Thorzain's TvZ hasn't looked so hot recently at Dreamhack, Ret > Thorzain, and travelling time to consider too for Thorzain. Strelok. Morrow (ZvT current state, plus Morrow is just the better player) Hasu. Who is this Galaxy bloke?
On June 21 2012 13:28 Falconblade wrote: Thorzain's TvZ hasn't looked so hot recently at Dreamhack, Ret > Thorzain, and travelling time to consider too for Thorzain. Strelok. Morrow (ZvT current state, plus Morrow is just the better player) Hasu. Who is this Galaxy bloke?
Galaxy is a Korean Zerg on team MVP. Careful not to underestimate him, he did beat DRG in the Open Tournament to get this spot.
I'm really torn on this one but I think Thorzain is past his little bump in the road and has enough to clinch this match, needless to say it's going to be tough.
TT1 > Strelok
TT1 has shown us he's not the same player we saw in NASL2. If he adapts his play to Strelocks play-style I'm confident he can take this.
Beastyqt > Morrow
I'd say Morrow is definately the favourite on this but Beastyqt has show he's more than capable to cause an upset here, his run in the open bracket was amazing.
on a side notice how Ukraine is really becoming a power house of European Starcraft with all these up-and-coming players along with their already well established ones, pretty soon they'll be giving Sweden a run for their money
HasuObs > Galaxy
Got to be honest here, I don't really know Galaxy that well, so I'm just going with what I know. This match could easily go either way though.
On June 21 2012 21:10 Greendotz wrote: Thorzain > Ret
I'm really torn on this one but I think Thorzain is past his little bump in the road and has enough to clinch this match, needless to say it's going to be tough.
TT1 > Strelok
TT1 has shown us he's not the same player we saw in NASL2. If he adapts his play to Strelocks play-style I'm confident he can take this.
Beastyqt > Morrow
I'd say Morrow is definately the favourite on this but Beastyqt has show he's more than capable to cause an upset here, his run in the open bracket was amazing.
on a side notice how Ukraine is really becoming a power house of European Starcraft with all these up-and-coming players along with their already well established ones, pretty soon they'll be giving Sweden a run for their money
HasuObs > Galaxy
Got to be honest here, I don't really know Galaxy that well, so I'm just going with what I know. This match could easily go either way though.
Ret 3-1 Thorzain. Strelok 3-2 TT1 Beastyqt 3-2 MorroW. Basing this on watching Morrow play select yesterday in TSL and he looked quite poor IMO. Wish he'd just play one race. Galaxy 3-1 HasuObs
On June 22 2012 01:50 Hardigan wrote: how many players will eventually show up in the finals in toronto? 8 or 16?
8 plus the WCS Canada
so if Thorzain wins this, 4 out of 8 players on the finals will be EG players? Will they try to prevent team kills?
No. If Thorzain wins vs. Ret, he plays immediately against Demuslim in the round of 16. Winner makes it to the 8-man final. Even now, none of the players are currently in the finals. They haven't done the playoffs for that yet.
Edit. If Thorzain wins, he will play Puzzle. If Ret wins, he will play Demuslim. Clarification due to them sending people on by seeding, as opposed to bracket.
On June 22 2012 01:50 Hardigan wrote: how many players will eventually show up in the finals in toronto? 8 or 16?
8 plus the WCS Canada
so if Thorzain wins this, 4 out of 8 players on the finals will be EG players? Will they try to prevent team kills?
No. If Thorzain wins vs. Ret, he plays immediately against Demuslim in the round of 16. Winner makes it to the 8-man final. Even now, none of the players are currently in the finals. They haven't done the playoffs for that yet.
Not sure about Thorzain playing Ret (if he wins). I may be wrong but I think on stream they said they would reseed the wild card winners for the next round, in which case if Thorzain wins, he is still bottom seed so he would play Puzzle?
Really disappointed that the NASL Toronto finals is going to be final 8 instead of final 16. How are they gonna stretch out an 8 player tournament over 2 days? Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of snore time.
