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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 05 2012 10:45 GMT
#861

LGIMSK vs TSL

Set 1
Set 2
Set 3

Set 4:

Z1 LosirA <Cloud Kingdom> Z7 HyuN

HyuN 10 pools
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 05 2012 10:45 GMT
#862
10Pool :D
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#863
Cheeky 10-pool..lol
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#864
And Polt vs. Losira wasn't about balance. It was about Polt not walling off and stopping a ling runby. Stop the lings, Polt produces vikings and it's over.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#865
oh noes!

Thankfully Losira has 9 lives :p
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#866
On June 05 2012 19:45 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:44 MentalGNT wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.


Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard.


And how do you propose to pressure them now?
With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax.
Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered.

Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting.

If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile.

You should probably cut "Imbecile" from your post. I agree with your point, but attacking other posters for their opinion is a good way to get banned.

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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#867
On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.


Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard.


And how do you propose to pressure them now?
With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax.
Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered.

Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting.

If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile.


More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords.
Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio.

Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#868
On June 05 2012 19:44 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:41 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:39 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:36 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:35 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.



Oh boo-hoo.

Polt had LosirA against the ropes, was ahead in a lot of ways.

But he let LosirA run lings into all his bases and that threw the game. Your balance whine has nothing to do with the outcome.


How was that balance whining? He totally described the fact that letting a Z drone so heavily, even if your polt is just not a good idea!



But Polt didn't just let the zerg drone.

He tried hellions and cloaked banshees.

LosirA's early game defense was pretty impeccable, though.

Maybe it isn't balance whine, but it was a simplistic statement that didn't really reflect the game I saw.


Really when you see that many queens, wouldnt a 4 cc have been a good idea? Thoughts?


Would've died to the ling/bling aggression that LosirA did, imo


You think?

I would think that iif you go rax expand reactor hellion cloakshee, and then DOUBLE expand, you can ben kind of safe IF you scout 6 queens or so
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BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#869
On June 05 2012 19:41 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:39 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:36 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:35 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.



Oh boo-hoo.

Polt had LosirA against the ropes, was ahead in a lot of ways.

But he let LosirA run lings into all his bases and that threw the game. Your balance whine has nothing to do with the outcome.


How was that balance whining? He totally described the fact that letting a Z drone so heavily, even if your polt is just not a good idea!



But Polt didn't just let the zerg drone.

He tried hellions and cloaked banshees.

LosirA's early game defense was pretty impeccable, though.

Maybe it isn't balance whine, but it was a simplistic statement that didn't really reflect the game I saw.


Really when you see that many queens, wouldnt a 4 cc have been a good idea? Thoughts?


Yeah. I think that's clearly a tell that you can afford to play super greedy. Losira played very smart because he knew exactly the way Polt ALWAYS plays. Polt is very solid but also very predictable.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
June 05 2012 10:47 GMT
#870
On June 05 2012 19:44 Fionn wrote:
Fun fact of GSTL so far: Only one Terran has won in the first seven matches so far. Jjakji beat Crank, Hero, and Puma. Every other Terran has not picked up a win this season. Those Terrans include MMA, Alive, and now Polt.

To be fair, the teams so fair have barely used Terran.


Don't you get Fionn? It's because there's been a sudden surge in skill for players of all the other races. It's obvious, judging from these live report threads.
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Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 05 2012 10:47 GMT
#871
On June 05 2012 19:46 Fionn wrote:
And Polt vs. Losira wasn't about balance. It was about Polt not walling off and stopping a ling runby. Stop the lings, Polt produces vikings and it's over.

Also not establishing a 5th when he had the chance to.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 05 2012 10:47 GMT
#872
On June 05 2012 19:41 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:39 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:36 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:35 Leporello wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.



Oh boo-hoo.

Polt had LosirA against the ropes, was ahead in a lot of ways.

But he let LosirA run lings into all his bases and that threw the game. Your balance whine has nothing to do with the outcome.


How was that balance whining? He totally described the fact that letting a Z drone so heavily, even if your polt is just not a good idea!



But Polt didn't just let the zerg drone.

He tried hellions and cloaked banshees.

LosirA's early game defense was pretty impeccable, though.

Maybe it isn't balance whine, but it was a simplistic statement that didn't really reflect the game I saw.


Really when you see that many queens, wouldnt a 4 cc have been a good idea? Thoughts?

I'm not sure... but with that insane of a creep spread, I'm not sure Polt would have been able to land any of CCs at any expansions. And he did get 3 or so extra CCs after his 3rd. Just couldn't land them anyway due to the insane creep spread.

