FnaticRC vs MVP Game 2: ★★★★ Game 2 was a TvP. A 2 base timing attack vs a drop to a near empty base. The game was pretty exciting because the end result was unexpected.
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 3: ★★★ Game 3 was a (I can't say because it will spoil who won last game). But it seems like the very aggressive style of one player and his multitasking skills were enough to for the other player to play rather poorly. The other player however had great macro and played the game out.
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 4: ★★★ Game 4 was a TvZ. A pretty nice TvZ in terms of action. But a terrible TvZ because of an anticlimatic ending. The game had a ton of action and a lot of nice back and forths, but the the way the game ended was a let down.
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 5: ★★★★ Game 5 was a _v_. A very nice game. There was one moment where you thought for sure the player had it and then BAM! Dude makes a comeback and forces his way back into the game.
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 6: ★★★★ Game 6 was a TvZ. What a great game. A lot of nice back and forths went on. Tons of base sniping and harasses. Overall a fun game to watch.
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 8: ★★★ Game 8 was a PvZ. Really dull game until the end where the mothership vortex was the highlight of the game. Zerg played well with amazing infestor micro however, and made the game very exciting
FnaticRC vs MVP Game 9: ★★★★ Game 9 was a _v_. WHAT A WAY TO END THE DAY! Ridiculous aggression from both sides. Game ended relatively short because neither went further than 2 base but it was a good game
On June 29 2012 04:58 SeeKeR wrote: This thread is getting no hype T-T
Too many other tournaments going on right now....
There, there :<
Since Fnatic has been pulling off upsets this season, I think it would be unwise to underestimate them anymore. Logic says MVP should take this fairly easily, but I wouldn't put it past Moon/ByuL/Alive to go on a tear and score a win.
On June 29 2012 04:58 SeeKeR wrote: This thread is getting no hype T-T
Too many other tournaments going on right now....
Hey, I've waited ages for this thread. And you go off making it when I sleep. Tsch. :/
Anyway, HYPE!!!! Really excited for this, been too long without Moon for me. It's time for the all-kill after 3 straight series with kills to the other team. If it ends up with another 3-kill though ByuL can easily clean it up. Everything is doable when you have the Fifth Race on your team!
Also glad that after over a year of haters hating like haters hate, Moon is finally getting some real love from the community. Shame it's mainly fair weather fans but hey ho, what can you do. Better than the useless haters who don't even do research. ^_^
On June 29 2012 09:24 IMMoonLight wrote: Why have Tails in votes????He is unable to attean the GSTL because he is in China now... Moon !GGG!You can make it!
I did not know this. Thank you.
But I don't think it really matters, TAiLS has 1 vote :/
On June 29 2012 09:24 IMMoonLight wrote: Why have Tails in votes????He is unable to attean the GSTL because he is in China now... Moon !GGG!You can make it!
I did not know this. Thank you.
But I don't think it really matters, TAiLS has 1 vote :/
On June 29 2012 18:13 SeeKeR wrote: wtf zhurai, where u been?
hmm...I thought I said I wasn't doing the kpop stuff.......until well.. when daylight savings ends
or at least I said I wasn't gonna do it much anyways... been busy with setting up some other stuff (sc2 community, and some other stuff) zzz... on another note I got a new comp
On June 29 2012 18:13 SeeKeR wrote: wtf zhurai, where u been?
hmm...I thought I said I wasn't doing the kpop stuff.......until well.. when daylight savings ends
or at least I said I wasn't gonna do it much anyways... been busy with setting up some other stuff (sc2 community, and some other stuff) zzz... on another note I got a new comp
Huh..... well notify me first next time. I fired you like 50x already. And rehired you 50x. Btw, you're fired
On June 29 2012 18:13 SeeKeR wrote: wtf zhurai, where u been?
hmm...I thought I said I wasn't doing the kpop stuff.......until well.. when daylight savings ends
or at least I said I wasn't gonna do it much anyways... been busy with setting up some other stuff (sc2 community, and some other stuff) zzz... on another note I got a new comp
Huh..... well notify me first next time. I fired you like 50x already. And rehired you 50x. Btw, you're fired
hm thought I did. sorry
oh well
and lolk
EDIT: as long as I guess I'm rehired when I can do so again anyways
On June 29 2012 18:24 Elem wrote: Tails is playing in the G-League, a prestigious tournament in China for various games. It currently includes SC2.
