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Anyone know where to get the replays? Been searching around and the site only seems to have the replay of the final game, unless I'm missing something there..
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Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy.
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On May 28 2012 20:58 Aazean wrote:
Anyone know where to get the replays? Been searching around and the site only seems to have the replay of the final game, unless I'm missing something there..
http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/001243035003218
if you scroll down to 'match history' you can download all the other replays
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Ohh silly me, missed that completely.. Thanks!
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On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy.
You kidding me?
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On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy.
Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano.
DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won?
Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable.
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On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting. Still the boss toss. On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship. I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP. With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players.
Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC.
Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title
On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy. Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano. DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won? Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable.
We talking about ZvP what in gods name does winning tournament got todo with anything? We dont say Stephano are better then DRG we saying atm Stephano got the best ZvP in the world and the stats and last week slaughter vs the best protoss in the world proved that
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On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title
What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months?
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On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.
Still the boss toss.
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I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.
With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out. Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy. Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano. DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won? Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable. We talking about ZvP what in gods name does winning tournament got todo with anything? We dont say Stephano are better then DRG we saying atm Stephano got the best ZvP in the world and the stats and last week slaughter vs the best protoss in the world proved that
Dude just don't bother answering to this maniac he's crazy
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On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
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Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months?
Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements
- Won the Lone Star Clash (March)
- Second at Assembly Winter (February)
And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency.
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On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.
Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency.
That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way.
DRG has:
1st - GSL Code S Season 1
1st - MLG Spring Arena 1
2nd - MLG Winter Championship
2nd - MLG Winter Arena
Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL.
On May 28 2012 21:18 Hemula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
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Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money. He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano. Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy. Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano. DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won? Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable. We talking about ZvP what in gods name does winning tournament got todo with anything? We dont say Stephano are better then DRG we saying atm Stephano got the best ZvP in the world and the stats and last week slaughter vs the best protoss in the world proved that Dude just don't bother answering to this maniac he's crazy
See this is the kind of poster I'm talking about. In the world of Hemula (which is presumably inhabited primarily by unicorns, leprechauns and mermaids) I am crazy for thinking DRG is better than Stephano.
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On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
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Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.
I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?
My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL.
You seem a bit confused, nobody is questioning that DRG is overall the better player. this discussion was about the zvp matchup only
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
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Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.
I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?
My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Hemula wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.
Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy. Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano. DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won? Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable. We talking about ZvP what in gods name does winning tournament got todo with anything? We dont say Stephano are better then DRG we saying atm Stephano got the best ZvP in the world and the stats and last week slaughter vs the best protoss in the world proved that Dude just don't bother answering to this maniac he's crazy See this is the kind of poster I'm talking about. In the world of Hemula (which is presumably inhabited primarily by unicorns, leprechauns and mermaids) I am crazy for thinking DRG is better than Stephano.
Who said Stephano is better than DRG overall? Nobody did. It's only his ZvP people praise as being better than DRG's, which is true if you look at the last DRG's and Stephano's ZvP results. I am a Stephano fan but I don't think he's the best player in the world, what the fuck. But he is sick good, you can't deny that.
Edit: Especially at ZvP.
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On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
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Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.
I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?
My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Hemula wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.
Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably. Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens. I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it? My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy. Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano. DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won? Perhaps you should think about that before considering that viewing DRG as better than Stephano is unreasonable. We talking about ZvP what in gods name does winning tournament got todo with anything? We dont say Stephano are better then DRG we saying atm Stephano got the best ZvP in the world and the stats and last week slaughter vs the best protoss in the world proved that Dude just don't bother answering to this maniac he's crazy See this is the kind of poster I'm talking about. In the world of Hemula (which is presumably inhabited primarily by unicorns, leprechauns and mermaids) I am crazy for thinking DRG is better than Stephano.
You're simply ignoring what people are writing - that Stephanos ZvP is stronger than DRGs, not that he is the better player.
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On May 28 2012 21:24 hyperdemented wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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My loose order:
1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator
Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).
Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.
Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.
