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On May 28 2012 23:54 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano has top 3 ZvP in the world, and overall top 5 zerg in the world.
DRG is the best in all 3 matchups as a zerg.
End of discussion.
No...Stephano has arguably the best ZvP in the world, saying anything but top 2 is not correct.
And he's certainly top 3 zerg in the world, i mean look what MC, MKP, Polt, Jaedong and many other korean pros said about Stephano, they're certainly more aware of Stephano's skills than a random guy on TL.
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On May 29 2012 00:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:54 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano has top 3 ZvP in the world, and overall top 5 zerg in the world.
DRG is the best in all 3 matchups as a zerg.
End of discussion. No...Stephano has arguably the best ZvP in the world, saying anything but top 2 is not correct.
Top 3 does include top 2. Though I personally put Stephano at the 2 spot right now for ZvP. Dislike the playstyle(s), but it (they) works (work).
EDIT: I haven't seen DRG play in forever, but the last time I saw him play ZvP, it was pretty ugly for P. Feel free to construe how you will.
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On May 29 2012 00:18 SealOverseer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting. Still the boss toss. On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship. I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP. With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. He lost 2-0 10 months ago when he was a kid going to school and wasn't even a full time pro player. Result = Irrelevant. He lost 1-0 in a BO1 7 months ago (didn't you just call "irrelevant" a BO1 victory of Stephano vs Hero? And now that you need it against him it's vaulable info? whatever.) Result = Irrelevant. He lost 2-0 5 months ago @ HSC. Result = Irrelevant. He lost 5-3 in an online showmatch. Result = Partially Irrelevant. He won 2-0 and lost 2-3 for a positive ratio of 4W-3L in recent offline matches. Reults = Relevant for the current metagame and their forms.
hahahahaahah.
That's the only response to such terrible posts.
Basically I'll explain it for you. Stephano wins = relevant, Stephano loses = irrelevant. Hilarious levels of bias.
On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting. Still the boss toss. On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship. I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP. With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant.
Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly.
How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG?
I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact.
STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012.
In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following:
1st GSL Code S Season 1
1st MLG Spring Arena 1
2nd MLG Winter Championships
2nd GSL Blizzard Cup
2nd MLG Winter Arena 1
3rd MLG Providence.
That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S.
Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012.
But apparently Stephano has been more impressive?
Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players.
Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea it's time to stop posting, you look pathetic
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On May 29 2012 01:00 C-ZG wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea it's time to stop posting, you look pathetic
Don't project. He's posted compelling facts, and makes good points. Discussion over who is or isn't best is contentious, and anyone who claims "end of story" is being a dickhead. People can't even agree that Mvp is the best player in StarCraft 2--why should it be any different for something as irrelevant as "best zerg"?
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On May 29 2012 00:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:54 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Stephano has top 3 ZvP in the world, and overall top 5 zerg in the world.
DRG is the best in all 3 matchups as a zerg.
End of discussion. No...Stephano has arguably the best ZvP in the world, saying anything but top 2 is not correct. And he's certainly top 3 zerg in the world, i mean look what MC, MKP, Polt, Jaedong and many other korean pros said about Stephano, they're certainly more aware of Stephano's skills than a random guy on TL.
None of them said Stephano had "argubly the best ZvP in the world" or "certainly top 3 zerg in the world"..they all claimed Stephano's really really good, which is true. And you're some random guy on TL just like me.
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On May 29 2012 01:00 C-ZG wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea it's time to stop posting, you look pathetic
Of course he should stop posting those facts and agree on the "Stephano best ZvP better than DRG" statement which is the absolute truth of the universe.
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On May 29 2012 01:00 C-ZG wrote:
Aeroplaneoverthesea it's time to stop posting, you look pathetic
Bring on the facts because I am posting nothing but hard results here and none of you have anything but vague statements and opinions not supported by facts.
You can write that Stephano has the best Zerg vs X all you like but results make it true not you saying it.
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On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting. Still the boss toss. On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship. I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP. With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012.
While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby.
1st Lone Star Clash
2nd Assembly
3rd MLG Spring Arena 2
3rd Red Bull LAN
The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO.
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On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO.
TitaN is 2nd ELO, you certainly wouldn't consider him as 2nd internationally.
ELO means nothing until there is one proleague to include all the players in the same competition.
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On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO. Well, DRG's results are arguably better still. One first each, but he has 2 2nds and a third as opposed to 2 3rds and a second. also Assembly was great but Lone Star Clash wasn't the toughest toughest competition. don't get me wrong he's a beast. I think DRG is a bit ahead internationally even, however.
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On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO.
ELO isn't a fair judgement of skills, given that Stephano only has played in international events excluding Blizzard Cup, whereas DRG has been in Korean events (which don't factor into international ELO) and international events.
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On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO.
Oh Stephano has played well this year for sure. He's having a solid 2012 and cementing his place as the best foreign player. I'm not arguing he's bad, average or anything like that.
He's just not better than DRG, not the best ZvP in the world and not in worlds top five players like a lot of people are claiming.
ELO is really silly as Taeja, Curious, Titan and Sen are proving right now.
Internationally DRG has done better too in 2012.
This is the list of events DRG has played outside of Korea this year:
MLG Winter Arena - 2nd
MLG Winter Championships - 2nd
MLG Spring Arena 1 - 1st
MLG Spring Arena 2 - 8-12th (lost to MC/Polt both 2-1)
So he's made the final of 3 out of the 4 events he's been to and the event he didn't do so well in he lost to absolute best of the best level players in Polt and MC.
