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On June 12 2012 00:42 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:16 ZeromuS wrote:On June 12 2012 00:04 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 11 2012 23:11 HeroHenry wrote:
The overrated players got knock out :D Exactly ^^ Hero isn't over rated, however he has a not so good PvT. His PvZ is his real strength. But I havent seen the hero vs curious (edit) games, so I don't know how he lost that series. I think Hero's PvZ hasn't aged as well as others, but given the space his multitasking and harass in the late game is amazing. I think we need to remember when Infestors were first destroying protoss all over the place and before vortex archon toilet was used, Hero was basically the only one winning PvZ and showing us how to use warp prisms and how to have a strong core while harassing Zerg in multiple locations. 13-30 in Korea last season, beating foreigners at foreign tournaments, and having his "major wins" against Puma-- another foreign tourney hero that has failed to qualify for Code A a single time-- is overrated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't join Huk in Code B next season. Code S is for world class players.
Yeah, he's pretty bad. He's only top 16 ELO Ranking in Korea, higher then MC, MMA, Nestea, Losira, Puzzle, Oz, Alive, Ganzi...
Last season, let's see which world class players he defeated to make Ro4 last season.
2-1 Leenock, 2-0 Curious, 2-1 Curious, 3-0 Supernova 2-1 MVP.
Definitely doesn't deserve his spot in Code S. Dammit.
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On June 12 2012 00:42 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:16 ZeromuS wrote:On June 12 2012 00:04 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 11 2012 23:11 HeroHenry wrote:
The overrated players got knock out :D Exactly ^^ Hero isn't over rated, however he has a not so good PvT. His PvZ is his real strength. But I havent seen the hero vs curious (edit) games, so I don't know how he lost that series. I think Hero's PvZ hasn't aged as well as others, but given the space his multitasking and harass in the late game is amazing. I think we need to remember when Infestors were first destroying protoss all over the place and before vortex archon toilet was used, Hero was basically the only one winning PvZ and showing us how to use warp prisms and how to have a strong core while harassing Zerg in multiple locations. 13-30 in Korea last season, beating foreigners at foreign tournaments, and having his "major wins" against Puma-- another foreign tourney hero that has failed to qualify for Code A a single time-- is overrated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't join Huk in Code B next season. Code S is for world class players.
Hmm, I think you are being too hard on Hero. Code S semifinalist is nothing to scoff at. Of course a player's fans will overrate their favorite players, and since Hero has so many fans, it may seem that Hero is given too much credit. But no one can really deny that Hero is a great player, definitely top 10 Protoss in the world.
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Game 1 of Byun - Hero was really amazing. Hero's storms killed almost nothing, the storm dodging was so good. Do you guys think marine tank T vs P is actually viable? He did an excellent job targeting down HTs and Collosi.
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On June 12 2012 01:56 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
Game 1 of Byun - Hero was really amazing. Hero's storms killed almost nothing, the storm dodging was so good. Do you guys think marine tank T vs P is actually viable?
It really isn't imo other then timing attacks *high masters terran here*. Hero was not agressive enough with his storms and his army control just wasnt good. I felt he could have also won the game on cloud kingdom if he just didnt get hit so much by siege tank fire while moving back and forth and being indecisive. 1 good storm, and all the marines die. Its not worth having just a risky composition especially when collosi also do extremely well against it.
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Hero played weird. Even if he was a bad p player bad toss players dont randomly send packs of stalkers to die like in curious's game his mouse control was sporatic it seems
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On June 12 2012 01:56 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
Game 1 of Byun - Hero was really amazing. Hero's storms killed almost nothing, the storm dodging was so good. Do you guys think marine tank T vs P is actually viable? He did an excellent job targeting down HTs and Collosi.
It required amazing control, dodging storms, stimming a few marines to pick off High Templars, focus firing HT with tanks so they can't get off storms. It reminds me of Puma's marine/ghost play, amazingly strong unit composition but it requires you to play almost perfectly or you die to one AOE thing. I love the unit composition but I think right now most people can't pull it off.
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damn, i was hoping hero would make it through, he had gotten the win in g2 vs curious before i had to head off to work 
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poor herO
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Nice to see GhostKing doing well again. Although his TvP is rather cheesy. He's more like Polt who favors lower econ mass unit style. He barely upgrades too in most of his games. Despite being on the same team with MKP, he's nothing like him.
Seed looked a lot better than Hero today. His PvZ tore Curious apart. There goes Curious's top 5 Zerg in Korea title. Guy was kinda overrated and didn't polish his play enough against Code S level players. His style is OK for Code A though, where he rightfully belongs.
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On June 12 2012 00:58 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:42 xrapture wrote:On June 12 2012 00:16 ZeromuS wrote:On June 12 2012 00:04 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 11 2012 23:11 HeroHenry wrote:
The overrated players got knock out :D Exactly ^^ Hero isn't over rated, however he has a not so good PvT. His PvZ is his real strength. But I havent seen the hero vs curious (edit) games, so I don't know how he lost that series. I think Hero's PvZ hasn't aged as well as others, but given the space his multitasking and harass in the late game is amazing. I think we need to remember when Infestors were first destroying protoss all over the place and before vortex archon toilet was used, Hero was basically the only one winning PvZ and showing us how to use warp prisms and how to have a strong core while harassing Zerg in multiple locations. 13-30 in Korea last season, beating foreigners at foreign tournaments, and having his "major wins" against Puma-- another foreign tourney hero that has failed to qualify for Code A a single time-- is overrated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't join Huk in Code B next season. Code S is for world class players. Yeah, he's pretty bad. He's only top 16 ELO Ranking in Korea, higher then MC, MMA, Nestea, Losira, Puzzle, Oz, Alive, Ganzi... Last season, let's see which world class players he defeated to make Ro4 last season. 2-1 Leenock, 2-0 Curious, 2-1 Curious, 3-0 Supernova 2-1 MVP. Definitely doesn't deserve his spot in Code S. Dammit.
