Only the chosen ones in the cult of the GD Studio understands that one!
Hah didn't take long for anyone to spot it :p
First time I've made one of these posts, hopefully it means Apollo will keep streaming! Will update info such as brackets, exact competition details etc as it happens.
As always, my Sunday is reserved for The GD Studio!
Imo Stephano and Bomber should not meet in Round 1. Also, a mirror match should be avoided, so this naturally leads to Stephano - Illusion and Huk - Bomber. But whatever the brackets turn out to be, it would be a very entertaining SC2 Arena!
You guys should probably restart the stream and/or your casting pc because there is pretty painful fps or something else causing the video to jitter constantly. This isn't affecting any of the other hd streams on twitch i switch to so I think its your end.
I like that 2GD says the specific number of units, such as "He has three sentries now, and used four in the last defense." It's such a little thing to do but I've never seen a caster do that before.
On June 04 2012 02:24 arioch wrote: You guys should probably restart the stream and/or your casting pc because there is pretty painful fps or something else causing the video to jitter constantly. This isn't affecting any of the other hd streams on twitch i switch to so I think its your end.
Shame cos this event looks baller so far!
Yes, that's exactly what I meant when I said stutter. This is very annoying and also occurrs in all resolutions.
Why is it that everytime I watch a GD stream, the sound often mutes and doesn't return? I have to refresh the page in order to get sound again (pausing and playing the stream doesn't work).
On June 04 2012 02:53 sekalf wrote: Getting fps stuttering. Its not latency lag. Changing quality doesnt fix it, and its only on the gdstudio stream.
Maybe restart your browser? Everything is fine here.
Ive tried all the usual stuff.. the other streams I have open are doing just fine. Its the first and only time Ive seen fps stuttering (its not regular lag) on a stream so Im pretty sure its something on their end.
On June 04 2012 02:53 sekalf wrote: Getting fps stuttering. Its not latency lag. Changing quality doesnt fix it, and its only on the gdstudio stream.
Maybe restart your browser? Everything is fine here.
Ive tried all the usual stuff.. the other streams I have open are doing just fine. Its the first and only time Ive seen fps stuttering (its not regular lag) on a stream so Im pretty sure its something on their end.
Weird that it would be on their end if others are not having issues.
Edit: Wow that banshee did way less dmg then I expected.
On June 04 2012 02:53 sekalf wrote: Getting fps stuttering. Its not latency lag. Changing quality doesnt fix it, and its only on the gdstudio stream.
Maybe restart your browser? Everything is fine here.
Ive tried all the usual stuff.. the other streams I have open are doing just fine. Its the first and only time Ive seen fps stuttering (its not regular lag) on a stream so Im pretty sure its something on their end.
Its not you, its the settings they are using. FPS is uneven on all my PC:s.
On June 04 2012 03:14 MCDayC wrote: Kinda lame games, but Stephano vs Bomber should be pretty good, hopefully cross serverness doesn't impact it too much.
On June 04 2012 03:14 MCDayC wrote: Kinda lame games, but Stephano vs Bomber should be pretty good, hopefully cross serverness doesn't impact it too much.
and bomber's jetlag
He could be tired also
On June 04 2012 03:16 Hypemeup wrote: Unless Bomber gets owned by cross server lag and/or Jetlag he should have this one in the bag.
Stephano punished Bomber, yes, but he didn't all-in. His build calls for an attack around that timing, and had he all-inned Bomber was dead then and there.
On June 04 2012 02:53 sekalf wrote: Getting fps stuttering. Its not latency lag. Changing quality doesnt fix it, and its only on the gdstudio stream.
Maybe restart your browser? Everything is fine here.
Ive tried all the usual stuff.. the other streams I have open are doing just fine. Its the first and only time Ive seen fps stuttering (its not regular lag) on a stream so Im pretty sure its something on their end.
Its not you, its the settings they are using. FPS is uneven on all my PC:s.
Wasn't able to see the Huk-Illusion series but enjoying the cast for the Stephano-Bomber series. Found 2GD annoying at one point months ago but he has grown on me now and good, humorous casting by both.
On June 04 2012 03:42 MassHysteria wrote: Wasn't able to see the Huk-Illusion series but enjoying the cast for the Stephano-Bomber series. Found 2GD annoying at one point months ago but he has grown on me now and good, humorous casting by both.
On June 04 2012 03:35 Fanta_Rules wrote: Went away for a while, what was the joke?