Smart choice, lotta prize money in G-League and not that much high calibre competition.
Do not underestimate the Chinese. Loner, Xigua, LoveTT, LoveCD, Jim and MacSed are all formidable opponents.
Well yeah, but it's not exactly the same calibre of competition in even the korean TSL4 qualifiers. Nothing against the chinese players, but it's a fact that most koreans are simply better.
that was oz game to lose, after his initial attack he was on 48 probes to 30, dont understand why he tried to attack again with 2 archons and 4 zealots, lucky win for finale but i take it!
On June 29 2012 18:35 Lavalamp799 wrote: ah crap I just fell asleep at the start of the game, what happened?
Oz went DTs into Blink, Finale went Phoenix into robo + colossi.
Oz won a key battle with zealot, blink stalker, archon but decided to try to force a 2nd battle and lost that one leading to him losing to the counter attack.
On June 29 2012 18:37 Belisarius wrote: Wow, fnatic throwing their big guns around early. Surely finale's not that scary?
Finale is actually that scary, probably their best protoss now that Tails is in china and Genius left. Remember, Finale was their key player in the season MVP won.
On June 29 2012 18:35 Lavalamp799 wrote: ah crap I just fell asleep at the start of the game, what happened?
both tech off 1 gate (I think) oz - DT finale - stargate, robo oz - blink, expo finale - phoenix + immortal, expo
then a really nice engagement by oz at finale's natural, he was very ahead after this but threw it away somehow I stopped watching for a minute, then died to colossi
On June 29 2012 18:34 pdd wrote: And Oz's losing streak continues (I know he won 1 game vs Maru, but still.. his been on a downward trend recently)
I heard he got a girlfriend. We all know what that does to players... xD
MC beg to differ. DRG beg to differ.
I'm not sure about DRG, but MC fell off for a while when he first met his girlfriend, I think. DRG's also had his small down periods like when he got knocked out of the last GSL. /shrug
On June 29 2012 18:34 pdd wrote: And Oz's losing streak continues (I know he won 1 game vs Maru, but still.. his been on a downward trend recently)
I heard he got a girlfriend. We all know what that does to players... xD
MC beg to differ. DRG beg to differ.
I'm not sure about DRG, but MC fell off for a while when he first met his girlfriend, I think. DRG's also had his small down periods like when he got knocked out of the last GSL. /shrug
Oh comon, If you've been following the history of DRG, you'd know that DRG went into a mini-slump due to being demoralized by being defeated a second time by MKP in the finals at MLG Winter Championship. The fans and I had to draw DRG tons of pictures to get him back on his feet.
On June 29 2012 18:58 Die4Ever wrote: I always find it confusing when both players attack the same rocks lol, shouldn't destroying the rocks favor 1 player more than the other?
On June 29 2012 18:52 SeeKeR wrote: Okay seriously.
Just tell me.
What is it about that song that annoys you guys so much?
it's catchy, fun, and it's a happy song.
Why the hate?
lol, do you even have to ask?
answer the question
nah, personally i can say i'm a fan of anything catchy. whether it be lady gaga, gangstarr, or this song on gom. it is what it is to me....but everyone else has this sort of cognitive bias (i think thats the right word) to things that are popular, hip, catchy...they feel the need to look at it and let it be known that they are not a fan of this popular thing, potentially making them feel more unique or independent...or maybe they're subconciously rebelling against something of the sort. but that's why i said do you even have to ask, cause you obviously know that...i mean most people do. the typical person that listens to stuff mindlessly on the radio is the typical mainstream idiot caught up in pop culture and such, people try very hard to seperate themselves from this image to feign intelligence and such but don't realize music doesn't define you as a person.
