. At least that's how I feel. I would be lying if I say I have no eye for an eye attitude, but I truly believe hard time is needed for all 3 races. Ghost nerf and queen buff are both too much I feel, but because of these, Terran strategy development started to be so much more serious. Zerg basically had to abandon mutalisk entirely after about 1 year of strategy development, Terran has not reached that level yet, I think.
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On July 06 2012 21:49 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:46 noddy wrote:On July 06 2012 21:38 The KY wrote:On July 06 2012 21:37 dohgg wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Tsubbi wrote:On July 06 2012 21:33 bkrow wrote:
Why is there so much balance whining going on.. Holy crap Dx also there are so little bans lately, the whine is overwhelming atm Theres no complaining bout balance - Terrans are only mentioning facts... zerg all killing way too much.. maybe we're just fools and the zerg players are suddenly way better. Or maybe they are having a period of dominance in a very specific area (team league) that is expected in an asymmetrical strategy game. I agree with this but people have to admit there is an issue when winratio in a certain match-up is around 30% and all Korean pros(not foreigners, like Idra in the past for Zerg) are stating how ridiculous a match-up is. I think everyone who is watching SC2 at the moment can see a problem as it's not possible for a Terran to keep up with Zerg, nor is it possible to do any early game pressure. Funny example of this would be Symbol vs MarineKing in GSL recently, where MarineKing was being flamed for being greedy with a 14cc while Symbol went two hatches before pool and it was called "standard" and MKP couldn't do anything to prevent it. I'm relatively (but not entirely) confident that it'll work itself out. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Blizz did a u-turn on the queen range though.
What was the problem before it? Lets say it does work itself out and terran learnd some new timing like idra says they will. Why fix what wasnt broke? I never heard anyone ask for queen change. Reminds me of flux veins nerf no one asked for but IMO it's actually game changing.
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On July 06 2012 21:49 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 21:48 Falconblade wrote:On July 06 2012 21:37 Bagration wrote:On July 06 2012 21:34 Falconblade wrote:
Some one tell me. NASL finals on the day of the next Slayers GSTL match? Will Puzzle and Alicia (and PuMa) stay for GSTL, or go to NASL? I'd assume go to NASL. Yes, I think that Puzzle and Alicia are likely going to skip out, while Puma and Huk will probably go. It sucks for sure Ouch, will NASL just invite the next two highest seeds or something that didn't make it past ro16? A 6 man tournament would be atrociously bad. looks like puma will be getting his 3rd nasl championship with alicia and puzzle out
I don't know, he faces MC first, then the winner of Stephano-Hero...
Wait a minute, what am I saying? This is NASL. Puma is sure to win.
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damn, wasn't expecting coca to all-kill prime, congrats
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Wow! Just saw the results. Nice job, CoCa! 
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