Sadly it isn't a joke, lol.
Mindblown if you aren't kidding lol.
Yup, there are pictures. Stephano and bling got super drunk after day 2 at mlg arena, stephano has "I'm hard" in english and bling has it tattooed in frech. Bling also got massive tattoo on his arm and both got some piercings
ahah he tried to pull on a show toying with Bomber and letting him come back from a 60 supply deficit leaving him un-harassed to go into late-game and it totally came back to bite him in the ass
I wonder how they'll organize the match if it's Huk - Stephano in the finals since they are playing from the same house. Do they have quiet separate rooms to play from? Do the other EG players stand behind them watching them play or just leave them alone -- can the other players watch the stream from another room?
And do Huk and/or Stephano watch the other play the match? I'd guess they'd be rooting for each other to have the overall winner in the house (or not?) and since it won't give any tips on race strategies, it doesn't really matter.
I'm impressed with 2GD's casting. Such a contrast to earlier times. Seems he really brushed up on his knowledge of SC2 and -- in between his whiskey stupors -- decided to really care.
On Daybreak Bomber put an SCV at the top of the map in the flightpath of the Overlord. The instance Stephano saw it, he pulled the Ovi back and scouted with 2 drones for proxy barracks, also delaying his 3rd because he wanted to stay prepared to build units. Simple but beautiful mindgame by Bomber
On June 04 2012 04:18 Noocta wrote: Nothing feels better than having two banshee one shooting drones. Well, perhaps hellions killing stacked drones is better.
Hunter missiles at the mineral line is pretty sexy as well
On June 04 2012 04:33 snowfox330 wrote: seriously, bomber wins the first 2 games from pure metagame stephano reverse metagame wins game 3 bomber fail metagame loses game 4
Seems like there seems to be a lot of metagaming here.
On June 04 2012 04:33 snowfox330 wrote: seriously, bomber wins the first 2 games from pure metagame stephano reverse metagame wins game 3 bomber fail metagame loses game 4
Ehm?
Bomber won game 1 because Stephano won the game with a bust and 50 supply up and then decided to let the game go on into the ultra late game for no reason.
Bomber won game 2 because of a lucky (or unlucky for Stephano) slip through to a free 3rd snipe and a scan to see the Hive.
Game 4 was a 5rax all in, ther's nothing about "metagame loss" in that, it's an allin that's been going on for ages, just like the roach ling baneling one.
It wasn't Stephano making an amazing hold it was just Bomber fucking up with his scv's attacking drones instead of buffering for the marines against the roaches.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
Once again bomber goes up well in a BO5 series and starts to throw it away, jeez whenever bomber loses it's just the answer to why bomber is such a hilarious under performer at times.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I don't know about wanting to goto bed.. but that was some terrible fucking control from Bomber, his scv's were attacking buildings and not tanking at all, was just bad through out that entire game T.T Maybe he thought he had enough to just A-move?
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
[insert random reason why stephano wins games]
guys, plz get real about stephano... hes just great and that hold was sick.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I don't know about wanting to goto bed.. but that was some terrible fucking control from Bomber, his scv's were attacking buildings and not tanking at all, was just bad through out that entire game T.T Maybe he thought he had enough to just A-move?
400 APM and terrible control? I think you mean bad decision making.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
And he is probably sick.
Well at least he isn't drunk like stephano
Drinking the sorrow of his match vs marineking in the KSL away.
I'm not a fan of Bomber at all, but it is almost 5am there and he probably thought he had won, was incredibly relieved that the series was about to end, and didn't put much effort into securing the win. It's not an excuse. Stephano outplayed him hard.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I think he is jetlagged and he's injured and server lag
And he is probably sick.
Don't forget he's emotionally crushed from earlier against prime. I commend Bomber on just showing up to the series ^^
The ling scout was key here, and Stephano did amazing to not retreat his ling but to go and see what's coming behind. But even though he scouted it, his reactions was amazingly fast , canceling all drones on the way and producing 24 lings instead. And the way he defended was also amazing, like Apollo said the decision to keep mining instaed of pulling all drones was excellent.
(What the hell Apollo ? My fingers are not fat...)
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I don't know about wanting to goto bed.. but that was some terrible fucking control from Bomber, his scv's were attacking buildings and not tanking at all, was just bad through out that entire game T.T Maybe he thought he had enough to just A-move?
