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On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote: this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend With the short rush distances and possible bunker before barracks, it was impossible to defend on a couple maps. Or you died because you had 1 base the entire game.
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On June 13 2012 20:39 Hiea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2012 20:34 Tsubbi wrote: as a zerg who faced a billion bunker rushes i wonder how the protoss should react to itperfectly? is there a recent vod or game where a p held that proxy 2 rax? sadly the only vods you will find is of terran winning with it MC defended an 11/11 rax on I believe Atlantis Spaceship in the Up n Down matches, with ease.
He did win but It wasn't with ease as I remember. I think it takes a lot of skill to hold it off unless you started with some weird aggressive build order.
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On June 13 2012 20:40 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:39 marcesr wrote:On June 13 2012 20:36 Welmu wrote: First game was terrible from Keen (~2ghosts in lategame all the time and attacking without reason in bad moments all the time). And 2nd and 3rd terrible from Squirtle not knowing how to react exactly even though he has played vs that cheese, before too =/ I wonder how you would react if people rated your games with the same attitude. I wonder what you're even trying to say with this comment. I mean, what.
Probably that we are gonna own the Dutchmen so hard tonight.
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On June 13 2012 20:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:39 EmilA wrote:On June 13 2012 20:38 Ysellian wrote:On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote: this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend It was impossible to defend on the early maps. Steppes of War was totally fine Really! No really! I miss those days now  Tanks shelling your natural from low ground was the best. You mean tanks shelling your natural from their natural? =P
Steepes of war was imbalanced in favour of zerg just every zerg back then sucked ^^
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On June 13 2012 20:35 lightertripod wrote: tbh being at work and not being able to watch its pretty hard to work out what is going on this is one of the worse threads I have seen for conflicting opinions
although I have noticed a pattern of keen needed to do this and that or the "He EPM the HT but this vikings was in wrong place" or "the army was in the wrong place" which seems to add up to a lot of APM needed by the Terran player as well as postioning and timing.
seems to be the from what I read from both stand points that Terran need to play perfect in every engagement if he don't the Terran's say late game toss is OP and the Toss have a reason why they Terran lost
And then toss rebuild in 0 second, have cannons at expansions, and terran needs to home again and rebuild for a new perfect engagement. Game is so hard for terran late game that all-ins or fancy strategies that the opponent is not used too is the only way to win. Sad that it is never going to be epic batlles in tvp like in pvz because the late game is too imbalanced.
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On June 13 2012 20:38 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:37 philly5man wrote: Poor from Squirtle to lose to that twice.
Nicely played by Keen nonetheless. ^ it was poor LUCK. That is what cheese comes down to. Squirtle didn't scout it, and the micro was less than absolutely tip-top perfect, he just loses.
Perhaps the second game was a little bad luck. The first game was bad execution. He had it defended and then screwed up by splitting his stalkers, and rushing across the map. Thus, poor from Squirtle to lose to that twice.
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On June 13 2012 20:34 MorroW wrote: thatts the first time i see keen cheese :D and he does the same thing twice, what a boss
sad for squirtle tho but i think he will advance soon enough Keen like a bouse!
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On June 13 2012 20:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:39 EmilA wrote:On June 13 2012 20:38 Ysellian wrote:On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote: this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend It was impossible to defend on the early maps. Steppes of War was totally fine Really! No really! I miss those days now  Tanks shelling your natural from low ground was the best. You mean tanks shelling your natural from their natural? =P
We've come a long way indeed
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On June 13 2012 20:39 mycro wrote: Squirtle gonna be so on tilt if the winner of t-zain/keen does it again and wins first game haha
would be fucking gold :D
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On June 13 2012 20:40 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:37 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 13 2012 20:35 Nekovivie wrote: Get over it guys, cheese is part of the game. Squirtle is at fault for derping and losing to it twice. Luck plays a huge factor in cheese scenarios like this. It doesn't matter who is playing or how well they are, if they get bad luck in scouting/micro, they auto lose. It's just not a good way to determine skill. scouting/micro is not luck-based, bro, it's skill-based It's a one-off scenario that if you fuck up once, you're done. That's luck.