On June 29 2012 18:52 SeeKeR wrote: Okay seriously.
Just tell me.
What is it about that song that annoys you guys so much?
it's catchy, fun, and it's a happy song.
Why the hate?
lol, do you even have to ask?
answer the question
nah, personally i can say i'm a fan of anything catchy. whether it be lady gaga, gangstarr, or this song on gom. it is what it is to me....but everyone else has this sort of cognitive bias (i think thats the right word) to things that are popular, hip, catchy...they feel the need to look at it and let it be known that they are not a fan of this popular thing, potentially making them feel more unique or independent...or maybe they're subconciously rebelling against something of the sort. but that's why i said do you even have to ask, cause you obviously know that...i mean most people do. the typical person that listens to stuff mindlessly on the radio is the typical mainstream idiot caught up in pop culture and such, people try very hard to seperate themselves from this image to feign intelligence and such but don't realize music doesn't define you as a person.
On June 29 2012 18:52 SeeKeR wrote: Okay seriously.
Just tell me.
What is it about that song that annoys you guys so much?
it's catchy, fun, and it's a happy song.
Why the hate?
lol, do you even have to ask?
answer the question
nah, personally i can say i'm a fan of anything catchy. whether it be lady gaga, gangstarr, or this song on gom. it is what it is to me....but everyone else has this sort of cognitive bias (i think thats the right word) to things that are popular, hip, catchy...they feel the need to look at it and let it be known that they are not a fan of this popular thing, potentially making them feel more unique or independent...or maybe they're subconciously rebelling against something of the sort. but that's why i said do you even have to ask, cause you obviously know that...i mean most people do. the typical person that listens to stuff mindlessly on the radio is the typical mainstream idiot caught up in pop culture and such, people try very hard to seperate themselves from this image to feign intelligence and such but don't realize music doesn't define you as a person.
whut. i just dislike it cuz the lyrics are stupid. You're trying too had
On June 29 2012 18:52 SeeKeR wrote: Okay seriously.
Just tell me.
What is it about that song that annoys you guys so much?
it's catchy, fun, and it's a happy song.
Why the hate?
lol, do you even have to ask?
answer the question
nah, personally i can say i'm a fan of anything catchy. whether it be lady gaga, gangstarr, or this song on gom. it is what it is to me....but everyone else has this sort of cognitive bias (i think thats the right word) to things that are popular, hip, catchy...they feel the need to look at it and let it be known that they are not a fan of this popular thing, potentially making them feel more unique or independent...or maybe they're subconciously rebelling against something of the sort. but that's why i said do you even have to ask, cause you obviously know that...i mean most people do. the typical person that listens to stuff mindlessly on the radio is the typical mainstream idiot caught up in pop culture and such, people try very hard to seperate themselves from this image to feign intelligence and such but don't realize music doesn't define you as a person.
Thank you. Wish people could be more like you
heh, i find it even more comical when you look at these same people listening to k-pop. it's the same thing but they can't understand the words and such, so it's not bad then? put a korean girl saying call me maybe and they all love it. 8)
On June 29 2012 19:06 woody60707 wrote: What happen? I stopped watching and started reading about Skyrim: Dawnguard. I click back and Alive is winning/won.
It was 80(P) against 60(T) food, but a lot of the food was Zealots/immortal/Collosus. And Alive picked Finale apart with medivac drops. But it was poor play from Finale that made this possible.
Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
Dont blame the casters for their analysis. Anyone with a decent knowledge of how sc2 works at the pro level would've called it Finale's win. But finale just got too confident and spread himself too thin, people should be enjoying these games where near impossible comebacks are made possible by one player's mistakes and another's tenacity.