He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. You seem a bit confused, nobody is questioning that DRG is overall the better player. this discussion was about the zvp matchup only
DRG has a winning record versus the following players:
MC, JYP, Naniwa, Hero, Huk, Parting, Genius.
DRG has a losing record vs these players:
Absolutely no one.
Stephano has a winning record vs these players:
JYP, Huk, Parting, Squirtle, Grubby.
Stephano has a losing record vs these players:
MC, Naniwa.
Stephano has an even record vs these players:
Hero.
So how exactly is Stephano better at this matchup?
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On May 28 2012 21:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:24 hyperdemented wrote:On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:
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He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world..
Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. You seem a bit confused, nobody is questioning that DRG is overall the better player. this discussion was about the zvp matchup only DRG has a winning record versus the following players: MC, JYP, Naniwa, Hero, Huk, Parting, Genius. DRG has a losing record vs these players: Absolutely no one. Stephano has a winning record vs these players: JYP, Huk, Parting, Squirtle, Grubby. Stephano has a losing record vs these players: MC, Naniwa. Stephano has an even record vs these players: Hero. So how exactly is Stephano better at this matchup?
At the past months, dude. Relax
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On May 28 2012 21:28 Hemula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:24 hyperdemented wrote:On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list.
DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano.
Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. You seem a bit confused, nobody is questioning that DRG is overall the better player. this discussion was about the zvp matchup only DRG has a winning record versus the following players: MC, JYP, Naniwa, Hero, Huk, Parting, Genius. DRG has a losing record vs these players: Absolutely no one. Stephano has a winning record vs these players: JYP, Huk, Parting, Squirtle, Grubby. Stephano has a losing record vs these players: MC, Naniwa. Stephano has an even record vs these players: Hero. So how exactly is Stephano better at this matchup? At the past months, dude. Relax
So you're ignoring tournaments won and records vs the best Protoss?
So what exactly is your evidence for Stephano being better?
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On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
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Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.
I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?
My loose order: 1. MC 2. Hero 3. Squirtle 4. Oz 5. Genius 6. JYP 7. Puzzle 8. Parting 9. Crank 10. Creator Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori). Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world. Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race. He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world.. Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena
How is MLG Spring Arena 1 a Premier LAN then? That was a small 8 man invitational.
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On May 28 2012 21:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:24 hyperdemented wrote:On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:
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He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world..
Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs. He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list. DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano. Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters. And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice. So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011? DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there. Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world. Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses. DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players. Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC. Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months? Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements- Won the Lone Star Clash (March) - Second at Assembly Winter (February) And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency. That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way. DRG has: 1st - GSL Code S Season 1 1st - MLG Spring Arena 1 2nd - MLG Winter Championship 2nd - MLG Winter Arena Hence my opinion that DRG is a better player. Unbelievably this is a controversial opinion on TL. You seem a bit confused, nobody is questioning that DRG is overall the better player. this discussion was about the zvp matchup only DRG has a winning record versus the following players: MC, JYP, Naniwa, Hero, Huk, Parting, Genius. DRG has a losing record vs these players: Absolutely no one. Stephano has a winning record vs these players: JYP, Huk, Parting, Squirtle, Grubby. Stephano has a losing record vs these players: MC, Naniwa. Stephano has an even record vs these players: Hero. So how exactly is Stephano better at this matchup?
I never said myself that stephano is the better zvper, i do think him and DRG are very close though, and i base that on watching them play, not on stats.
Its hard to compare them by stats since DRG has won vs people stephano never got to play. Also, theres just not a big enough sample size to judge stephano vs some players, e.g. hero (one bo1, and an online bo3 right after his vacation? that basically doesnt tell you anything)
Its also hard to compare their zvps since stephano has evolved constantly and perfected his playstyle in the last few months, so losses against MC and Naniwa in 2011 dont mean anything if you are comparing DRG to Stephano in zvp NOW.
what im trying to say is, comparing them using outdated statistics is impossible, and that being said, to me they look about the same in zvp.
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