400 APM and terrible control? I think you mean bad decision making.
High apm =/= good control... you can spam click all over the place and have bad control still.
On June 04 2012 04:33 snowfox330 wrote: seriously, bomber wins the first 2 games from pure metagame stephano reverse metagame wins game 3 bomber fail metagame loses game 4
Ehm?
Bomber won game 1 because Stephano won the game with a bust and 50 supply up and then decided to let the game go on into the ultra late game for no reason.
Bomber won game 2 because of a lucky (or unlucky for Stephano) slip through to a free 3rd snipe and a scan to see the Hive.
Game 4 was a 5rax all in, ther's nothing about "metagame loss" in that, it's an allin that's been going on for ages, just like the roach ling baneling one.
bomber won game 1 because he knew that stephano will never go mutas in a million years, so he was able to cut corners and use extremely greedy builds along with mass drops to take an advantage game 2 was typical stephano on antiga, stephano plays the same on that map every single game, thats why bomber was able to sneak in and do all the damage with the marines
I loved the mutalisk in game 3 from stephano. I think the weakest thing about stephano is that he never uses mutas against terran, which makes him subject-able to metagame. That third game just proved us all wrong. I think if stephano improves his muta play, he will rise to the Nestea/DRG level of zerg play.
On June 04 2012 04:44 lulutheking wrote: The ling scout was key here, and Stephano did amazing to not retreat his ling but to go and see what's coming behind. But even though he scouted it, his reactions was amazingly fast , canceling all drones on the way and producing 24 lings instead. And the way he defended was also amazing, like Apollo said the decision to keep mining instaed of pulling all drones was excellent.
(What the hell Apollo ? My fingers are not fat...)
You can't cancel units and make lings instead...zerg kinda doesn't work that way. He didn't have any injects at his main and nat because his queens were the first units to fall in the engagement. Stephano did fine...but Bomber fucking A moved, don't chalk it up to something it's not.
On June 04 2012 04:38 Severian wrote: Also notice those stutter-stepping SCVs who then attack some evo chambers for a while. I think Bomber reeeeaaallly wanted to go to bed.
I don't know about wanting to goto bed.. but that was some terrible fucking control from Bomber, his scv's were attacking buildings and not tanking at all, was just bad through out that entire game T.T Maybe he thought he had enough to just A-move?
400 APM and terrible control? I think you mean bad decision making.
High apm =/= good control... you can spam click all over the place and have bad control still.
They're showing it now but Bomber has been sniping overlords for a good 5 minutes down, he's supply blocked Stephano 3 times so far.
Makes me sad when foreigners cast Stephano, "being ahead in every single angle" means being slightly ahead in upgrades, even in econ, and 20 supply behind all game culminating in a 45 supply lead for Bomber before the final engagement...
amazing fire focus on the infestors with the tanks from bomber on the first engagement. Second engagement, he should have won but too many hesitations.... Maybe Baneling would have helped a bit ?
On June 04 2012 04:54 Asha` wrote: Bomber correcting the IPL mistake =)
mistake? 3-2 with a loose just because of a poor engagement means it wasnt a mistake. They are evenly matched and bomber win this time...
He lost because he let bomber's macro explode. Bomber had so many units that tech disadvantage was rendered meaningless. That "poor engagement" was only the logical consequence of Bomber outmacroing Stephano really hard, there was no other possible outcome unless bomber had waited to attack.
On June 04 2012 04:54 Asha` wrote: Bomber correcting the IPL mistake =)
mistake? 3-2 with a loose just because of a poor engagement means it wasnt a mistake. They are evenly matched and bomber win this time...
He lost a game to his opponent changing styles, he was even in upgrades and ahead in supply all game but got manhandled because mutas picked off so many tanks.
He lost a game to painfully mismicroing a push which should have won the game, probably figured it was an easy win in their positions.
He was ahead in supply ALL FUCKING GAME game 5, after delaying his expo when he opponent actually opened 3 hatch. He outmacro'd Stephano, and everyone in chat just spams that he lost because of 1 bad engagement. Just because someone says it doesn't mean it's true.
On June 04 2012 04:54 mordk wrote: Apollo's bias doesn't let him recognize that bomber was in a much better position than he was acknowledging.