This is to be the first premier tournament to be held in my hometown and I was really looking foward to seeing as many of the top international stars compete live in person. Now that number is gonna be cut in half. What if Stephano, MC, DeMuslim, Puma, etc. are knocked out of the tournament at the Round of 16? Then they won't be coming to Toronto and I and all the other Canadian fans like myself won't be seeing them.
The WCS qualifiers is a sorry substitute for not having the NASL top 16. Promoting local players is great and it's nice that they'll get to play at a big event, but watching unknown semi-professional players just isn't as exciting to watch as watching players you already know and love.
The only people I recognize from the Canadian qualifiers page on liquipedia are Ryze and Attero. I assume HuK and TT1 are going to be competing as well whether or not they make it to the top 8 in the NASL? Any word about whether other Canadian pros will be showing up? (Kiwikaki, Slush, Drewbie, dde, Scarlett(!), Desrow, Stalife)
On June 22 2012 01:50 Hardigan wrote: how many players will eventually show up in the finals in toronto? 8 or 16?
8 plus the WCS Canada
so if Thorzain wins this, 4 out of 8 players on the finals will be EG players? Will they try to prevent team kills?
No. If Thorzain wins vs. Ret, he plays immediately against Demuslim in the round of 16. Winner makes it to the 8-man final. Even now, none of the players are currently in the finals. They haven't done the playoffs for that yet.
Not sure about Thorzain playing Ret (if he wins). I may be wrong but I think on stream they said they would reseed the wild card winners for the next round, in which case if Thorzain wins, he is still bottom seed so he would play Puzzle?
Yeah, see edit above. Thorzain will play Ret today, and if he wins, he plays the highest seed (Puzzle). The highest seed who wins today will play the lowest seed (Demuslim), so Ret/Strelok/Beasty/Galaxy in that order whoever wins gets to play Demuslim. The 2nd one to win on that list, or perhaps on a longer list, plays Stephano.
On June 22 2012 02:41 Gatesleeper wrote: Really disappointed that the NASL Toronto finals is going to be final 8 instead of final 16. How are they gonna stretch out an 8 player tournament over 2 days? Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of snore time.
This is to be the first premier tournament to be held in my hometown and I was really looking foward to seeing as many of the top international stars compete live in person. Now that number is gonna be cut in half. What if Stephano, MC, DeMuslim, Puma, etc. are knocked out of the tournament at the Round of 16? Then they won't be coming to Toronto and I and all the other Canadian fans like myself won't be seeing them.
The WCS qualifiers is a sorry substitute for not having the NASL top 16. Promoting local players is great and it's nice that they'll get to play at a big event, but watching unknown semi-professional players just isn't as exciting to watch as watching players you already know and love.
The only people I recognize from the Canadian qualifiers page on liquipedia are Ryze and Attero. I assume HuK and TT1 are going to be competing as well whether or not they make it to the top 8 in the NASL? Any word about whether other Canadian pros will be showing up? (Kiwikaki, Slush, Drewbie, dde, Scarlett(!), Desrow, Stalife)
Agreed, I am also very upset about this change in format. The regular season seems all the more meaningless. You can get first place in the entire league and you still need to win another BO5 to make it to the offline event. Last season top 2 in your group guaranteed you a spot at the offline finals, which is far simpler a format and far better for the players. Overall very disappointed with this change by NASL.
Also, I question whether or not the players are fully aware of this change in format. From watching recent interviews with HuK and him talking about his upcoming tournaments, he lists NASL as if he thinks he's already at the offline finals, when in reality he still needs to win a likely difficult BO5 to make it there.
On June 22 2012 02:41 Gatesleeper wrote: Really disappointed that the NASL Toronto finals is going to be final 8 instead of final 16. How are they gonna stretch out an 8 player tournament over 2 days? Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of snore time.
