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On June 18 2012 18:39 thepeonwhocould wrote:
I really don't understand why everyone is criticising Supernova, I think he is playing excellent. You cannot simply sit back and macro against a Zerg on a huge map like this.
Every time Supernova pushes he takes out another Zerg base, forces a ton of banelings, trades efficiently, and he has perfect macro behind it.
The only time he lost a battle was when the zerg got his ultralisks which are extremely hard to counter in TvZ. I think this matchup is just way too difficult on this map, he is fighting an uphill battle..
It would help if Artosis and Tastless would do a little bit of research on how Terran is played these days  . They're giving the audience the wrong impression ^_^
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Wow... entertaining game 
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so after Supernova's big lead in the beginning of the game, I went to watch DH Dota tournament and come back to Ultra's tearing Supernova apart. WTF?
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On June 18 2012 18:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:42 SolidMoose wrote:
And ultras are getting...burrow charge?
O_O ultras are so fucking good i can't believe some people think they are bad...
they're bad when zergs are stupid.
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WTF?
After Sniper was way down in supply, in decided to go outside cause i was sure he would be dead soon.
How did he come back?
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On June 18 2012 18:39 Yello wrote:It's also interesting to see that the Zerg army is actually more cost- and supply-effective then the Terran army. Zerg behind one base all the game and still winning the engagements.
That's not zerg being more cost efficient. That was some abominably bad T army control! Abominably bad!
EDIT: zomg, I upgraded to dragoon! Wait a minute, that means ramps are my weakness! Nuuuuu!
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On June 18 2012 18:42 SolidMoose wrote:
And ultras are getting...burrow charge?
O_O
Yeah. That upgrade really needs to go now that everyone's so good at using them already and now that Zerg has so many other weapons to help Ultras out.
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it looks like supernova lost because he let zerg being strong in his head.
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On June 18 2012 18:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:42 SolidMoose wrote:
And ultras are getting...burrow charge?
O_O ultras are so fucking good i can't believe some people think they are bad...
Ultras and Fungal
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Sniper actually played that out perfectly. That was exceptional.
SuperNova played terribly. Yes, you pressure to stop overdroning, but you DO NOT do half hearted pushes like that. That beats an overdrone, sure, but it also gives the Zerg a far larger opportunity to come back than the far delayed possibility of coming back from overdroning.
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i dont get why sniper stayed on ~60 drones so long but it worked anyway
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On June 18 2012 18:42 DarKcS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:39 KonohaFlash wrote:On June 18 2012 18:31 FuzzyJAM wrote:
If Supernova somehow loses this game it's going to be pretty fucking embarrassing. How would it be embarrassing? This is how TvZ is supposed to be after patch Most of the buffs were mental. Get over it. I never saw a queen even hit a hellion in that match.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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Wierd game.. thought Supernova would autowin because of eco lead:s Guess he threw away too much
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On June 18 2012 18:42 DarKcS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:39 KonohaFlash wrote:On June 18 2012 18:31 FuzzyJAM wrote:
If Supernova somehow loses this game it's going to be pretty fucking embarrassing. How would it be embarrassing? This is how TvZ is supposed to be after patch Most of the buffs were mental. Get over it. I never saw a queen even hit a hellion in that match.
then you must not get what the patch indirectly influenced
(hint: same range as several other units that terran has, and thus makes queens more cost efficient against those units when unupgraded, also the fact that it gets their creep spread all the way to the opponent's base)
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On June 18 2012 18:44 KonohaFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:42 Dodgin wrote:On June 18 2012 18:42 SolidMoose wrote:
And ultras are getting...burrow charge?
O_O ultras are so fucking good i can't believe some people think they are bad... Ultras and Fungal
of course, ultras with ling and infestor support are godly.
ultras alone will die horribly.
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On June 18 2012 18:43 Snowbear wrote:
Okay I am totally clueless about this game. After the first successful push followed by good aggression and macro, I thought supernova had this? Am I missing something here?
Zerg can tech to ultras and infestors and broodlords while being on 3 bases. Even after loosing a base.
And supernova lost because of... TANKS! Stop making those nerfed pieces of shit!
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On June 18 2012 18:42 The_Unseen wrote:
Just arrived, what did Supernova fuck up? What was the opening? Looked pretty textbook lategame ZvT when I arrived
SuperNova hit a brutal MM hellion timing that caught Sniper being really greedy going 3 base straight into spire/infestation pit.
Did a massive amount of damage, had a massive lead almost all game long, but tried to keep up the pressure and was never able to kill off Sniper and then Sniper hit Hive tech and won after a couple of engagements =D
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On June 18 2012 18:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
unbelievable, how the hell did Supernova fuck that up so much xD
how did he fuck up because of the superficial analysis of Artosis ? he still secured a much better econ and traded cost efficiently while denying expos, just sniper did get hive, suicided an army, was fine, and Supernova counter attacked, died.
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On June 18 2012 18:40 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 18:39 Yello wrote:On June 18 2012 18:37 Domination wrote:
This game is impressively mediocre. It's also interesting to see that the Zerg army is actually more cost- and supply-effective then the Terran army. Zerg behind one base all the game and still winning the engagements. The illusion of zerg needing to be way up in bases vs Terran had a lot to do with ling/bling/muta being the standard imo. Now that zergs actually use infestor/BL/Ultra their army is a lot more cost efficient.
The problem I have with that, is that terran can't reinforce as fast as Zerg.
Against Ling-Bling-Muta terran can win fights by microing better. Fungal takes that away from the game.
I don't want to balance whine but this seems weird to me. It's just not right that Supernova lost that game.
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I guess everyone is suggesting that Supernova sits back and let's the zerg macro up to broodlord/infestor or Ultralisk and make 5 bases. Did you guys see what happened when Sniper got his late game army? Sniper crushes Supernova despite a 40 supply deficit. And Artosis/Tastless seem to be suggesting that SuperNova should have been more passive? Terran has to pressure in TvZ. SuperNova is a top player and those attacks were not mistakes. I think Artosis/Tastless are out of touch with the TvZ metagame, they need to go talk to some top korean Terrans. Terran is on a timer on that map in TvZ, they have to kill the zerg early or do a ton of damage, and somtimes even that is not enough, as we saw in that game.
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