Yeah, it's hard to notice when you aren't analyzing the game yourself, but Apollo is making terrible calls this series. I understand why, though - these games are not going the way TvZ normally goes. This last game, for example, Stephano defended everything from Bomber fine, but then he lost five infestors in the middle of the map attacking into one of Bomber's armies. While he did destroy the tanks in that army, it left Bomber with a lot of marines and a supply lead. Then, because Stephano didn't make a lot of additional infestors he ended up having less infestors than he needed to crush the second attack.
Apollo didn't see that during the game, I think - the infestor count was way too low to support the brood count and rushing to broods is not a great idea against Terran in general and Bomber in particular because he plays marine heavy. Stephano was better off doing a later Hive transition and going heavy on the infestor count. Zerg is never ahead of Terran when the advantage they have amounts to having a couple of brood lords and being 30 supply down.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore.
Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals
On June 04 2012 04:54 mordk wrote: Apollo's bias doesn't let him recognize that bomber was in a much better position than he was acknowledging.
Yeah, it's hard to notice when you aren't analyzing the game yourself, but Apollo is making terrible calls this series. I understand why, though - these games are not going the way TvZ normally goes. This last game, for example, Stephano defended everything from Bomber fine, but then he lost five infestors in the middle of the map attacking into one of Bomber's armies. While he did destroy the tanks in that army, it left Bomber with a lot of marines and a supply lead. Then, because Stephano didn't make a lot of additional infestors he ended up having less infestors than he needed to crush the second attack.
Apollo didn't see that during the game, I think - the infestor count was way too low to support the brood count and rushing to broods is not a great idea against Terran in general and Bomber in particular because he plays marine heavy. Stephano was better off doing a later Hive transition and going heavy on the infestor count. Zerg is never ahead of Terran when the advantage they have amounts to having a couple of brood lords and being 30 supply down.
I cannot stand listening to Apollo cast Stephano. Way too biased and it is just really annoying to hear all these incorrect calls and the vast overrating of certain things.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
On June 04 2012 04:54 Asha` wrote: Bomber correcting the IPL mistake =)
mistake? 3-2 with a loose just because of a poor engagement means it wasnt a mistake. They are evenly matched and bomber win this time...
He lost a game to his opponent changing styles, he was even in upgrades and ahead in supply all game but got manhandled because mutas picked off so many tanks.
He lost a game to painfully mismicroing a push which should have won the game, probably figured it was an easy win in their positions.
He was ahead in supply ALL FUCKING GAME game 5, after delaying his expo when he opponent actually opened 3 hatch. He outmacro'd Stephano, and everyone in chat just spams that he lost because of 1 bad engagement. Just because someone says it doesn't mean it's true.
He won the first two games by strongly metagaming Stephano...those arguments sigh.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber was ahead in army supply by like 30-40 bro. He outmacroed Stephano all game and was ahead the entire time.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Stephano had a slight edge in upgs and an edge in tech BUT Bomber was way ahead in army supply.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore.
Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals
did you see how fucking fast bomber remaxed after that fight
there was no losing that game, he outmacrod him too hard.
Apollo doesn't want to admit that's why Stephano lost for some reason.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Stephano had a slight edge in upgs and an edge in tech BUT Bomber was way ahead in army supply.
Sorry for being offtopic, but I looooove that username. Great german band as well. :p And yeah, the opinion expressed there is absolutely correct as well.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
Close series filled with lots of comebacks. Steph should have won 1st game and last game but didn't. Bomber should have won 4th game but didn't. Makes things exciting. Bomber finally gets the better of Stephano, but it was a close thing.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore.
Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals
did you see how fucking fast bomber remaxed after that fight
there was no losing that game, he outmacrod him too hard.
Do you have any knowledge of the game?
He had 1 starport and was remaxing ON MARINES VS 33 CRACKLINGS AND BROODS
If Stephano didn't throw away 50 lings for free making them die in front of the MMM while doing nothing and waited for the 3/3 he would have rolled his way to Bomber's natural and won the game.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber was ahead in army supply by like 30-40 bro. He outmacroed Stephano all game and was ahead the entire time.
being 30-40 supply ahead against a zerg with better upgrades and more bases is outmacroing? rofl
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Stephano had a slight edge in upgs and an edge in tech BUT Bomber was way ahead in army supply.
Sorry for being offtopic, but I looooove that username. Great german band as well. :p And yeah, the opinion expressed there is absolutely correct as well.
Love the band saw them play live at summer slaughter in Toronto a couple years ago <3
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore.
Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals
did you see how fucking fast bomber remaxed after that fight
there was no losing that game, he outmacrod him too hard.
