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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1601
On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote:
this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend

With the short rush distances and possible bunker before barracks, it was impossible to defend on a couple maps. Or you died because you had 1 base the entire game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1602
Gj Keen with the cheese!
Bora Pain minha porra!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1603
On June 13 2012 20:39 Hiea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:34 Tsubbi wrote:
as a zerg who faced a billion bunker rushes i wonder how the protoss should react to itperfectly? is there a recent vod or game where a p held that proxy 2 rax?

sadly the only vods you will find is of terran winning with it


MC defended an 11/11 rax on I believe Atlantis Spaceship in the Up n Down matches, with ease.


He did win but It wasn't with ease as I remember. I think it takes a lot of skill to hold it off unless you started with some weird aggressive build order.
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1604
On June 13 2012 20:40 Fragile51 wrote:
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On June 13 2012 20:39 marcesr wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:36 Welmu wrote:
First game was terrible from Keen (~2ghosts in lategame all the time and attacking without reason in bad moments all the time).
And 2nd and 3rd terrible from Squirtle not knowing how to react exactly even though he has played vs that cheese, before too =/


I wonder how you would react if people rated your games with the same attitude.


I wonder what you're even trying to say with this comment. I mean, what.


Probably that we are gonna own the Dutchmen so hard tonight.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1605
On June 13 2012 20:40 bittman wrote:
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On June 13 2012 20:39 EmilA wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:38 Ysellian wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote:
this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend


It was impossible to defend on the early maps.


Steppes of War was totally fine

Really!


No really!

I miss those days now Tanks shelling your natural from low ground was the best.


You mean tanks shelling your natural from their natural? =P


Steepes of war was imbalanced in favour of zerg just every zerg back then sucked ^^
Stayback
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway9 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1606
On June 13 2012 20:35 lightertripod wrote:
tbh being at work and not being able to watch its pretty hard to work out what is going on this is one of the worse threads I have seen for conflicting opinions

although I have noticed a pattern of keen needed to do this and that or the "He EPM the HT but this vikings was in wrong place" or "the army was in the wrong place" which seems to add up to a lot of APM needed by the Terran player as well as postioning and timing.

seems to be the from what I read from both stand points that Terran need to play perfect in every engagement if he don't the Terran's say late game toss is OP and the Toss have a reason why they Terran lost





And then toss rebuild in 0 second, have cannons at expansions, and terran needs to home again and rebuild for a new perfect engagement. Game is so hard for terran late game that all-ins or fancy strategies that the opponent is not used too is the only way to win. Sad that it is never going to be epic batlles in tvp like in pvz because the late game is too imbalanced.
philly5man
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom356 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1607
On June 13 2012 20:38 polyphonyEX wrote:
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On June 13 2012 20:37 philly5man wrote:
Poor from Squirtle to lose to that twice.

Nicely played by Keen nonetheless.

^ it was poor LUCK. That is what cheese comes down to. Squirtle didn't scout it, and the micro was less than absolutely tip-top perfect, he just loses.


Perhaps the second game was a little bad luck. The first game was bad execution. He had it defended and then screwed up by splitting his stalkers, and rushing across the map. Thus, poor from Squirtle to lose to that twice.
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#1608
On June 13 2012 20:34 MorroW wrote:
thatts the first time i see keen cheese :D and he does the same thing twice, what a boss

sad for squirtle tho but i think he will advance soon enough

Keen like a bouse!
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1609
On June 13 2012 20:40 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:39 EmilA wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:38 Ysellian wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote:
this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend


It was impossible to defend on the early maps.


Steppes of War was totally fine

Really!


No really!

I miss those days now Tanks shelling your natural from low ground was the best.


You mean tanks shelling your natural from their natural? =P


We've come a long way indeed
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1610
On June 13 2012 20:39 mycro wrote:
Squirtle gonna be so on tilt if the winner of t-zain/keen does it again and wins first game haha


would be fucking gold :D
Terran & Potato Salad.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1611
On June 13 2012 20:40 SolidMustard wrote:
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On June 13 2012 20:37 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:35 Nekovivie wrote:
Get over it guys, cheese is part of the game. Squirtle is at fault for derping and losing to it twice.