This is to be the first premier tournament to be held in my hometown and I was really looking foward to seeing as many of the top international stars compete live in person. Now that number is gonna be cut in half. What if Stephano, MC, DeMuslim, Puma, etc. are knocked out of the tournament at the Round of 16? Then they won't be coming to Toronto and I and all the other Canadian fans like myself won't be seeing them.
The WCS qualifiers is a sorry substitute for not having the NASL top 16. Promoting local players is great and it's nice that they'll get to play at a big event, but watching unknown semi-professional players just isn't as exciting to watch as watching players you already know and love.
The only people I recognize from the Canadian qualifiers page on liquipedia are Ryze and Attero. I assume HuK and TT1 are going to be competing as well whether or not they make it to the top 8 in the NASL? Any word about whether other Canadian pros will be showing up? (Kiwikaki, Slush, Drewbie, dde, Scarlett(!), Desrow, Stalife)
Agreed, I am also very upset about this change in format. The regular season seems all the more meaningless. You can get first place in the entire league and you still need to win another BO5 to make it to the offline event. Last season top 2 in your group guaranteed you a spot at the offline finals, which is far simpler a format and far better for the players. Overall very disappointed with this change by NASL.
I agree, I would have loved to see a top 16 in the finals, nicer bracket without being too big, especially since it is single elimination (I assume it still is?). And rewards the top 8 players + the next 8 that could work their way through the wildcard. The good thing is that bo5s will give us a bit more content, but 8 players over 2 days seems stretched.
On June 22 2012 02:41 Gatesleeper wrote: Really disappointed that the NASL Toronto finals is going to be final 8 instead of final 16. How are they gonna stretch out an 8 player tournament over 2 days? Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of snore time.
This is to be the first premier tournament to be held in my hometown and I was really looking foward to seeing as many of the top international stars compete live in person. Now that number is gonna be cut in half. What if Stephano, MC, DeMuslim, Puma, etc. are knocked out of the tournament at the Round of 16? Then they won't be coming to Toronto and I and all the other Canadian fans like myself won't be seeing them.
The WCS qualifiers is a sorry substitute for not having the NASL top 16. Promoting local players is great and it's nice that they'll get to play at a big event, but watching unknown semi-professional players just isn't as exciting to watch as watching players you already know and love.
The only people I recognize from the Canadian qualifiers page on liquipedia are Ryze and Attero. I assume HuK and TT1 are going to be competing as well whether or not they make it to the top 8 in the NASL? Any word about whether other Canadian pros will be showing up? (Kiwikaki, Slush, Drewbie, dde, Scarlett(!), Desrow, Stalife)
Agreed, I am also very upset about this change in format. The regular season seems all the more meaningless. You can get first place in the entire league and you still need to win another BO5 to make it to the offline event. Last season top 2 in your group guaranteed you a spot at the offline finals, which is far simpler a format and far better for the players. Overall very disappointed with this change by NASL.
I agree, I would have loved to see a top 16 in the finals, nicer bracket without being too big, especially since it is single elimination (I assume it still is?). And rewards the top 8 players + the next 8 that could work their way through the wildcard. The good thing is that bo5s will give us a bit more content, but 8 players over 2 days seems stretched.
Yes, I forgot that it's single elimination. That makes the 8 man format all the more silly.
It does seem the format has changed more than people expected, no direct seeding into the finals, it's more like pool play into brackets and winning your pool just allows you to skip a round.
on a side notice how Ukraine is really becoming a power house of European Starcraft with all these up-and-coming players along with their already well established ones, pretty soon they'll be giving Sweden a run for their money
Thanks for that, makes it a lot easier to follow.
While its true about Ukraine .. Beastyqt is Serbian
A-herp-a-derp you're absolutely right, I guess I reading his name but looking at Strelock's flag at the time >.< Although it now appears that he's Korean
I agree, I would have loved to see a top 16 in the finals, nicer bracket without being too big, especially since it is single elimination (I assume it still is?). And rewards the top 8 players + the next 8 that could work their way through the wildcard. The good thing is that bo5s will give us a bit more content, but 8 players over 2 days seems stretched.