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a Misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
A comeback with drops like that is the equivalent of a hail mary pass. Sure, you don't expect it to work most of the time. But when it does, it's beautiful to see.
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a Misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
I really don't think it was a misread. I'm only half watching while playing D3 but I was thinking the whole time "Im not sure this is over..." He had upgrade advantage, mules are never to be underestimated and he had a drop killing probes while that attack was going on. A protoss on 1 base(he wasn't fully saturated anywhere) isn't that dangerous, especially vs upgraded marauders. Sure he was down but a come back wasnt that far fetched imo.
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
On June 29 2012 19:14 munchmunch wrote: A comeback with drops like that is the equivalent of a hail mary pass. Sure, you don't expect it to work most of the time. But when it does, it's beautiful to see.
Although I'm a terran player, that was painful to watch a player choke that bad D:
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
Please post more often here. We need men of sense and logic in our community.
There were 2 OCs, with the first base beginning to mine out. Wolf and Khaldor made the right calls, but they did skew it a little too much in Finale's favour when disregarding that.
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
Please post more often here. We need men of sense and logic in our community.
On June 29 2012 19:13 Mooster wrote: Dont blame the casters for their analysis. Anyone with a decent knowledge of how sc2 works at the pro level would've called it Finale's win. But finale just got too confident and spread himself too thin, people should be enjoying these games where near impossible comebacks are made possible by one player's mistakes and another's tenacity.
They just called it over too quickly, not the first time for them.
On June 29 2012 19:13 Mooster wrote: Dont blame the casters for their analysis. Anyone with a decent knowledge of how sc2 works at the pro level would've called it Finale's win. But finale just got too confident and spread himself too thin, people should be enjoying these games where near impossible comebacks are made possible by one player's mistakes and another's tenacity.
They just called it over too quickly, not the first time for them.
Yeah but in this situation it's not worth giving them shit for it. Every caster in the world would have called it in Finale's favor there.
On June 29 2012 19:12 Chantastic wrote: Stop bashing on Wolf and Khalador, it wasn't a Misread, Alive was down 40 supply with 10 SCVs on one base while Finale still had two bases up. It was a sound call, it was literally Finale's game to lose, and he let Alive back in by letting him do drops, teching through two paths at the same time while taking a third. Sure, MULES rock, but the casters aren't fucking clairvoyants, they had no way to know that Finale would choke that bad.
I really don't think it was a misread. I'm only half watching while playing D3 but I was thinking the whole time "Im not sure this is over..." He had upgrade advantage, mules are never to be underestimated and he had a drop killing probes while that attack was going on. A protoss on 1 base(he wasn't fully saturated anywhere) isn't that dangerous, especially vs upgraded marauders. Sure he was down but a come back wasnt that far fetched imo.
Excellent point, but with a proper response, IE chronoing out some probes, then remaking Collossi and pushing again, it should've been over. He lost all but two medivacs, and he wouldn't have been able to get the medivac count and viking count at the same time to deal without having zero ground army to harass/hold the follow up push.
On June 29 2012 19:13 Mooster wrote: Dont blame the casters for their analysis. Anyone with a decent knowledge of how sc2 works at the pro level would've called it Finale's win. But finale just got too confident and spread himself too thin, people should be enjoying these games where near impossible comebacks are made possible by one player's mistakes and another's tenacity.
They just called it over too quickly, not the first time for them.
Yeah but in this situation it's not worth giving them shit for it. Every caster in the world would have called it in Finale's favor there.
Yea ofcourse no need to totally bash on them for it
"In the 2011 GSL Super Tournament, he managed to reach the Round of 8 after upsetting TricKsteR and Min before being swept by MarineKing 0-3 in a series notorious for TheBest's poor banshee control." From Liquipedia
Took a break from watching too much professional SC2, but holy shit, running everything clumped into siege tanks ;p? Seems like nothing has changed ^^.