Luck plays a huge factor in cheese scenarios like this. It doesn't matter who is playing or how well they are, if they get bad luck in scouting/micro, they auto lose. It's just not a good way to determine skill.


scouting/micro is not luck-based, bro, it's skill-based

It's a one-off scenario that if you fuck up once, you're done. That's luck.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1612
gogo gumi~~
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1613
On June 13 2012 20:39 marcesr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:36 Welmu wrote:
First game was terrible from Keen (~2ghosts in lategame all the time and attacking without reason in bad moments all the time).
And 2nd and 3rd terrible from Squirtle not knowing how to react exactly even though he has played vs that cheese, before too =/


I wonder how you would react if people rated your games with the same attitude.


With accuracy and honesty?
Yeah you really zinged him there buddy.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1614
On June 13 2012 20:35 TeeTS wrote:
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On June 13 2012 20:30 bluQ wrote:
Why terrans so lazy? Why terrans cant use their brain? Why do they need to make games look like LoL games?
Thanks guys you really make me want to watch sc2 over bw.


Terrans not using their brains? Terrans are the most innovative race of SC2. Players like Marineking constantly come up with new strategies, new styles, new unitcombinations. They are the most changed race in the history of SC2 but it never took long for them to adjust to metagame switches. (compare it to how long it took for protoss scrubs to hold off the 1-1-1)
And here you see a terran use his brain again. Lategame doesn't work but my opponent doesn't know how to deal with proxy 2rax? Then throw this build at him until he surrenders! Expect Gumiho to 2rax Squirtle at least once!

OMG, the terran modesty as always...
You guys don't know what the word humility means. I'm fed up of hearing all the time "terran players are just way better" "terran players are just way more intelligent" "given than terran players a just naturally better, it should be natural to find many of them in code S"...

Is there any other race player making this kind of outspoken assumption ? I don't think so. Especially after showing this kind of shitty games.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 11:42:47
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1615
GOMtv mispelled Marcus Eklöf
CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1616
On June 13 2012 20:40 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:39 trullis wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote:
Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand.

and squirtles top 5 toss

perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese.
But that can't be possible right?
Has to be imbalance.


And why wouldn't keen use the strategy he thinks is most likely to result in a win in his favor?

exactly.
no need to point toward imbalance lol. he smelled blood after game two. used in game 3.
profit for keen. well done.


No they proxy 2rax cuz he sucks at defending it, and most toss are abusive fags who delay gate get 2 gas and dont scout. Its also motivated by the fact that lategame is hard but if u think u have a positive shot at winning with an allin, how allin is it really. tournament play isnt about absolute terms

User was temp banned for this post.
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4553 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1617
On June 13 2012 20:39 TechNoTrance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:38 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:34 Kommander wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:32 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:31 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I don't know why people are so against anyone that cheeses. A win is a win, get over it.
[image loading]


Unless a Protoss cheeses anyone. Then it's imbalance.


Squirtle does a 5 gate: "OMG PROTOSS EARLY GAME IS STRONGER THAN TERRAN OMG OMG IMBA IMBA"

Keen 2raxes twice: "ATTABOY KEEN YOU ROCK OH YEAH!"

Team Liquid at its finest.


This is without exaggeration what happens, it's retarded.


I'm fairly new to TL, never expected the whining to be this bad. Getting flashbacks of what the official bnet forums are like O.o

Welcome to TeamLiquid..
Where the only reason a player loses is because of Imbalance
hi. big fan.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1618
On June 13 2012 20:40 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:39 Kitaen wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote:
Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand.

and squirtles top 5 toss

perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese.
But that can't be possible right?
Has to be imbalance.



if you really think squirtle is a better play than MvP in any regards you have no clue about this game

Why don't people just SHUT UP? God this thread is annoying. What has this community fucking turned into.


What's wrong with you, dude? The post you quoted is right. No one in his right mind should consider Squirtle an overall better player than Mvp.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1619
On June 13 2012 20:41 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 20:39 Rebs wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:36 SolidMustard wrote:
This is one of the lamest LR threads ever. Seriously, stop the fucking whine


You mean every other LR thread..


There have been some epic LR threads in the past

*cough* http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296527&currentpage=86#1705 *cough*


Oh man, I think my favourite was Blizzcon 2011. You know, the tonnes of posts talking about how Nestea threw the game on purpose. Good times.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 11:43:10
June 13 2012 11:42 GMT
#1620
On June 13 2012 20:41 Nekovivie wrote:
How in any way was losing to that luck? He let the bunker finish both times, stalkers in range of the SCV numerous times while it was exposed, does he target it?

Nope.


Holding that would involve Squirtle doing things other than building stuff from Gateways(/Robo), A-moving and fumbling Forcefields. Can't have that.
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