I thought that at first too but the RO8 is BO5 and everything after that is BO7. I seem to remember the first three Shoutcraft Invitational's had almost the same format (except only the finals were BO7) and that fitted into 2 days nicely. I believe they started around late morning/midday and finished late (midnight/1am or there abouts). That coupled with the fact that WCS Canadian qualifiers are running simultaneously should mean they're sorted for content.
On June 22 2012 02:50 Zeppelin535 wrote:
Agreed, I am also very upset about this change in format. The regular season seems all the more meaningless. You can get first place in the entire league and you still need to win another BO5 to make it to the offline event.
While the RO8 is considered the 'Finals' the top 16 receive a prize fund. Coming top in your league (and thus making it to the RO16) guarantees you prize money, not to mention the potential $1200 to be made in the season. I'd hardly call that pointless.
You guys are also forgetting that, in Toronto we will also have:
- CSL Canadian Championship (4 Canadian universities playing) - NASL Tribes Grand Finals - Blizzard Canadian Championship (32 player double elim tournament) - NASL Grand Finals
This is a LOT of content to fit into two days, we will be broadcasting about 20 hours of content per stream (2-3 streams) over the weekend. There will definitely be no shortage of action!
With just two days, bringing 16 players was not feasible for what we're trying to accomplish. Furthermore, we made a decision to pay for 100% of the travel cost of the players, as opposed to just giving them a stipend like we did in Season 1 and Season 2, so it was a tradeoff.
We felt it would be better to eliminate the cost from teams entirely, but bring less players -- that way it rewards them even more for making it this far.
On June 22 2012 06:55 Xeris wrote: You guys are also forgetting that, in Toronto we will also have:
- CSL Canadian Championship (4 Canadian universities playing) - NASL Tribes Grand Finals - Blizzard Canadian Championship (32 player double elim tournament) - NASL Grand Finals
This is a LOT of content to fit into two days, we will be broadcasting about 20 hours of content per stream (2-3 streams) over the weekend. There will definitely be no shortage of action!
With just two days, bringing 16 players was not feasible for what we're trying to accomplish. Furthermore, we made a decision to pay for 100% of the travel cost of the players, as opposed to just giving them a stipend like we did in Season 1 and Season 2, so it was a tradeoff.
We felt it would be better to eliminate the cost from teams entirely, but bring less players -- that way it rewards them even more for making it this far.
There will be no shortage of action, but the overall quality of that action will be greatly diminished by only having the 8 NASL players there. CSL and WCS are great and all, but the quality of play will be nowhere near that of the NASL RO16 and onward. Also, there's far less star players in the CSL and WCS than the NASL. I'd really hate to not see MC, Stephano, etc. at the finals because of this format change.
Also, with an 8 man single elimination tournament, even in spite of BO5, the amount of content at the "NASL S3 Fianls" that will actually be from the NASL tournament seems surprisingly low.
Lowely is playing grossly terrible, first threw away game one. Now moved with queens and then tried to retreat with them/ why didnt he just fight???? 7 queens full of energy could have taken out a banshee or two and couple hellions. Instead they died for free WHERE did he send his curroptors both times he needed them????????? those banshees won the game
Lowely is not rdy for this skill lvl yet he do way to many mistakes however I have been very impressed by him this season. He do show flash of brilliance and im sure he wil do well in the future.
The days of the Terran tears may be over after the TvZs today (including Taeja in the GSL)! Great play by Beasty taking advantage of the 3 hatch greediness of zergs lately.
On June 22 2012 12:55 Dexington wrote: Pretty poor calls by Frodan this game. Calling engagements one way and they frequently go in the other way. Oh well, nobody is perfect.
He doesn't know what a paradox is either
But I still like him and Gretorp as a caster pair They work well together.
On June 22 2012 13:06 Dexington wrote: Man Gretorp is dropping some serious knowledge bombs. First the building armor rant, now the (actually logical) creep tumour nerf.
