On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:
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Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard.

And how do you propose to pressure them now?
With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax.
Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered.

Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting.

If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile.

More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords.
Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio.

Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile.

Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so.

From what I've seen only zergs that failed to defend properly or where too greedy had 4 helions get past their defense and roast 20 lings. Matter of fact is the helion pressure was somewhat of a necessity, not to roast drones, but to do indirect damage, keep creep under control, slow down a 3rd force roaches and/or lings instead of drones.

decent zergs could hold anything without any problem with the 3 range queen, now worse than halfdecent zerg could hold anything. now imagine what could a good zerg could do with it.

There must have been 0 decent zergs before the patch then. There was no zerg that could easily hold anything.

there was the kind of a zerg who made only drones and 2 queens and 6 lings againts 4 hellions. thats not enough. 4 hellion was a pressure desinged to slow down zerg on their insane mentality to get 90 drones as soon possible.
if the zerg was careful enough, good simcity (which terrans do all the time) blocks his entrances, made enough units, he couldnt lose againts 4 hellions.

They couldn't lose against them but they could have their third delayed forever and get 0 creep spread until the helions are off the map. That was way too much dmg for a 400 mineral investment that terrans would never lose if they were careful with. Zergs just had their worst GSL season ever. They needed a buff.

Agreed that they needed a buff, but +2 range is too extreme, and it wasn't even properly tested before it came out. A range of 4 would have meant both Zerg and Terran had to work to do their work, both zerg and terran would have had to rotate damaged helions or queens in and out to prevent them from dying (at least until zerg got a big enough number of queens), zerg would still have had the means to defend their bases and creep spread, but they would have had to work for it, while now terran has to work a lot for little gain.

Thrillz

4313 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1063

I have a feeling that if LosirA loses, IM should just cheese to try to win haha xD

Juliette

United States6003 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1064

LGIMSK vs TSL

Set 1
Set 2
Set 3
Set 4

Set 5:

Z5 Losira <Muspelheim> Z10 Symbol

Both go hatch first, but Losira takes his gas before a pool.

AbuntuGuntu

United States1972 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1065

If Losira all kills I will have to consider streaking through the streets.

kappadevin

United States284 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1066

Inflicted

Australia18228 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1067

On June 05 2012 20:04 akaname wrote:

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UH OH so if you're team is reverse all-killed you disband!!! This is scary for IM!!

Zotac team invitational... was ages ago - even before GSTL. Don't think it'll ever happen again.

polyphonyEX

United States2539 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1068

fuck I was tabbed out and missed the twitch.

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

June 05 2012 11:07 GMT

#1069

On June 05 2012 20:06 CortoMontez wrote:

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Losira next bonjwa?
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Only joking, reference to Flash twitch

Ah... I was wondering where all the GSTL zerg bonjwa posts had gone.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

June 05 2012 11:08 GMT

#1070

if losira falls, i'll throw out happy > seed > nestea > mvp

knowing im coach, he'll send out himself, his mum, his cat then mvp

DJHelium

Sweden13480 Posts

June 05 2012 11:08 GMT

#1071

On June 05 2012 20:03 ImNightmare wrote:

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Mvp is more reliable than nestea in GTSL imo. But fuck yeah... I hope losira loses just for the sake of better entertainment.

Mvp is more reliable than Nestea overall. Lacks that final boss feeling though.

I mean this quote...

"IT'S TIME!"

ImNightmare

1575 Posts

June 05 2012 11:08 GMT

#1072

On June 05 2012 20:08 opterown wrote:
if losira falls, i'll throw out happy > seed > nestea > mvp

Why do that? Just throw out MVP and its gg

polyphonyEX

United States2539 Posts

June 05 2012 11:08 GMT

#1073

On June 05 2012 20:06 Zorgaz wrote:
Losira has Flash twitches, no wonder he is doing so good

true sign of a bonjwa

ImNightmare

1575 Posts

June 05 2012 11:09 GMT

#1074

On June 05 2012 20:08 DJHelium wrote:

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Mvp is more reliable than Nestea overall. Lacks that final boss feeling though.

I mean this quote...

"IT'S TIME!"

LOL, MVP needs a caster who adores him.. Artosis doesn't seem to like his play though

Sumahi

Guam5609 Posts

June 05 2012 11:10 GMT

#1075

My GOM player is so schizo, I can never tell who is winning in a Z v Z.

Juliette

United States6003 Posts

June 05 2012 11:10 GMT

#1076

On June 05 2012 20:07 Juliette wrote:

LGIMSK vs TSL

Set 1
Set 2
Set 3
Set 4

Set 5:

Z5 Losira <Muspelheim> Z10 Symbol

Both go hatch first, but Losira takes his gas before a pool.

4:00 Speed for losira, before symbol even has a gas. Both have queens making, and symbol takes a double gas. Symbol's overlord is caught by a queen in the middle of the map!

6:00 Baneling nset for losira, and a faster lair, though it is scouted.