On June 29 2012 19:28 Fyzar wrote: Took a break from watching too much professional SC2, but holy shit, running everything clumped into siege tanks ;p? Seems like nothing has changed ^^.
On June 29 2012 19:28 Fyzar wrote: Took a break from watching too much professional SC2, but holy shit, running everything clumped into siege tanks ;p? Seems like nothing has changed ^^.
Monster is not top tier dude
Yeah some obvious mistakes by Monster. Very poor defense against drops.
On June 29 2012 19:29 Krossfire wrote: why still make ultras when terran is making rauders....
Spire was sniped, and everything everywhere was being picked off, there was no place, no time, no way to rebuild that spire, much less rebuild it and then have the greater spire up.
On June 29 2012 19:29 zocktol wrote: I still do not understand, WHY zergs go for Ultralisks, they are useless against good SimCity :O
Ultralisk are an unit where you can control the pace of the game. It was a perfect choice if he kept denieing the 4th base planetary with Ling/Ultra. And then when T can finally take and fortify that 4th you can tech to Bloodlords. But Monster trew this game. And he is normally a real beast...
When Z does that many banelings he has to do something more than just wipe terran army with em, either a ready remax & go again or win the game. They're so cost inefficient...
On June 29 2012 19:29 Krossfire wrote: why still make ultras when terran is making rauders....
Spire was sniped, and everything everywhere was being picked off, there was no place, no time, no way to rebuild that spire, much less rebuild it and then have the greater spire up.
I meant why keep making ultras when most of them arnt even hitting terran units....bad composition
he needed more infestors and lings so he can trap the mm
On June 29 2012 19:32 nojok wrote: When Z does that many banelings he has to do something more than just wipe terran army with em, either a ready remax & go again or win the game. They're so cost inefficient...
It didn't help that Alive killed about 30 Banelings with just two siege tanks.
Monster just botched almost every engagement in that game.
On June 29 2012 19:30 polyphonyEX wrote: aLive tonight reminds me of Mvp in his prime
sick play
only half true, he needs to be able to win with mech, too, to remind of the game genie terran....
If you recall, Mvp had a major slump a few months back where it seemed like he kept losing to MMA in every tournament... while going mech. At the same time aLive was playing some really good mech and beating a bunch of good Terrans in the GSL. So aLive can mech with the best of them
On June 29 2012 19:30 polyphonyEX wrote: aLive tonight reminds me of Mvp in his prime
sick play
only half true, he needs to be able to win with mech, too, to remind of the game genie terran....
If you recall, Mvp had a major slump a few months back where it seemed like he kept losing to MMA in every tournament... while going mech. At the same time aLive was playing some really good mech and beating a bunch of good Terrans in the GSL. So aLive can mech with the best of them
I think you're mixing up your time periods, Mvp lost to MMA in GSL October finals and then again in the Blizzard cup, which was 2011. Alive's rise when he was playing mech was a lot later.
Oh oops forgot to replace easier with harder On a more serious note though, it looks like he had serious nerve issues. Multitasking (in this case his drop defense) is the first thing to go ><
On June 29 2012 19:33 polyphonyEX wrote: MVP feeding alive another zerg. After this momentum he'll be able to take DRG no problem.
Maybe, but I feel like DRG is just on a whole different class than Sniper or Monster. Both solid players, definitely, but that game against Monster was kind of close and that was with very poor engagements on Monster's part along with poor drop defense. DRG always has very solid mechanics, Alive's multitasking won't be as effective against DRG as it was against Monster simply because DRG should be able to keep up.
On June 29 2012 19:30 polyphonyEX wrote: aLive tonight reminds me of Mvp in his prime
sick play
only half true, he needs to be able to win with mech, too, to remind of the game genie terran....
If you recall, Mvp had a major slump a few months back where it seemed like he kept losing to MMA in every tournament... while going mech. At the same time aLive was playing some really good mech and beating a bunch of good Terrans in the GSL. So aLive can mech with the best of them
I think you're mixing up your time periods, Mvp lost to MMA in GSL October finals and then again in the Blizzard cup, which was 2011. Alive's rise when he was playing mech was a lot later.
