There was some poor play shown. I think everyone can agree to that, and also that it's mostly coming from nerves.
The UK scene isn't as broad as some others and there are a lot of highly inexperienced players. It's not something to fight about. The UK still has some players who can at least compete at the NA/EU level.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
On July 01 2012 19:47 Anonymous_Coward wrote: So, 2-0 after early pressure from Demuslim..
I think if he can play aggressively with Medivacs and Stim he will slaughter Ourk. Otherwise the mass splash of Ourk's lategame will make it really close.
Why does no-one, including tournament organisers, understand Winners/Losers brackets in double elimination? This isn't the Losers bracket final.
The match between the loser of Ziktomini and JohnnyREcco (the Winners bracket final) and the winner of DeMusliM and Ourk will be the Losers bracket final. The Grand Final will be the winner of the Winners bracket final and the winner of the Losers bracket final.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US. Edit: At that point, you can even say there is no US scene or UK scene as far as high level players go, there are just good players than happen to come from the US or the UK. Like Stephano may be the best foreigner, it doesn't make France's scene any less weak.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
That has nothing to do with which nation has better Sc2 players. Both are pretty ordinary tbh.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
Wait... a guy from the US being condescending towards a country about being bad at SC2?
actually I'm the one assuming the players who have made it this far are going to execute their builds properly.
So yes, you are an American being condescending towards a country with a total population of 60 million compared to the US's 311 million about the level of play.
Demuslim, Ziktomini and so on are at least as good as the top NA pros. What does that tell you about UK compared to US?
I actually dont think there is an excuse for poor play at this stage really. It was as if zerg completely blanked out in that series.
I completely agree. The Zerg fell apart. But GDbushido was being an absolute asshat about it.
I can tell you struggle with reading comprehension so let me walk you through this
- I critique the play of two players in two games - people act like supply blocks, idle town halls, and poor tactical decisions are acceptable or something - I express DISAPPOINTMENT in the UK players for not playing better
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
All the US events get 'hijacked' by Koreans. Whats your point?
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
However, the US scene, partly due to the country having six times the population of the UK, is much broader.
Demuslim might be better in your opinion but there are plenty of people who could give him a competitive game: Illusion, sheth (on a good day), idra (last year), kawaii perhaps. The second tier of US players is pretty big. Axslav, minigun, gatored, machine, state, etc etc etc
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
Based on results I'd disagree.
Are you thinking about someone other than IdrA? He's got results in 2011, but is now barely competitive at US level. Maybe Sheth? Good results in team leagues, never placed high in anything individual. Wait, ViBe is pretty good though, I hear he won some event recently!
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
However, the US scene, partly due to the country having six times the population of the UK, is much broader.
Demuslim might be better in your opinion but there are plenty of people who could give him a competitive game: Illusion, sheth (on a good day), idra (last year), kawaii perhaps. The second tier of US players is pretty big. Axslav, minigun, gatored, machine, state, etc etc etc
That's mostly why I edited my post by saying that at high level, every scene other than Korea is basically non existent, and certainly not competitive internationally. Every country has his own great players though, who happened to be born in that country, but didn't get "created" by its scene. Korea is pretty much the only scene that grows players like cereals.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
All the US events get 'hijacked' by Koreans. Whats your point?
I think MLG is a bit of a grander scale than some local LAN party in the UK, its like comparing SuperBowl to Golf really everyone hears about the SB when it's on but I'm pretty sure the people outside UK didnt even know we had a LAN >_>
The point is that the people outside the UK are bashing our playerbase when we've had virtually 0 recognition aside from the obvious 2 which is why this event is a big deal for us. If we had another WCS this time next year, alot of people (including me actually) would be prepared it, get the confidence and not bottle it live on air like we've witnessed and put on a good show.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
Based on results I'd disagree.
Are you thinking about someone other than IdrA? He's got results in 2011, but is now barely competitive at US level. Maybe Sheth? Good results in team leagues, never placed high in anything individual. Wait, ViBe is pretty good though, I hear he won some event recently!
Dude, maybe 1.5 years ago but recently he hasn't been showing results, and often gets knocked out ridiculously early in tournaments to nonames or people he should easily beat. In form he's better than damn near everyone in the US but now, not so much.
On July 01 2012 19:24 snailz wrote: bronze scrubs that never played at a live event and under pressure should stfu and get off their high horse
it was questionable decision making engaging the stalkers, but you guys make it sound like he played a whole game like someone from diamond league, and got humiliated by his opponent in every possible way. which isn't the case, at all
there were at least five supply blocks between them in the last two games.
5 supply blocks......between 2 players.......in 2 games......... What a travesty!
so you're saying UK is so bad at sc2 they cant even be expected to macro properly
5bucks that the UK champion will get a lot further than the US champion. On?
I'd take that.
Are you guys seriously betting on which scene is better where 1 scene has seasonal events such as NASL, MLG and they're just examples and the other scene has 1 yearly LAN which is hosted around November time and yet our 1 yearly event is hijacked by people who are there for the prize pool and not the notoriety the UK people seek - Slayers_Ryung and Stephano hijacked our last one.
Biggest mismatch ever.
US scene (based on nationality, not international events) is very weak. Demuslim is probably better than everyone from the US.
Based on results I'd disagree.
Are you thinking about someone other than IdrA? He's got results in 2011, but is now barely competitive at US level. Maybe Sheth? Good results in team leagues, never placed high in anything individual. Wait, ViBe is pretty good though, I hear he won some event recently!
Demuslim doesn't do any better than those players. I'm not saying anyone from the US is fantastic, I'm just saying you're overstating Demuslims skill level. Don't get me wrong though, hes a strong player.
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