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Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
June 06 2012 17:29 GMT
#1981
IM almost missed the playoffs in the round robin GSTL as well, by playing their scrubs constantly and getting all-killed by QXC. Had to rely on another team losing at the end to make it in.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
June 06 2012 17:29 GMT
#1982
On June 07 2012 02:03 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 01:55 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2012 01:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:
F
N
A
T
I
C

OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FAITH HAS BEEN RESTORED....

Back from Temp Ban. YAY

Now all go hail ByuL in my Fanclub =D


haha mr. bandwagon changes his team logo and signature back again after one match

can't wait to see what you change it to next time fnatic loses a match.


uhm, always fnatic Fan here.

cant see other teams I was supporting, sry

Iam also one of the few ppl from here posting on fnatic website.

Sky is the limit now, everything for the team from here is a Plus.

Definetly wouldnt let them down, if they lose in that atrocious group coming up now....losing to Prime etc has to be expected.

OH REALLY NOW?

DETECTIVE VIRGIL ON THE CASE


[image loading]


THAT WAS EASY
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
June 06 2012 17:33 GMT
#1983
wow first symbol, losira, and then sheth, haypro, and now byul? the zergs are exploding everywhere
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 06 2012 17:35 GMT
#1984
On June 07 2012 02:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 02:03 ZeroSC2 wrote:
On June 07 2012 01:55 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2012 01:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:
F
N
A
T
I
C

OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FAITH HAS BEEN RESTORED....

Back from Temp Ban. YAY

Now all go hail ByuL in my Fanclub =D


haha mr. bandwagon changes his team logo and signature back again after one match

can't wait to see what you change it to next time fnatic loses a match.


uhm, always fnatic Fan here.

cant see other teams I was supporting, sry

Iam also one of the few ppl from here posting on fnatic website.

Sky is the limit now, everything for the team from here is a Plus.

Definetly wouldnt let them down, if they lose in that atrocious group coming up now....losing to Prime etc has to be expected.

OH REALLY NOW?

DETECTIVE VIRGIL ON THE CASE


[image loading]


THAT WAS EASY

Looks like someone got busted ^^
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dLKnighT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada735 Posts
June 06 2012 17:42 GMT
#1985
Looks like IM made some bad decisions. Seed might've been okay, but then Happy? The team has MVP, MC and NesTea to their disposal and they only use one of those players.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 06 2012 17:47 GMT
#1986
On June 07 2012 02:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 02:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On June 07 2012 02:03 ZeroSC2 wrote:
On June 07 2012 01:55 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2012 01:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:
F
N
A
T
I
C

OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FAITH HAS BEEN RESTORED....

Back from Temp Ban. YAY

Now all go hail ByuL in my Fanclub =D


haha mr. bandwagon changes his team logo and signature back again after one match

can't wait to see what you change it to next time fnatic loses a match.


uhm, always fnatic Fan here.

cant see other teams I was supporting, sry

Iam also one of the few ppl from here posting on fnatic website.

Sky is the limit now, everything for the team from here is a Plus.

Definetly wouldnt let them down, if they lose in that atrocious group coming up now....losing to Prime etc has to be expected.

OH REALLY NOW?

DETECTIVE VIRGIL ON THE CASE


[image loading]


THAT WAS EASY

Looks like someone got busted ^^


More like pwnt
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 06 2012 17:55 GMT
#1987
On June 07 2012 01:53 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Bwahaha, the next Groupround

Prime
MVP
Slayers-EG
fnatic

This group is such a sad joke.

But all that needed to be done, is done.

Fnatic proved to be a better team than Liquid. Sorry kids.

Can we just perma ban this guy? He is such an obvious troll with various multiple accounts. Sup GodOfWar.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 18:03:39
June 06 2012 18:03 GMT
#1988
On June 06 2012 18:36 Woizit wrote:
Poor Moon, even though he has one of the best baneling mine ever in a MLG, everybody only remembers the bitbybit fail mines.

Which game was it? (MLG one you talk about)

Edit: Nevermind. Found it right below. XD
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 06 2012 18:17 GMT
#1989
On June 07 2012 03:03 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 18:36 Woizit wrote:
Poor Moon, even though he has one of the best baneling mine ever in a MLG, everybody only remembers the bitbybit fail mines.

Which game was it? (MLG one you talk about)

Edit: Nevermind. Found it right below. XD

iirc its the ones vs slush? he literally killed slush's whole army of roach hydra with just baneling mines.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 06 2012 18:18 GMT
#1990
On June 07 2012 02:55 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 01:53 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Bwahaha, the next Groupround

Prime
MVP
Slayers-EG
fnatic

This group is such a sad joke.

But all that needed to be done, is done.

Fnatic proved to be a better team than Liquid. Sorry kids.