Do you have any knowledge of the game?
He had 1 starport and was remaxing ON MARINES VS 33 CRACKLINGS AND BROODS
If Stephano didn't throw away 50 lings for free making them die in front of the MMM while doing nothing and waited for the 3/3 he would have rolled his way to Bomber's natural and won the game.
On June 04 2012 04:54 Asha` wrote: Bomber correcting the IPL mistake =)
mistake? 3-2 with a loose just because of a poor engagement means it wasnt a mistake. They are evenly matched and bomber win this time...
He lost a game to his opponent changing styles, he was even in upgrades and ahead in supply all game but got manhandled because mutas picked off so many tanks.
He lost a game to painfully mismicroing a push which should have won the game, probably figured it was an easy win in their positions.
He was ahead in supply ALL FUCKING GAME game 5, after delaying his expo when he opponent actually opened 3 hatch. He outmacro'd Stephano, and everyone in chat just spams that he lost because of 1 bad engagement. Just because someone says it doesn't mean it's true.
He won the first two games by strongly metagaming Stephano...those arguments sigh.
I was talking about Bomber, just like the comment I quoted was talking about Bomber. How can you confuse that. I even said game 5 "Opponent actually opened 3 hatch" Since when the fuck does Bomber play Zerg.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber was ahead in army supply by like 30-40 bro. He outmacroed Stephano all game and was ahead the entire time.
being 30-40 supply ahead against a zerg with better upgrades and more bases is outmacroing? rofl
Yea actually it does. Zerg should Almost always be ahead in supply, yes some situations they will be behind but that should not have been the case here. Bomber played much better then Stephano that game, both in Macro and with the engagement.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
PBU? How shocking...
Hopefully this will be a good series, HuK's PvT looked a bit shaky in his series against Illusion, I hope he steps it up while against a better player.
Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines.
He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines.
He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote: bomber was way far ahead before that engagement
Not in the slightest.
3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber
4 bases vs 3 bases
4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings
Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore
Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started
Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines.
He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
The Marine count was 72 when they showed the units tab just before the engagement. >.>
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
Pretty much my trend lately
Gotta love the aerial spellcasters!
Too bad he hates the mothership though. I bet he wants arbiters
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
Pretty much my trend lately
Gotta love the aerial spellcasters!
I feel much hate will be in my direction when the oracle and viper are in the game
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
drazerk only approves of zergs that use contaminate!
Pretty much my trend lately
Gotta love the aerial spellcasters!
Too bad he hates the mothership though. I bet he wants arbiters
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
He is, but he does need to use overseer harassment and creep spread to delay this sort of push. Stephano has to learn those tricks and baneling mines to play ZvT at the very highest level - ie to beat MKP, MVP, etc.
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
He is, but he does need to use overseer harassment and creep spread to delay this sort of push. Stephano has to learn those tricks and baneling mines to play ZvT at the very highest level - ie to beat MKP, MVP, etc.
FYI, Stephano used the banelings mines + mutas style before pioneering the ling/infestor style. But that was before, when IdrA was still considered a top foreigner and when people still thought NA had a lot of good players.
On other news, it's always sad to see the same people arguing over and over again on the same thing. Stephano really makes people choose sides.
Nah, Bomber plays pretty sloppy compared to how he uses to play in TvP, especially when using this build. But he must be insanely tired considering the different timezone etc, so it seems understandable. Still, Bomber fightiiing! :D
On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote: Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
stephano isn't a good zerg now? rofl
He is, but he does need to use overseer harassment and creep spread to delay this sort of push. Stephano has to learn those tricks and baneling mines to play ZvT at the very highest level - ie to beat MKP, MVP, etc.
FYI, Stephano used the banelings mines + mutas style before pioneering the ling/infestor style. But that was before, when IdrA was still considered a top foreigner and when people still thought NA had a lot of good players.
On other news, it's always sad to see the same people arguing over and over again on the same thing. Stephano really makes people choose sides.
He did, but that's not what I'm saying. Fast creep spread, baneling mines, and overseer use are basics that benefit every Zerg build, which ever you're playing. Banelings mines aren't an expensive investment mid game, fast creep spread requires extra queens, which Stephano is able to do because he floats minerals during mid game, and overseers are cheap and have to be made vs. banshee play. You're not trading off strategy when using these tricks. You are trading off APM. But Stephano has the APM to make it happen.
