EPTStarCraft II WCS UK Nationals - Page 37
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ibo422
Belgium2844 Posts
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Sepi
Finland231 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:16 yeint wrote: What are you talking about? He was going mass MMM, he had all of the infrastructure needed for getting Ghosts. Rax with tech labs? Plenty. Just make 4 fewer Medivacs and you have the gas for cloak upgrade and Academy. It's basically the same exact infrastructure as we use in TvP - mass rax, no factory tech to speak of, reactored ports for viking spam. I think it's a nonsensical statement to say you can't afford 3 cloaked ghosts with that style before you hit food cap. He was but i was talking generally. You If Z doesnt go for ground based play and goes for realtively fast blords instead (which are pretty much free if you go for immediate 3 OC and relatively fast 4th). Its not the case. You have factories and couple of starports and barracks mainly just to produce marines. So setting it up takes too much time and its not very worthy unit in the general T late-game"ish" composition. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:23 Sepi wrote: He was but i was talking generally. You If Z doesnt go for ground based play and goes for realtively fast blords instead (which are pretty much free if you go for immediate 3 OC and relatively fast 4th). Its not the case. You have factories and couple of starports and barracks mainly just to produce marines. So setting it up takes too much time and its not very worthy unit in the general T late-game"ish" composition. But I'm not talking about the normal tank/marine composition, I'm talking about the style DeMuslim used in the matches we just saw. Obviously ghosts aren't viable in tank/marine styles. Tanks are the anti-infestor tech in that style. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:18 projectChaos wrote: Are you serious ? Have you ever seen a pro doing Ghosts in the last weeks ? Ghosts are history in ZvT. Terrans prefere to do marine tanks for the whole game. Early aggression with medivecs before infestors are out. "Late" tanks. Keep the zerg not too big and prevent a lategame. If Broods are out, try to split and avoid a big fight unless you have enough vikings. This morning, Sculp vs Symbol on Metalopolis. | ||
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:24 woody60707 wrote: It's so weird that tasteless has to keep asking to make some more noise. hehe its in the uk  | ||
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Adron
Netherlands839 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:24 woody60707 wrote: It's so weird that tasteless has to keep asking to make some more noise. the crowd is awed by the epicness of the 2 goatees onstage. shit i never shouldve shaved my beard  | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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ibo422
Belgium2844 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:26 Adron wrote: the crowd is awed by the epicness of the 2 goatees onstage. shit i never shouldve shaved my beard Lol.. well, maybe, just maybe  | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Sepi
Finland231 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:25 yeint wrote: But I'm not talking about the normal tank/marine composition, I'm talking about the style DeMuslim used in the matches we just saw. Obviously ghosts aren't viable in tank/marine styles. Tanks are the anti-infestor tech in that style. I'v been watching him aswell and your right and i know that style. But still i think that bringing ghosts would hurt him more times than give him advantage. As he almost never utilizes them in TvZ if he goes for this spesific style? Or i havent seen it. | ||
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ibo422
Belgium2844 Posts
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:11 KalWarkov wrote: because Z naturally transitions from pure ling into lategame army. terran doesnt, you have to build up a completly different techpath with different upgrades AND you have to be agressive while having the same eco basically. Z just has to sit back, build drones and macro up - pretty hard to die to any timing with ur creepspread and 6 tanky queens out on the map always while having the ability to build 30 units per circle ye, so are 10 other european zergs for some reason  You must mean because Terrans haven't adjutsted to the metagame yet, right? | ||
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kAra
Germany1392 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:24 woody60707 wrote: It's so weird that tasteless has to keep asking to make some more noise. You have to appreciate that the UK scene is small and everyone is a fan of everyone, so we're not exactly super hyped to see Ziktomimi beat JohnnyRecco because everyone is a fan of both players. If this was an international tournament where Ziktomini just beat a Korean or Stephano etc.. then the crowd would make a lot more noise. In a larger scene like Germany, USA, Sweden etc.. I imagine fans have much stronger favourites for one player over another. Also outside of football matches English people are usually pretty reserved and don't really go for big public displays of emotion. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:28 Sepi wrote: I'v been watching him aswell and your right and i know that style. But still i think that bringing ghosts would hurt him more times than give him advantage. As he almost never utilizes them in TvZ if he goes for this spesific style? Or i havent seen it. Well he's only been doing it for a few weeks as far as I can tell. And also, I just don't think there's any way three ghosts can hurt him in any significant way. He was on a solid 3 base economy, and had craptons of gas in Medivacs. Even if you reduce the infestor count by 20-30% that can turn the tide. | ||
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jnd
Czech Republic915 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:26 Scrubwave wrote: Should not listen to Idra when it comes to any tactics. He plays standard and expects standard from opponents which loses him quite a lot of games. Pretty much sums up his progaming career. | ||
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