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Norway25712 Posts
I definitely think Symbol can take out Losira, but I don't think he can all-kill. LG-IM wins.
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On June 05 2012 19:57 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:55 Breach_hu wrote:On June 05 2012 19:53 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. From what I've seen only zergs that failed to defend properly or where too greedy had 4 helions get past their defense and roast 20 lings. Matter of fact is the helion pressure was somewhat of a necessity, not to roast drones, but to do indirect damage, keep creep under control, slow down a 3rd force roaches and/or lings instead of drones. decent zergs could hold anything without any problem with the 3 range queen, now worse than halfdecent zerg could hold anything. now imagine what could a good zerg could do with it. There must have been 0 decent zergs before the patch then. There was no zerg that could easily hold anything.
there was the kind of a zerg who made only drones and 2 queens and 6 lings againts 4 hellions. thats not enough. 4 hellion was a pressure desinged to slow down zerg on their insane mentality to get 60/90 drones as soon possible.
if the zerg was careful enough, good simcity (which terrans do all the time) blocks his entrances, made enough units, he couldnt lose againts 4 hellions nor should he had a hard time to hold it.
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On June 05 2012 19:58 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea? Provide me with replays/VOD that show any recent top level zergs losing to hellion runbys. If it gets patched, surely it's rampant and happens all the time?
I have already stated. Don't you understand english? G-S-L, Leenock vs MMA, Stephano vs Polt. Watch nestea before the patch 1 week later. Now where is your vods where 5 banelings took down a whole army of terran
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I laugh at the TL writers. IM is going to fucking dominate this season.
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On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea?
Pros don't directly lose to a 1 reactor hellion opening unless they derped badly. That build is just to gain map control and control the creep spread of the Zerg.
Most Zergs lose because they don't manage to scout a double reactor hellion play or another sort of all-innish build. That's what the Overlord buff was meant to help with. The Queen change wasn't really very necessary. And even if it was necessary, it's been overdone, IMO.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 05 2012 19:59 akaname wrote:
have we ever seen a reverse all-kill?
Nope. I think the closest was season one. Slayers was down 0-3 and MMA came back to tie it 3-3 before losing to Hack.
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On June 05 2012 19:58 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea? Provide me with recent replays/VOD that show any top level zergs losing to hellion runbys. If it gets patched, surely it's rampant and happens all the time?
I actually never saw zerg lose to just hellion except they are so bad.. or don't even bother to make units to defend in the first place.
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United States97277 Posts
How many reverse all kills have happened in the GSTL?
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Symbol can probably beat Losira, then I honestly think IM will throw MVP out
- TSL is on its last leg
- The fans want it, Symbol wants it
- Why the fuck not?
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I must admit, LosirA looks really impressive, I'm still shocked that he fell into Code B a while ago, the guy has some serious skill, but I guess even the best have their slumps.
I wonder if he can close it out or if Symbol will finally stop him.
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HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE FRUIT AND ICE CREAM!
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On June 05 2012 19:59 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:58 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea? Provide me with replays/VOD that show any recent top level zergs losing to hellion runbys. If it gets patched, surely it's rampant and happens all the time? I have already stated. Don't you understand english? G-S-L, Leenock vs MMA, Stephano vs Polt. Watch nestea before the patch 1 week later. Now where is your vods where 5 banelings took down a whole army of terran
If you ignore him, he might just go away...
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I don't know why they keep sending out Hyun to lose...
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On June 05 2012 20:00 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:58 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea? Provide me with recent replays/VOD that show any top level zergs losing to hellion runbys. If it gets patched, surely it's rampant and happens all the time? I actually never saw zerg lose to just hellion except they are so bad..
Nestea is bad? Oh lord, terrans..
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On June 05 2012 19:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:IM-Coach: "Thanks for making me not look stupid tonight lololololol" + Show Spoiler +
He's actually a good coach though
He's also the most handsome coach in ESPORTS. No homo.
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On June 05 2012 20:00 Fionn wrote:Nope. I think the closest was season one. Slayers was down 0-3 and MMA came back to tie it 3-3 before losing to Hack.
great knowledge, thanks 
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FUUUUUUUUUUUU i want ice cream too
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Australia54785 Posts
On June 05 2012 20:00 Fionn wrote:Nope. I think the closest was season one. Slayers was down 0-3 and MMA came back to tie it 3-3 before losing to Hack.
marineking has reverse all-killed OGS in one of the non-GSTL team league
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Oh no, not again Khaldor! I remember that on his stream LOL
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On June 05 2012 19:59 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 19:58 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:56 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:52 Dalavita wrote:On June 05 2012 19:48 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins. Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard. And how do you propose to pressure them now? With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax. Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered. Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting. If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile. More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords. Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio. Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile. Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so. The queen buff ruined whatever balance TvZ had. The impetus is on terran t o deal damage to get into the lategame with an advantage, and zergs can simply spam queens to be their defense right now, while also providing ridiculous economy advantages and creep spread on top of that. Added to the fact that maps are now larger and terran's pretty much fucked. I'm sure that's balanced for you. PS. Do you see terrans bitching that five banelings can kill all your marines if you don't micro properly? Why are you bitching about hellions killing drones if you're to slow to block your ramp? Funny how so many zergs lost because of hellion runbys and you think its rare that zergs will lose to it. Btw, why don't you point out a terran who loses everything to 5 banelings. Please post a replay. While I can point to the whole gsl before the queen patch to prove hellion runbys actually kills zerg. One example being nestea? Provide me with replays/VOD that show any recent top level zergs losing to hellion runbys. If it gets patched, surely it's rampant and happens all the time? I have already stated. Don't you understand english? G-S-L, Leenock vs MMA, Stephano vs Polt. Watch nestea before the patch 1 week later. Now where is your vods where 5 banelings took down a whole army of terran
Links to vods or at least give me something more substantial than names of people who have played each other a million times so I can actually look it up myself.
On June 05 2012 20:00 Douillos wrote:
If you ignore him, he might just go away...
You seem quite mad with me.
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