Stephano's played in a lot more events and while he's done really well in some he's had some stinkers/non amazing results too:
MLG Winter Championships - Knocked out by Polt/Inori from the open bracket.
Homestory IV - Knocked out of the group stage by Sound/MC/MKP
IPL 4 - Finished 5th/6th. Lost to Nestea/MMA
Iron Squid - Lost to Life, MMA (w/o) and Jjakji in the groups.
So I'd call DRG more consistant at foreign events as well.
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On May 28 2012 23:59 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:56 Rhedsa wrote:
Just watched yesterday's game's and ZvP seems pretty balanced to me. Stephano just missed to build more spines late game and MC's control was top-notch. LINK TO VODS PLS TY 
Here is Day2 http://www.twitch.tv/redbullgaming/b/319551124 although the first two quarterfinals between Stephano-Parting and SaSe-MC should pop up in day9's VOD section soon: http://day9.tv/archives/
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On May 29 2012 01:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
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Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO. TitaN is 2nd ELO, you certainly wouldn't consider him as 2nd internationally. ELO means nothing until there is one proleague to include all the players in the same competition.
Is not. Here is the list of the international ranking :
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players
MKP is 2nd, MC third, DRG 4th. I'd say the ranking is a fair representative of the strength AND the participation of a player in international events. (obviously, if you participate in a lot of events, you're more likely to go higher if you win 60%+ of your matches, as most of these players do).
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Not sure what this whole zvp discussion has to do with anything..people are getting so desperate these days, they will try to argue anything.
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On May 29 2012 01:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
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Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO. Oh Stephano has played well this year for sure. He's having a solid 2012 and cementing his place as the best foreign player. I'm not arguing he's bad, average or anything like that. He's just not better than DRG, not the best ZvP in the world and not in worlds top five players like a lot of people are claiming. ELO is really silly as Taeja, Curious, Titan and Sen are proving right now.
Well I made a fast search of DRG & Stephano ZvP latest matches on TL :
Stephano won all his ZvP except vs MC (2 loss 1 win) & Hero (1 loss)
DRG won all his ZvP except vs MC (1 loss 1 win) & Parting (1 loss 1 win)
I'd say it's quite even.
As for Stephano not being top5 player in the world right now, it's nothing but a matter of taste & opinion : if you ask 100 different ppl who top 5 is, you'll get 100 different answers...either you rely on a tool that has its flaws (international ELO) or you just throw random words in the wind that have no real meaning other than expressing your opinion.
Oh btw I think DRG is a better player than Stephano overall (he has more viable tools imho, mutas for example) and at ZvT, but I find their ZvP to be pretty much equal. About ZvZ, I've no idea how the matchup works, I wouldn't judge, but it seems both of them aren't really specialists in this matchup, although they can get some wins.
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On May 29 2012 01:37 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:On May 29 2012 01:15 Choboo wrote:On May 29 2012 00:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 29 2012 00:33 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.
Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now. Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive. MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday. Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings. Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC. Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record. It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP). No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up. Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant. Erm what? DRG won an MLG just a few weeks ago. DRG won a Code S this year and made the final of two MLG's. Stephano hasn't made a premier LAN final since Assembly. How on earth has Stephano been more impressive than DRG? I will repeat this as apparently some people are blind to this basic fact. STEPHANO HAS NOT WON A PREMIER LAN SINCE OCTOBER 2011. THAT IS 7 MONTHS AGO. HE HAS REACHED ONLY ONE PREMIER LAN FINAL IN 2012. In the time since Stephano won his last Premier LAN DRG has achieved the following: 1st GSL Code S Season 1 1st MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd MLG Winter Championships 2nd GSL Blizzard Cup 2nd MLG Winter Arena 1 3rd MLG Providence. That is the final of 4 Premier LAN's and the winner of 2 in 2012. Including the biggest and best tournament of all -- Code S. Stephano has made 1 Premier LAN final and won 0 in 2012. But apparently Stephano has been more impressive? Stephano is a very good Code S level player but his results in 2012 are so wildly overrated when in reality he's actually done worse than quite a few players. Alive, MKP, DRG, MMA, MC, MVP, Violet have all played better than Stephano in 2012. While I agree with you if one is to list Stephano's achievements in the same time-span and manner as you listed DRG's it isn't looking too shabby. 1st Lone Star Clash 2nd Assembly 3rd MLG Spring Arena 2 3rd Red Bull LAN The only thing that's really differentiating DRG and Stephano right now is GSL results but internationally they're about the same I'd say considering Stephano has #1 international ELO. TitaN is 2nd ELO, you certainly wouldn't consider him as 2nd internationally. ELO means nothing until there is one proleague to include all the players in the same competition. Is not. Here is the list of the international ranking : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/playersMKP is 2nd, MC third, DRG 4th. I'd say the ranking is a fair representative of the strength AND the participation of a player in international events. (obviously, if you participate in a lot of events, you're more likely to go higher if you win 60%+ of your matches, as most of these players do).
You don't increase your elo by having a good winrate , you can only increase it by beating people more often than the formula expects you to.
Elo internationally hasn't been the best representation of skill because Koreans hadn't played enough games, give it a bit more time though and you won't find anyone rational arguing against its accuracy.
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Are there any VODs for the whole event?
I mainly want to see how Squirtle lost to Bomber, 3-0. Very surprising.
Thanks for anyone who shares links.
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