On June 29 2012 19:39 JJH777 wrote: After Alive beats Sniper they will send out DRG (they always seem to send him out as 4th player) and Alive will 11/11 and beat him.
On June 29 2012 19:30 polyphonyEX wrote: aLive tonight reminds me of Mvp in his prime
sick play
only half true, he needs to be able to win with mech, too, to remind of the game genie terran....
If you recall, Mvp had a major slump a few months back where it seemed like he kept losing to MMA in every tournament... while going mech. At the same time aLive was playing some really good mech and beating a bunch of good Terrans in the GSL. So aLive can mech with the best of them
I think you're mixing up your time periods, Mvp lost to MMA in GSL October finals and then again in the Blizzard cup, which was 2011. Alive's rise when he was playing mech was a lot later.
Mvp lost in Season 1 in Ro16 with a group of Curious, GuMiho, and... aLive. aLive would beat MMA 3-1 in the next round.
On June 29 2012 19:30 polyphonyEX wrote: aLive tonight reminds me of Mvp in his prime
sick play
only half true, he needs to be able to win with mech, too, to remind of the game genie terran....
If you recall, Mvp had a major slump a few months back where it seemed like he kept losing to MMA in every tournament... while going mech. At the same time aLive was playing some really good mech and beating a bunch of good Terrans in the GSL. So aLive can mech with the best of them
I think you're mixing up your time periods, Mvp lost to MMA in GSL October finals and then again in the Blizzard cup, which was 2011. Alive's rise when he was playing mech was a lot later.
Mvp lost in Season 1 in Ro16 with a group of Curious, GuMiho, and... aLive. aLive would beat MMA 3-1 in the next round.
hm yeah I guess you're right
I think Mvp vs MMA is more about mindgames and metagaming each other than general styles though.
On June 29 2012 19:34 Toppp wrote: Sniper = KillerMVP who was like rank 1 GM on Korea for a while with 70% ratio last season
I really don't think that means anything as a pro. The ladder I think is more for amateurs looking for a team that may not have any tourney results. If you're already a pro, tourney results are all that matters.
On June 29 2012 19:48 Koshi wrote: I am interested in resources lost after that push. Seems like Alive did some good damage and prevented a ton of drones.
He did not nearly enough to make up for the complete loss of pressure capability.
I'm confused as to why Alive moved out when he saw those lings and blings from the tower. I guess he thought he could micro well enough? Just seemed. . .strange. I honestly can't see him winning now unless Sniper messes up hugely.
That pressure would be so much scarier on a smaller map. Sniper got a massive lead by shutting down those 2 pressures, but aLive doesn't seem to care about leads tonight
On June 29 2012 19:52 Mimi :D wrote: mvp is streaming the gstl on his channel. is this even legal?
Isn't the stream free in Korea already? It's on tv right?
How does that matter? It's still a premium service everywhere else, so what he's doing is not allowed.
I don't think he has his stream chat open so I don't think there's a way to tell him right now, either way It's Mvp I doubt GOM cares enough to fine him when he's not being malicious intentionally.
Hm Moon did so well in the past few weeks and is so hyped now that he is bound to lose today I think, still would love to see him own MVP if Alive even gives him the chance
Seems with the size of maps these days the slow push just doesn't exist any more. Terrans always just moving about in a giant ball and sieging whenever they think the Zerg is about to charge them -- which is invariably too late.
I CRINGE everytime I watch a Terran refusing to split
You serious? It's not "refusing to split", it's just fucking difficult in the middle of a game.
Compared to Sniper's "Herpaderp, I have 10 Mutas but I'm going to let 4 Vikings kill 8 Broods", I'd say Alive did just fine.
These guys are pro gamers. Dont give me that "its difficult crap". Move your army forward in a clump without perfect vision is a killer even at diamond level.