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On June 13 2012 20:39 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:36 Welmu wrote: First game was terrible from Keen (~2ghosts in lategame all the time and attacking without reason in bad moments all the time). And 2nd and 3rd terrible from Squirtle not knowing how to react exactly even though he has played vs that cheese, before too =/ I wonder how you would react if people rated your games with the same attitude.
With accuracy and honesty? Yeah you really zinged him there buddy.
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On June 13 2012 20:35 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:30 bluQ wrote: Why terrans so lazy? Why terrans cant use their brain? Why do they need to make games look like LoL games? Thanks guys you really make me want to watch sc2 over bw. Terrans not using their brains? Terrans are the most innovative race of SC2. Players like Marineking constantly come up with new strategies, new styles, new unitcombinations. They are the most changed race in the history of SC2 but it never took long for them to adjust to metagame switches. (compare it to how long it took for protoss scrubs to hold off the 1-1-1) And here you see a terran use his brain again. Lategame doesn't work but my opponent doesn't know how to deal with proxy 2rax? Then throw this build at him until he surrenders! Expect Gumiho to 2rax Squirtle at least once! OMG, the terran modesty as always... You guys don't know what the word humility means. I'm fed up of hearing all the time "terran players are just way better" "terran players are just way more intelligent" "given than terran players a just naturally better, it should be natural to find many of them in code S"...
Is there any other race player making this kind of outspoken assumption ? I don't think so. Especially after showing this kind of shitty games.
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GOMtv mispelled Marcus Eklöf
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On June 13 2012 20:40 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:39 trullis wrote:On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote: Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand. and squirtles top 5 toss perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese. But that can't be possible right? Has to be imbalance. And why wouldn't keen use the strategy he thinks is most likely to result in a win in his favor? exactly. no need to point toward imbalance lol. he smelled blood after game two. used in game 3. profit for keen. well done.
No they proxy 2rax cuz he sucks at defending it, and most toss are abusive fags who delay gate get 2 gas and dont scout. Its also motivated by the fact that lategame is hard but if u think u have a positive shot at winning with an allin, how allin is it really. tournament play isnt about absolute terms
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On June 13 2012 20:39 TechNoTrance wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:38 Rainfall7711 wrote:On June 13 2012 20:34 Kommander wrote:On June 13 2012 20:32 Rainfall7711 wrote:On June 13 2012 20:31 paradoxOO9 wrote:I don't know why people are so against anyone that cheeses. A win is a win, get over it. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t5wZl.gif) Unless a Protoss cheeses anyone. Then it's imbalance. Squirtle does a 5 gate: "OMG PROTOSS EARLY GAME IS STRONGER THAN TERRAN OMG OMG IMBA IMBA" Keen 2raxes twice: "ATTABOY KEEN YOU ROCK OH YEAH!" Team Liquid at its finest.  This is without exaggeration what happens, it's retarded. I'm fairly new to TL, never expected the whining to be this bad. Getting flashbacks of what the official bnet forums are like O.o Welcome to TeamLiquid.. Where the only reason a player loses is because of Imbalance
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On June 13 2012 20:40 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:39 Kitaen wrote:On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote: Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand. and squirtles top 5 toss perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese. But that can't be possible right? Has to be imbalance. if you really think squirtle is a better play than MvP in any regards you have no clue about this game Why don't people just SHUT UP? God this thread is annoying. What has this community fucking turned into.
What's wrong with you, dude? The post you quoted is right. No one in his right mind should consider Squirtle an overall better player than Mvp.
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Oh man, I think my favourite was Blizzcon 2011. You know, the tonnes of posts talking about how Nestea threw the game on purpose. Good times.
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On June 13 2012 20:41 Nekovivie wrote: How in any way was losing to that luck? He let the bunker finish both times, stalkers in range of the SCV numerous times while it was exposed, does he target it?
Nope.
Holding that would involve Squirtle doing things other than building stuff from Gateways(/Robo), A-moving and fumbling Forcefields. Can't have that.
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