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On June 13 2012 20:34 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:32 Rainfall7711 wrote:On June 13 2012 20:31 paradoxOO9 wrote:I don't know why people are so against anyone that cheeses. A win is a win, get over it. + Show Spoiler + Unless a Protoss cheeses anyone. Then it's imbalance. Haha, remember Sase's cannon rush just a few days ago? Damn, people got angry. Foreign fans seems to really not get the play2win mentality.
That's the thing that annoys me, people seem to think that the players are here to entertain the fans first and foremost, I am sorry but the money comes first and if you can win with cheese go ahead
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On June 13 2012 20:39 trullis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote:
Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand. and squirtles top 5 toss perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese. But that can't be possible right? Has to be imbalance. And why wouldn't keen use the strategy he thinks is most likely to result in a win in his favor?
exactly.
no need to point toward imbalance lol. he smelled blood after game two. used in game 3.
profit for keen. well done.
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Here's to hoping Thorzain beats Gumiho then double 2 raxes Squirtle for the icing on the cake.
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On June 13 2012 20:39 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:38 Ysellian wrote:On June 13 2012 20:36 dmnum wrote:
this reminds me of when zergs were getting bunker rushed left and right(especially losira) and people kept saying that it was impossible to defend It was impossible to defend on the early maps. Steppes of War was totally fine Really! No really! I miss those days now  Tanks shelling your natural from low ground was the best.
You mean tanks shelling your natural from their natural? =P
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On June 13 2012 20:38 chocopaw wrote:Wow, cool to see Keen being successful!  If I remember right Artosis said that he wasn't his biggest fan. Did he mention any improvements? Just curious. GOGO TZAIN!
Who needs improvements, 2raxboooooooyahhhhhhhhhhh.
Squirtle is going to be out of GSL soon if he doesn't learn to play vs 2rax and if he keeps facing terrans.
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Follow in the steps of IMMVP
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On June 13 2012 20:39 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:36 Welmu wrote:
First game was terrible from Keen (~2ghosts in lategame all the time and attacking without reason in bad moments all the time).
And 2nd and 3rd terrible from Squirtle not knowing how to react exactly even though he has played vs that cheese, before too =/ I wonder how you would react if people rated your games with the same attitude.
I wonder what you're even trying to say with this comment. I mean, what.
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On June 13 2012 20:37 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:35 Nekovivie wrote:
Get over it guys, cheese is part of the game. Squirtle is at fault for derping and losing to it twice. Luck plays a huge factor in cheese scenarios like this. It doesn't matter who is playing or how well they are, if they get bad luck in scouting/micro, they auto lose. It's just not a good way to determine skill.
scouting/micro is not luck-based, bro, it's skill-based
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On June 13 2012 20:39 Kitaen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:On June 13 2012 20:29 thepeonwhocould wrote:
Listen guys. IM.MvP and Keen are in the top 20 Terran players in the world. They are cheesing because the matchup is impossible late game. They want to win at any cost, and they feel this is the best way to win. Don't get angry at Keen/MvP, get angry at Blizzard for creating this situation. Blizzard has forced their hand. and squirtles top 5 toss perhaps they know he's a better player and THAT's why they cheese. But that can't be possible right? Has to be imbalance. if you really think squirtle is a better play than MvP in any regards you have no clue about this game
Why don't people just SHUT UP? God this thread is annoying. What has this community fucking turned into.
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On June 13 2012 20:38 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:36 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lol squirtle so desperately loves his greedy builds.. keen just exploited it. could you please explain to me how 13gate zealot first is greedy?
dont get mad at bronze-gold players ^_^
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On June 13 2012 20:33 Addict wrote:I think this is super holdable, but sometimes you just cant click on the damn scv making the bunker... Thats so frustrating
You can rotate the camera, face it there is no excuse for a code s finalist having micro that poor. Just goes to show how much he is carried by his race.
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Why don't people just SHUT UP? God this thread is annoying. What has this community fucking turned into.
You must be new in the LR threads. It's always like this.
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come on little swede, show us what you got.
hope he improved his APM in Korea
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On June 13 2012 20:39 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:37 FakeDeath wrote:On June 13 2012 20:36 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Keen doesnt deserve to advance first. It's not about Terran, it is not about Protoss. It is about Keen. He does not deserve it, period. Hehehe. when MVP does the same thing against Naniwa and won.Does MVP not deserve it? LOL DEAL WITH IT MVP has shown consistency. And amazing play. Which Keen never ever did. He is just bad/lucky.
"I've never seen keen play and assume these 2 matches are reflective of keen's entire career"
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On June 13 2012 20:37 Sakkreth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:37 justinpal wrote:On June 13 2012 20:35 samurai80 wrote:On June 13 2012 20:33 Swiv wrote:
imagine how awesome it would be if gumiho or tzain would 2:0 squirtle by 2*11/11 proxy :D how awesome !? how pathetic u mean !? If Squirtle can't defend it then he doesn't deserve to win anyway. LOL WTF, he had better micro in both games by far...
Squirtle had better micro in the two rax games?
Both time he let the bunker finish, got his stalkers trapped twice in game 2 and got 2 killed trying to get down a ramp in the third game.
He didn't deal with it well at all.
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How in any way was losing to that luck? He let the bunker finish both times, stalkers in range of the SCV numerous times while it was exposed, does he target it?
Nope.
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Unless you have immaculate stalker/probe micro a forge really is the best way to hold this. Only time I've lost doing 11/11 proxy rax on ladder was against some guy who opened forge first and when I showed up with my 2 scvs and 2 marines there were already 3 cannons up...
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Thorzain gonna get obliterated.
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It's funny because the terrans were complaining about late TvP saying it is impossible.
Now the Protoss are complaining about how unfare it is that he won with cheese, and that squirtle shouldve won.
You guys must really, really, really...really enjoy complaining.
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