I CRINGE everytime I watch a Terran refusing to split
You serious? It's not "refusing to split", it's just fucking difficult in the middle of a game.
Compared to Sniper's "Herpaderp, I have 10 Mutas but I'm going to let 4 Vikings kill 8 Broods", I'd say Alive did just fine.
I'm not a professional gamer, but I ALWAYS split my army before moving out. I always scan ahead or send an scv ahead of my army. It's not that difficult.....
I CRINGE everytime I watch a Terran refusing to split
You serious? It's not "refusing to split", it's just fucking difficult in the middle of a game.
Compared to Sniper's "Herpaderp, I have 10 Mutas but I'm going to let 4 Vikings kill 8 Broods", I'd say Alive did just fine.
I'm not a professional gamer, but I ALWAYS split my army before moving out. I always scan ahead or send an scv ahead of my army. It's not that difficult.....
Except in that specific case he wasn't moving out, he was retreating from broodlords. I think he really did not want to engage there with Broodlords hanging out over head, and was just trying to run for it, but infestors caught up and he got caught in a bad position to split.
I CRINGE everytime I watch a Terran refusing to split
You serious? It's not "refusing to split", it's just fucking difficult in the middle of a game.
Compared to Sniper's "Herpaderp, I have 10 Mutas but I'm going to let 4 Vikings kill 8 Broods", I'd say Alive did just fine.
I'm not a professional gamer, but I ALWAYS split my army before moving out. I always scan ahead or send an scv ahead of my army. It's not that difficult.....
Sensor towers also do wonders
You can't really split your army before moving because they will clump.
But yes, it was bad play by professional standard. However, Sniper pretty clearly made the vastly worse play so. . .
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that. People saw Moon play, and then said to themselves, I should just play Night Elf my way. People try to imitate Flash.
The games are just too different. There is no macro in Warcraft III.
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that. People saw Moon play, and then said to themselves, I should just play Night Elf my way. People try to imitate Flash.
The games are just too different. There is no macro in Warcraft III.
okay okay
Man.... now I wish I had watched WC3 when it was big
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that. People saw Moon play, and then said to themselves, I should just play Night Elf my way. People try to imitate Flash.
The games are just too different. There is no macro in Warcraft III.
No, people said exatcly the same thing about Flash, to not even try imitating him. It never worked for others.
I can dig up In_Dove comment on that, but im lazy.
I was so fucking confused at the beginning of that flank, I was like "why does sniper's roaches kind of look like Moon's roaches?" But then I realized it was actually an amazing flank.
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
You can't say that his awesome zvz won him the game. Moon clearly overextended throwing the advantage he got from gosu flanking.
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
OK. Dotts are like cheap arbiters that can stasis a single ground unit and do mediocre damage. Orc has pretty poor anti-magic, which makes this effective since you can disable large portions of the orc army. In addition, orc functions somewhat like protoss in that their units can be ineffective alone, but have terrific synergy, so ripping certain units out (in particular the blademaster hero, which is like 50% of the orc army DPS) is really effective.
Faerie dragons are an anti-caster that can doe aoe damage to anything that spends mana. Human typically uses a pretty caster-heavy army. The problem is managing to use them without dying in the process, given that they're pretty expensive and fragile.
Zepplins + ballistas is half reaver micro and half pickup+dropping to avoid taking damage
Archers and AoWs a mirror matchup style that is about the most hilarious thing to play in the game. AoW is the night elf barracks equivalent, and (like most NE buildings) can uproot itself to move slowly and attack. NE mirrors will sometimes devolve into a micro war where both sides are using a hilariously slow and hard-to-kill tank with fragile archers behind them. Ballistas (long range splash siege units) also get involved.
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
Sniper is basically the reason why i bet on MVP taking this, he and DRG are amazing ZvZ players and Fnatic are a very zerg focussed team.
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
On June 29 2012 20:05 Elem wrote: IDK What you guys are on about.