I agree that Hero is pretty good, but fuck ELO. It's retarded when it comes to working out whether X player is better than Y player.
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On June 12 2012 00:58 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:42 xrapture wrote:On June 12 2012 00:16 ZeromuS wrote:On June 12 2012 00:04 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 11 2012 23:11 HeroHenry wrote:
The overrated players got knock out :D Exactly ^^ Hero isn't over rated, however he has a not so good PvT. His PvZ is his real strength. But I havent seen the hero vs curious (edit) games, so I don't know how he lost that series. I think Hero's PvZ hasn't aged as well as others, but given the space his multitasking and harass in the late game is amazing. I think we need to remember when Infestors were first destroying protoss all over the place and before vortex archon toilet was used, Hero was basically the only one winning PvZ and showing us how to use warp prisms and how to have a strong core while harassing Zerg in multiple locations. 13-30 in Korea last season, beating foreigners at foreign tournaments, and having his "major wins" against Puma-- another foreign tourney hero that has failed to qualify for Code A a single time-- is overrated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't join Huk in Code B next season. Code S is for world class players. Yeah, he's pretty bad. He's only top 16 ELO Ranking in Korea, higher then MC, MMA, Nestea, Losira, Puzzle, Oz, Alive, Ganzi... Last season, let's see which world class players he defeated to make Ro4 last season. 2-1 Leenock, 2-0 Curious, 2-1 Curious, 3-0 Supernova 2-1 MVP. Definitely doesn't deserve his spot in Code S. Dammit.
you can prove any thing with facts 
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On June 12 2012 04:00 lightertripod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 00:58 NguN wrote:On June 12 2012 00:42 xrapture wrote:On June 12 2012 00:16 ZeromuS wrote:On June 12 2012 00:04 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 11 2012 23:11 HeroHenry wrote:
The overrated players got knock out :D Exactly ^^ Hero isn't over rated, however he has a not so good PvT. His PvZ is his real strength. But I havent seen the hero vs curious (edit) games, so I don't know how he lost that series. I think Hero's PvZ hasn't aged as well as others, but given the space his multitasking and harass in the late game is amazing. I think we need to remember when Infestors were first destroying protoss all over the place and before vortex archon toilet was used, Hero was basically the only one winning PvZ and showing us how to use warp prisms and how to have a strong core while harassing Zerg in multiple locations. 13-30 in Korea last season, beating foreigners at foreign tournaments, and having his "major wins" against Puma-- another foreign tourney hero that has failed to qualify for Code A a single time-- is overrated. I'd be surprised if he doesn't join Huk in Code B next season. Code S is for world class players. Yeah, he's pretty bad. He's only top 16 ELO Ranking in Korea, higher then MC, MMA, Nestea, Losira, Puzzle, Oz, Alive, Ganzi... Last season, let's see which world class players he defeated to make Ro4 last season. 2-1 Leenock, 2-0 Curious, 2-1 Curious, 3-0 Supernova 2-1 MVP. Definitely doesn't deserve his spot in Code S. Dammit. you can prove any thing with facts
Are you trolling?
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If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them.
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On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them.
wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore.
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On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore.
Nestea's been slumping for a while but still made 3rd at IPL and has been Code S all three seasons this year.
MMA has won two Premier Tournaments this year alone whcih is more than Parting, Naniwa, Stephano, Squirtle, Sase, Leenock, Symbol, Nestea. Polt, Jjakji and many many other top players.
The only guys who've have better 2012's than MMA are Mvp, DRG, MKP and MC.
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On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore.
I would never count out MMA, Mvp made a comeback and MMA will too. It was not long ago that he won a premier tournament he's just been having some poor performances in Korea.
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On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore.
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MMA won Iron Squid not too long ago got 4th at IPL4 and won the Stars War Qualifier over MKP.
Nestea got 3rd at IPL4 and Iron Squid and is the only player never to completely fall from code S.
What. the. fuck
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On June 12 2012 06:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore. ... MMA won Iron Squid not too long ago got 4th at IPL4 and won the Stars War Qualifier over MKP. Nestea got 3rd at IPL4 and Iron Squid and has never fallen from code S. What. the. fuck
To be fair there's so much sc2 content It's easy to forget things that happened 1-2 months ago sometimes.
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On June 12 2012 06:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore. ... MMA won Iron Squid not too long ago got 4th at IPL4 and won the Stars War Qualifier over MKP. Nestea got 3rd at IPL4 and Iron Squid and is the only player never to completely fall from code S. What. the. fuck
Yeah, but they aren't a threat in Code S anymore in my opinion. Most of the Code S players just don't get the favorable seeding or ability to attend foreign tournaments consistently like these guys.
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On June 12 2012 05:43 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If two years of GSL has proven anything it's that a lot of players can make the Ro4 or better by hitting a rich vein of form, dodging their weak match up or playing players who suck vs your race. I think Hero probably managed a combination of those things for his semi final appearance but what sets apart the true elite (MKP, DRG, MC, MMA, Nestea, MVP) is that they keep making finals, winning tournaments and being a threat in Code S across months and months and even years, frankly it seems like there's 30-40+ players capable of making the round of 4 of Code S once if the stars align for them. wouldn't say nestea or MMA are a threat anymore.
I'm quoting this so i can bring it up later.
Poor HerO
Byun looked back in form though, which is always great
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