Can we just perma ban this guy? He is such an obvious troll with various multiple accounts. Sup GodOfWar.


The Godofwar account was permed for being a PBU, I guess they just don't want to ban all his accounts.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 06 2012 18:20 GMT
#1991
On June 07 2012 02:42 ExpeCTed_ wrote:
Looks like IM made some bad decisions. Seed might've been okay, but then Happy? The team has MVP, MC and NesTea to their disposal and they only use one of those players.

happy is a zerg sniper, or at least has been in the past.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 06 2012 18:24 GMT
#1992
wtf zerg
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 06 2012 18:25 GMT
#1993
On June 07 2012 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:
wtf zerg

seriously x_x. can't wait to see if this carrys over into GSL, or even MLG this weekend.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 18:29:02
June 06 2012 18:27 GMT
#1994
Ok, (without reading the thread, as i just watched the VODs) I'm almost 100% certain this would have been done to death after todays games finished. But i'll still post my opinion.

I've not been one to condemn the IM coach in the past and have always stuck to the idea that maybe his decisions are justified and he's been unlucky.. But only so much of this can go on before he has to be seriously questioned.. He has 2 multi time GSL champions, a GSL finalist and several code a regulars, aswell as some of the most well known code b players in the land but time and time again we only see one, maybe two of their 3 star players..

I really think he is looking at the GSTL format wrong.. He seems to treat it as though starting with one of your lower class players and slowly working up to your stronger players is the right way to go. Problem is, when IM gets a lead, this thinking no longer treats the format of series serious enough. He goes to MVP and Nestea as last resorts as though they are some sort of godly finishers. Yes, they are champion players and deserve every ounce of reputation they have but they are very beatable. They can not be expected to win 3 or 4 games in a row on a consistant basis.

I have to wonder, if MC was on the bench would we have even seen him? Or would he join the list of IM's go to men when they rely on 1 player to finish the other team despite have 3 (4 including mc) players with more accomplishments in sc2 than most other teams top player..

My opinion is, if they want to treat this team league seriously they should be starting with Losira, Nestea, MVP or MC every time. Period. They have the star power. It will not cost them late in the series, as they still have the rest of that list up their sleeve. It is not predictable, thats each race covered as a potential opener. They are all super solid in every matchup and can all mix up their play.

If their opener wins the first game (or more), then you have the opportunity to try to snipe with your b teamersif you so choose. But the second its all square, or possibly when the series is back within 1 game of being tied, hit them with another superstar. At worst 3 lose, you have to play another player (who is highly skilled in his own right) before chucking out another superstar as the ace..

I just don't see how this team, with these players should be losing on such a regular basis. Using my system (didn't take rocket science to come up with), sure someone like symbol may take down all 4 'superstars' and 5-0 you anyway. But at that point you just have to say "too good", at least you threw everything you had at the guy and made him work for it.

Yoda, seed, happy, yonghwa and true are all perfectly capable players in their own right. And I would find it perfectly excusable to send out a couple of those in place of the big names if the coach sees it as the right decision. But come on, how many times now have we seen none of the big names until their ace is sent out, only to lose (qxc allkill anyone?)

When you are ahead, you can afford to try your less accomplished players but once the series tightens up you have to get back on the ball. Too often IM sends out Losira first (random example, substitute for any well performed IM player), gets a nice early lead, then plays lower tier players until they have to send out an ace to (try to) save them.

I don't want this to be taken as me out for the IM coaches head. Clearly he is very good at developing players and running a team or else we wouldn't be having this conversation about misuse of their amazing list in the first place. I do think he deserves his position, however I do think IM should seriously consider hiring a new strategist or just a secondary coach to put in charge (or at least help out) with team league lineups/decisions. Nevertheless, he most definitely should not be fired as he has clearly put together an awesome team that is being run very successfully. Still needs to be looked at.

ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 06 2012 18:50 GMT
#1995
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 07 2012 03:27 IceSlipper wrote:
Ok, (without reading the thread, as i just watched the VODs) I'm almost 100% certain this would have been done to death after todays games finished. But i'll still post my opinion.

I've not been one to condemn the IM coach in the past and have always stuck to the idea that maybe his decisions are justified and he's been unlucky.. But only so much of this can go on before he has to be seriously questioned.. He has 2 multi time GSL champions, a GSL finalist and several code a regulars, aswell as some of the most well known code b players in the land but time and time again we only see one, maybe two of their 3 star players..

I really think he is looking at the GSTL format wrong.. He seems to treat it as though starting with one of your lower class players and slowly working up to your stronger players is the right way to go. Problem is, when IM gets a lead, this thinking no longer treats the format of series serious enough. He goes to MVP and Nestea as last resorts as though they are some sort of godly finishers. Yes, they are champion players and deserve every ounce of reputation they have but they are very beatable. They can not be expected to win 3 or 4 games in a row on a consistant basis.