There were 5 races in WC3, not 4.
Including Moon yeah Human Orc Undead Night Elf Moon
What race did Moon play?
The 5th?? You haven't been paying attention...
lol. In that sense, there are 4 races in SC. Terran/Zerg/Protoss/Flash
No, how Moon played, you couldn't imitate that.
That's not entirely accurate. He certainly pioneered many builds which eventually became widely used by NE, like dotts against orc, faerie dragons against hu, zepplin micro with ballistas and somewhat the lovely archer-aow mirror style.
you might as well be speaking hindu. what the heck?
OK. Dotts are like cheap arbiters that can stasis a single ground unit and do mediocre damage. Orc has pretty poor anti-magic, which makes this effective since you can disable large portions of the orc army. In addition, orc functions somewhat like protoss in that their units can be ineffective alone, but have terrific synergy, so ripping certain units out (in particular the blademaster hero, which is like 50% of the orc army DPS) is really effective.
Faerie dragons are an anti-caster that can doe aoe damage to anything that spends mana. Human typically uses a pretty caster-heavy army. The problem is managing to use them without dying in the process, given that they're pretty expensive and fragile.
Zepplins + ballistas is half reaver micro and half pickup+dropping to avoid taking damage
Archers and AoWs a mirror matchup style that is about the most hilarious thing to play in the game. AoW is the night elf barracks equivalent, and (like most NE buildings) can uproot itself to move slowly and attack. NE mirrors will sometimes devolve into a micro war where both sides are using a hilariously slow and hard-to-kill tank with fragile archers behind them. Ballistas (long range splash siege units) also get involved.
just jumping in to say thank you for bringing back those beautiful WC3 memories... good times
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
You can't say that his awesome zvz won him the game. Moon clearly overextended throwing the advantage he got from gosu flanking.
Yeah but until you watch those reps you can't say otherwise about his ZvZ lol.
On June 29 2012 20:23 Badfatpanda wrote: Snipers ZvZ, is so freakin good. Spent a bit of time watching his reps from yesterdays TSL qualifiers, that guy can fucking play. It's unfortunate a lot of his GSL matches were ZvT.
Where can you download these replays? oo
The replays are all posted in the OP of each qualifier post.
I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
On June 29 2012 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
On June 29 2012 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
Does anyone notice Khaldor is mixing up almost every single word tonight? 9-10 times or more he says the wrong player name when trying to refer to the other person, banelings instead of marines, tanks instead of broodlords etc.. lol.
On June 29 2012 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
On June 29 2012 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
Wow, Rain bringing it home, hopefully he can clean up the remaining kills When he plays for the late game and uses harass his play doesn't suck. All those 2 base allins leave some to be desired though ><
On June 29 2012 20:37 RPR_Tempest wrote: I remember when I was one of the only Rain fans out there. Everyone fucking despised him because he 2 raxed NesTea out of GSL and I was like "Come on guys, it's cool."
On June 29 2012 20:45 HansK wrote: Does anyone notice Khaldor is mixing up almost every single word tonight? 9-10 times or more he says the wrong player name when trying to refer to the other person, banelings instead of marines, tanks instead of broodlords etc.. lol.
Give the man a break, Germany dreams shattered for another 2 years.
On June 29 2012 20:49 MentalGNT wrote: Also, what's up with terrans getting caught unsieged today?
Zerglings are fast, you know. At one point in time, you have to unsiege to move forward. You cannot siege them one by one because the maps are to big these days.
i think rain's drop play should have been more aggressive. i think he could have sniped tech since sniper kept posturing his entire army outside of rains 4th...
On June 29 2012 21:03 Belisarius wrote: Why cancel the hatch? It's not like he did anything with the minerals.
it would be difficult to keep alive
No that's the thing, Khaldor just said this... if the lings waste time attacking the hatch that's actually great for Byul. It had quite a bit left before finishing, so it's not like he had to seriously risk losing it.
EPT
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