On June 04 2012 05:25 Vansetsu wrote: Wow... did suprised to see such poor control from HuK 0.o
How dare you criticizing top 3 control.
Maybe some lag? Although Bomber has the same delay, HuK has said many times that he can't handle delay ^^.
But i dunno, he really got demolished big time there... The micro was not even close to the level he should have.
I dont think so. His micro/multitasking has been bad compared to what it used to be.
An example comes easily to my mind: his first game on meta against Heart. Even with Stalkers in position and observers, he lost waaaaaaaaaay too many probes to banshee harass.
On June 04 2012 05:45 SeaSwift wrote: What the fuck happened in that game -__-
Bomber didn't expect Huk to continue 8 gating into 4 bunkers once he lost his warp prism for free trying to float into the back of Bomber's base. Then he did and Bomber lost 20 scv's, then Bomber was behind and donated a ton of units with drops (that were mostly well defended) trying to make something happen before lategame.
On June 04 2012 05:45 SeaSwift wrote: What the fuck happened in that game -__-
Bomber didn't expect Huk to continue 8 gating into 4 bunkers once he lost his warp prism for free trying to float into the back of Bomber's base. Then he did and Bomber lost 20 scv's, then Bomber was behind and donated a ton of units with drops (that were mostly well defended) trying to make something happen before lategame.
Thanks for explaining. I went away after Huk threw away his Warp Prism and thought Bomber would roll over him once he got medivacs. Came back and saw Bomber loading his whole army into a fleet of medivacs and running them into Huk's whole army and cannons.
On June 04 2012 05:59 Dodgin wrote: 2GD seems to understand sc2 a lot better than I would expect for someone who doesn't play at all.
I think he's just a really smart guy. Understands decisions very intuitively - although having Apollo living with you probably doesn't hurt.
Yeah I'm pretty sure being with Apollo helped him in that regard. His SC2 knowledge has improved a lot since when I last heard him cast it. Back then he just told stupid jokes all the time, because he had no idea what was going on. Not that that was a bad thing though, I could listen to 2GD talking random bullshit all day.
Think Huk's control at Redbull and 2GD Arena is not top3 control. He is still real good but there is a noticeable dip in form like with majority of EG players
On June 04 2012 06:18 Ireniicus wrote: Think Huk's control at Redbull and 2GD Arena is not top3 control. He is still real good but there is a noticeable dip in form like with majority of EG players
On June 04 2012 06:18 Ireniicus wrote: Think Huk's control at Redbull and 2GD Arena is not top3 control. He is still real good but there is a noticeable dip in form like with majority of EG players
i srsly don't get why people keep inviting illusion...
it was so obvious that he was not going to win. i think people should maybe invite him to some lower class tournaments or actually just wait until he qualifies for some tournament so he can prove himself by actually placing realtively high
On June 04 2012 06:36 Proseat wrote: As the winner takes all the money apparently, it would be really crushing to Bomber to have stayed up this long and not take it in the end. Poor guy.
Isn't Huk in Korea too anyway ? oO Or still at the EG house ?
On June 04 2012 06:36 Proseat wrote: As the winner takes all the money apparently, it would be really crushing to Bomber to have stayed up this long and not take it in the end. Poor guy.
Isn't Huk in Korea too anyway ? oO Or still at the EG house ?
No he's currently at the EG house training for MLG
On June 04 2012 06:36 Proseat wrote: As the winner takes all the money apparently, it would be really crushing to Bomber to have stayed up this long and not take it in the end. Poor guy.
Isn't Huk in Korea too anyway ? oO Or still at the EG house ?
I'm pretty sure he's at the EG house since MLG anaheim is in a week
On June 04 2012 06:33 sVnteen wrote: i srsly don't get why people keep inviting illusion...
it was so obvious that he was not going to win. i think people should maybe invite him to some lower class tournaments or actually just wait until he qualifies for some tournament so he can prove himself by actually placing realtively high
He got 3-1 from the results but I didn't see the games, was he completely demolished in all 3 then got a lucky cheese for a single win? (Didn't see any game)
Despite that however, I don't think you can tell people who they want to potentially give their money to in this kind of invitational.
EPT![[image loading]](http://trance.gg/invi/arenasc2b.jpg)
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EG.
HuK vs ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/2/2f/Us.png)
Quantic.
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Startale.![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/4/4b/Fr.png)
Mil.
Stephano