I don't play Terran and mostly watch pro games anyway, but the issue I have is that TvZ wasn't really that imbalanced prior to the patch and was actually the best match-up in the game, and Blizzard makes such a HUGE change (overlord change was ok, but Queen change was HUGE) and you're actually really seeing its effects in every TvZ. Terrans are having trouble pressuring early while Zerg suddenly have so much more map control and scouting with the insane creep spreads in EVERY TvZ.

And when it gets to the late game also, it's been evident for quite awhile that Zerg's lategame with their ability to tech switch is better than Terrans. Terrans have to do some pressure early and mid game to stay even with Zerg, but Terrans currently haven't found a solution to continue to do it.
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#873
On June 05 2012 19:45 Juliette wrote:

LGIMSK vs TSL

Set 1
Set 2
Set 3

Set 4:

Z1 LosirA <Cloud Kingdom> Z7 HyuN

HyuN 10 pools

HyuN's lings are on teh way! Losira's pool pops before, there's no hatch. Hyun takes a gas and starts droning while he attacks.

4:00 Micro catches some lings, loses a drone, before his own lings pop and defend. Hyun has speed coming, while Losira takes a hatch
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#874
On June 05 2012 19:47 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:44 Fionn wrote:
Fun fact of GSTL so far: Only one Terran has won in the first seven matches so far. Jjakji beat Crank, Hero, and Puma. Every other Terran has not picked up a win this season. Those Terrans include MMA, Alive, and now Polt.

To be fair, the teams so fair have barely used Terran.


Don't you get Fionn? It's because there's been a sudden surge in skill for players of all the other races. It's obvious, judging from these live report threads.


Players preform the best when their race sucks

Just wait for MVP to break the game
LastLordofCastamere
Profile Joined February 2011
288 Posts
June 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#875
On the one hand I want an all kill, on the other hand I want MVP to come out and tear some zerg to shreds...

It's har being an IM fan sometimes
"And who are you", the proud lord said "That I must bow so low?"
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
June 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#876
Interesting player cam. I think LosirA instantly put all his drones in one control group (or moved his mouse-hand for some reason) when he saw the lings.
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 05 2012 10:48 GMT
#877
On June 05 2012 19:46 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:39 Destructicon wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:34 Douillos wrote:
On June 05 2012 19:33 eFonSG wrote:
Super typical game, player 1 doesnt harass the zerg player. Zerg player doesnt do anything other than drone. Zerg player wins.


Yeah, but polt does seem like th type to not give a damn and somehow win. But yeah i agree, gotta stop letting em drone so hard.


And how do you propose to pressure them now?
With the queen buff zerg can just keep spreading creep so much that it keeps them safe from nearly all attacks, be them helions, banshees or the rare 2 rax.
Polt also couldn't do drops for some part of the game due to the possibility of mutas denying him, or the huge vision that the creep spread + overloard spread offered.

Seriously its like some of you guys don't even think before posting.

If we all think like you this game is fucked. Its like saying, you shouldn't try cheese because a terran might scan anytime. Its called taking a risk. Imbecile.


More like calculated risks, lots of which are now easier to scout by zergs thanks to the speed buff to overlords.
Not saying you shouldn't do anything but its far, far far harder to do anything now to zergs because of the buff, and its too much of a simplistic view to say that you need to do something when you get demonstrations of force like that from LosirA and Yughio.

Perhaps you can point us to a game where a zerg did something similar but got shut down before you go out of your way to call someone an imbecile.

Of course it is harder, that's the main point of a patch isn't it? To make games balance? You might think its balance to have hellions burn 20+ drones with just 4 hellions but I can tell you, in the eyes of blizzard its not. And rightfully so.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 05 2012 10:49 GMT
#878
All-in incoming...
1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
June 05 2012 10:49 GMT
#879
Hyun is pretty underwhelming to be honest, apart from dreamhack i haven't really see him win games.
Ofcourse it takes time to become good, but compared to someone like ForGG it looks like he is learning way slower.
Wouldst thou receive my all-in, cousin? - Choya
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 05 2012 10:49 GMT
#880
On June 05 2012 19:47 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 19:46 Fionn wrote:
And Polt vs. Losira wasn't about balance. It was about Polt not walling off and stopping a ling runby. Stop the lings, Polt produces vikings and it's over.

Also not establishing a 5th when he had the chance to.


I agree, despite the fact Polt couldn't pressure for a long time, he had really good engagements and did tons of damage, he could have won the game if he either, defended the run by or if he had scouted and denied the top bases of LosirA.
This is why I believe that no matter what you always need to keep helions alive and to actively use them to scout and maybe catch sneaky bases. Though it probably would be hard to scout the map when half of it is covered in creep.
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