For everyone who missed it, Gretorp suggested to increase the amount of time it takes to spawn a creep tumor, so that queens could still have their range for defense, but the creep wouldn't extend as far, as fast.
On June 22 2012 13:06 Dexington wrote: Man Gretorp is dropping some serious knowledge bombs. First the building armor rant, now the (actually logical) creep tumour nerf.
For everyone who missed it, Gretorp suggested to increase the amount of time it takes to spawn a creep tumor, so that queens could still have their range for defense, but the creep wouldn't extend as far, as fast.
On June 22 2012 13:06 Dexington wrote: Man Gretorp is dropping some serious knowledge bombs. First the building armor rant, now the (actually logical) creep tumour nerf.
For everyone who missed it, Gretorp suggested to increase the amount of time it takes to spawn a creep tumor, so that queens could still have their range for defense, but the creep wouldn't extend as far, as fast.
Thats actually really smart. If I were David Kim I would change Queen armor type to light. Defending all ins then requires spines (more detrimental to economy) and hellions can somewhat engage queens. Hellion marauder might be too strong though.
On June 22 2012 13:20 Dexington wrote: Shattered Temple
Hehe, I cant even count on how many times I watched this scenerio on this map. But Morrow should have known or atleast assume something would be fishy and prepared for it. So wellplayed Beasty!
On June 22 2012 13:06 Dexington wrote: Man Gretorp is dropping some serious knowledge bombs. First the building armor rant, now the (actually logical) creep tumour nerf.
For everyone who missed it, Gretorp suggested to increase the amount of time it takes to spawn a creep tumor, so that queens could still have their range for defense, but the creep wouldn't extend as far, as fast.
i just watched a game where Qxc places a bunker near the ramp leading to the zerg base to control the spread. i think the game was vs sheth
On June 22 2012 13:54 Dexington wrote: We need to stop referencing Mondragon vs Zeerax in TSL3. Quite possible the worst and most meaningless series in a major tournament.
Yeah, it was a pretty irrelevant series, but it was fun to watch.
OK, the logic on the 6 pool eludes me, I understand that the rocks at the third make it too hard to beat forge fast expand, but how can it possibly be economically efficient to execute a 6 pool that doesn't win the game, like Galaxy just did?
On June 22 2012 14:41 compucomp wrote: OK, the logic on the 6 pool eludes me, I understand that the rocks at the third make it too hard to beat forge fast expand, but how can it possibly be economically efficient to execute a 6 pool that doesn't win the game, like Galaxy just did?
By killing the forge or forcing Hasu to cancel it, it forces Hasu to build a pylon and cannon at his main and delays his expansion. Hasu is forced to build a gate to clear the lings before expanding.
The reason why Gretorp and Frodan got excited was that Hasu almost got his cannon at his expansion up, in addition to the cannon at the main. That would have allowed Hasu to expand easily and put him far in the lead.
This 6/7-pool only makes sense on Taldarim, because a Zerg's third is either delayed by the rocks, or has to be put in a very awkward position (at the fourth), making Zerg very vulnerable to almost all two-base Toss all-ins.
On June 22 2012 13:54 Dexington wrote: We need to stop referencing Mondragon vs Zeerax in TSL3. Quite possible the worst and most meaningless series in a major tournament.
Yeah, it was a pretty irrelevant series, but it was fun to watch.
Indeed, and it's still Mondragon! Who couldn't love Mondi?
Belsheir beach as the deciding map, lol. Just lost quite a bit of interest in the NASL finals, but the lineup still looks pretty good so I'm gonna watch anyway.
Hasu seems to be in a little slump since his loss in the WCS final.
I don't like the NASL system. Morrow and Hasuobs worked so hard to qualify for Wildcards. Then Beastyqt and Galaxy come along who just were top2 in a single elimination tourney.
Love the casters, especially the way they characterized Hasuobs play. "Oh look, I have a perfect opening now for an attack, what a great time to expand and plan my next attack."
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