I have to wonder, if MC was on the bench would we have even seen him? Or would he join the list of IM's go to men when they rely on 1 player to finish the other team despite have 3 (4 including mc) players with more accomplishments in sc2 than most other teams top player..

My opinion is, if they want to treat this team league seriously they should be starting with Losira, Nestea, MVP or MC every time. Period. They have the star power. It will not cost them late in the series, as they still have the rest of that list up their sleeve. It is not predictable, thats each race covered as a potential opener. They are all super solid in every matchup and can all mix up their play.

If their opener wins the first game (or more), then you have the opportunity to try to snipe with your b teamersif you so choose. But the second its all square, or possibly when the series is back within 1 game of being tied, hit them with another superstar. At worst 3 lose, you have to play another player (who is highly skilled in his own right) before chucking out another superstar as the ace..

I just don't see how this team, with these players should be losing on such a regular basis. Using my system (didn't take rocket science to come up with), sure someone like symbol may take down all 4 'superstars' and 5-0 you anyway. But at that point you just have to say "too good", at least you threw everything you had at the guy and made him work for it.

Yoda, seed, happy, yonghwa and true are all perfectly capable players in their own right. And I would find it perfectly excusable to send out a couple of those in place of the big names if the coach sees it as the right decision. But come on, how many times now have we seen none of the big names until their ace is sent out, only to lose (qxc allkill anyone?)

When you are ahead, you can afford to try your less accomplished players but once the series tightens up you have to get back on the ball. Too often IM sends out Losira first (random example, substitute for any well performed IM player), gets a nice early lead, then plays lower tier players until they have to send out an ace to (try to) save them.

I don't want this to be taken as me out for the IM coaches head. Clearly he is very good at developing players and running a team or else we wouldn't be having this conversation about misuse of their amazing list in the first place. I do think he deserves his position, however I do think IM should seriously consider hiring a new strategist or just a secondary coach to put in charge (or at least help out) with team league lineups/decisions. Nevertheless, he most definitely should not be fired as he has clearly put together an awesome team that is being run very successfully. Still needs to be looked at.




For all kill format it's hard to mess up. You start with your top non-ace player,
If he gets handled by a top player, you can send out 1-2 snipers, and your ace to stop the bleeding if snipers fail.
If he gets 1-2 kill, you can play map / match up and take it one game at a time
If he gets 3-4 kill, you can either send out up and comer for either some experience or exposure, or go for the kill with your ace
If he gets all kill, then you go home happy.

I think IM actually handled it pretty well against TSL despite the result. There might be some personnel questions (Yoda was a head scratcher), but the strategy was sound. They just got steamrolled by a very good player on a roll, nothing you can do.

Today's match was a total disaster though if they were dedicated to win,
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 06 2012 18:52 GMT
#1996
On the other hand, if all he's doing is trying to get as many of his players into Code S as possible, I'd say that he is clearly doing the right thing
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Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
June 06 2012 19:11 GMT
#1997
Damn you Yonghwa, you broke the Zerg win streak!

Just kidding, but congrats to Fnatic, though I am surprised that the IM coach did not play MVP.
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
June 06 2012 19:13 GMT
#1998
ByuL is just one of those players that were just about to explode any next moment.

But unlike SymboL, he doesnt have a big offline placement under his belt yet. Stating on his Twitter he seems hot and ready for MLG. Guess we will find him in the Open bracket there, and Iam excited to see weither he can transfer his GSTL results to a big single event.
Flash
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
June 06 2012 19:14 GMT
#1999
On June 07 2012 03:17 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 03:03 usethis2 wrote:
On June 06 2012 18:36 Woizit wrote:
Poor Moon, even though he has one of the best baneling mine ever in a MLG, everybody only remembers the bitbybit fail mines.

Which game was it? (MLG one you talk about)

Edit: Nevermind. Found it right below. XD

iirc its the ones vs slush? he literally killed slush's whole army of roach hydra with just baneling mines.


Yes that game absolutely more than redeemed him from his BBB game.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 06 2012 19:20 GMT
#2000
On June 07 2012 04:14 zestzorb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 03:17 sc14s wrote:
On June 07 2012 03:03 usethis2 wrote:
On June 06 2012 18:36 Woizit wrote:
Poor Moon, even though he has one of the best baneling mine ever in a MLG, everybody only remembers the bitbybit fail mines.

Which game was it? (MLG one you talk about)

Edit: Nevermind. Found it right below. XD

iirc its the ones vs slush? he literally killed slush's whole army of roach hydra with just baneling mines.


Yes that game absolutely more than redeemed him from his BBB game.


Didn't Moon go on to lose the game anyway?

Also holy shit congradulations fnatic, didn't think it would be done
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