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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 28 2012 12:40 GMT
#5321
On May 28 2012 21:38 Champloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 21:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:18 Opera wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
[quote]

My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world..

Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs.


He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list.

DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano.


Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters.

And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice.


So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011?

DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there.

Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world.

Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses.

DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players.


Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC.

Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title


What premier LAN's has Stephano made the final of in the last six months?

Let me liquipedia this for you : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements
- Won the Lone Star Clash (March)
- Second at Assembly Winter (February)

And also third place finish at MLG Spring Arena 2 and the one he just got. That's just the past 3 months. I don't this many players can claim such consistency.


That's nice. Lone Star wasn't a Premier LAN though by the way.

DRG has:
1st - GSL Code S Season 1
1st - MLG Spring Arena 1
2nd - MLG Winter Championship
2nd - MLG Winter Arena


How is MLG Spring Arena 1 a Premier LAN then? That was a small 8 man invitational.


With 8 of the worlds best players.

LoneStar was Polt/Stephano and Violet.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
May 28 2012 13:46 GMT
#5322
hey guys,

do you know where can i can find the parting vs stephano match ? with the post game interview
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
fAiryqt
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation138 Posts
May 28 2012 13:50 GMT
#5323
i wanted violet vs mc to play against so bad ;(
gezus
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 28 2012 13:55 GMT
#5324
Anyone know if VODs are up?
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 28 2012 14:05 GMT
#5325
On May 28 2012 21:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 20:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:54 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:45 Benjamin99 wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

[quote]

I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


He dominated every korean protoss player he meet except MC? Are you insane? I actually think Stephano just proved this tournament he proberly got the best ZvP in the world..

Just this weekend 7-4 vs the 3 best protoss in the world and less then a week ago he dominated MC in MLG 2-0 so in 1 week he are 9-4 vs the 3 best protoss players in the world. Its allmost mindblowing considering how much protoss players has dominated korean zergs.


He doesn't dominate Hero. Hero has beaten him before and he hasn't played the majority of that list.

DRG is better at ZvP than Stephano.


Hero has only beat Stephano online when Stephano just got back from vacation really you gonna use online result now? Stephano beat Hero at a lan offline (blizzard cup) where it matters.

And DRG are better then Stephano? says who? Stats tell otherwice.


So basically Stephano is better than Hero because he won a best of 1 in December 2011?

DRG has a winning record vs every Protoss out there.

Stephano has a losing record to MC, a losing record to Naniwa, an equal record with Hero and hasn't even played most of the best PvZers in the world.

Stephano is really good at ZvP, the second best in the world but DRG is more proven and better. DRG has consistantly beaten the biggest Protoss players on the biggest stages (GSL). Stephano has a very good record against Protoss but nothing like the record of DRG and pads his stats with a lot of wins vs poor foreign Protoss he way outclasses.

DRG has barely even dropped a game to foreign Protoss players.


Thats you opinion but look at the stats. Alos keep in mind DRG just played in MLG where he looked very shaky in that match allmost lost to Socke and lost to MC.

Nahh be fair atm Stephano got that title


If you look at the stats Nestea has the best ZvP.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
May 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#5326
The whole discussion about who's the best ZvP in the world between Stephano and DRG doesn't means a lot to me. Stephano seems to have a better late game and reading of protoss build, therefore is really good at pressure protoss with 200 ling roach. DRG style is slightly different, when he go roach he go for upgrade like burrow and burrow movement, Stephano style is to hit sooner and stronger, it is less safe because you need perfect unit control but it allow him to transition to late game easilly while DRG invest a lot of gaz in his roach. However, DRG has a sick muta play and transition off 3 bases that Stephano never does.

It's actually two different style, both very strong, DRG style is possibly stronger on certain opponent than Stephano, but the opposite is also true.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
May 28 2012 14:19 GMT
#5327
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship.


I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now.
Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive.
gold_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada312 Posts
May 28 2012 14:29 GMT
#5328
Enough crying and arguing, more links to the finals VOD's!
I am from Canada, eh!
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 14:52:31
May 28 2012 14:40 GMT
#5329
On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship.


I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now.
Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive.


MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday.

Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings.

Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC.

Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record.

It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP).
bropedo
Profile Joined April 2012
United States89 Posts
May 28 2012 14:42 GMT
#5330
damn, wanted bomber to win D:
Gogo Terran: MKP ByuN || Toss: Parting Rain || Zerg: Life HyuN
minilance
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 28 2012 14:54 GMT
#5331
MC FOR PRESIDENT
Bisu, Jangbang <3
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
May 28 2012 14:54 GMT
#5332
Stephano has top 3 ZvP in the world, and overall top 5 zerg in the world.

DRG is the best in all 3 matchups as a zerg.

End of discussion.
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
May 28 2012 14:56 GMT
#5333
Just watched yesterday's game's and ZvP seems pretty balanced to me. Stephano just missed to build more spines late game and MC's control was top-notch.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 28 2012 14:59 GMT
#5334
On May 28 2012 23:56 Rhedsa wrote:
Just watched yesterday's game's and ZvP seems pretty balanced to me. Stephano just missed to build more spines late game and MC's control was top-notch.


LINK TO VODS PLS TY
SealOverseer
Profile Joined May 2012
Netherlands159 Posts
May 28 2012 15:11 GMT
#5335
On May 28 2012 21:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 21:00 Funkydonky wrote:
Dont bother responding to Aeroplaneoverthesea, he is Blasphemy. The usual stephano hater and korean fanboy.


Yes. Because thinking DRG is better than Stephano is hating on Stephano.

DRG has won a Code S and an MLG this year. What has Stephano won?
.


40'000$ in 2012, 7th highest income in SC2.

Also it's interesting how you claim "well Stephano doesn't really stomp koreans he just beat Squirtle and Parting while losing to Hero, MC and Inori".

Conveniently "forgetting" that he beat JYP at IPL4.

And MC at the Spring Arena.

And the loss to Hero was online.

And he has an even score vs Inori who beat him 2-1 with two heavy BO allins wins.


I think you're just using the "oh you all think Stephano's better than DRG" excuse to keep pointing out incorrect statements about Stephano himself and you're going a little bit overboard with it.

It's a shareable thought to claim DRG is better than Stephano, but using wrong/incorrect statistics isn't going to turn the argument your way.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 28 2012 15:17 GMT
#5336
Aeroplaneoverthesea is most certainly the second coming of Seraphone.
SealOverseer
Profile Joined May 2012
Netherlands159 Posts
May 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#5337
On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship.


I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now.
Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive.


MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday.

Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings.


He lost 2-0 10 months ago when he was a kid going to school and wasn't even a full time pro player. Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 1-0 in a BO1 7 months ago (didn't you just call "irrelevant" a BO1 victory of Stephano vs Hero? And now that you need it against him it's vaulable info? whatever.) Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 2-0 5 months ago @ HSC. Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 5-3 in an online showmatch. Result = Partially Irrelevant.

He won 2-0 and lost 2-3 for a positive ratio of 4W-3L in recent offline matches. Reults = Relevant for the current metagame and their forms.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
May 28 2012 15:33 GMT
#5338
On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship.


I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now.
Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive.


MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday.

Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings.

Where as DRG is 11-8 vs MC.

Stephano's stats are padded by beating endless bad foreigners DRG could beat with funday monday strats. Against the best of the best DRG has the superior record.

It's been over six months since DRG lost to a foreign Protoss in ZvP and in his entire career he's lost twice. Only five players have ever beaten DRG in a best 3/5/7/9 PvZ (Naniwa, Gatored, MC, Parting and JYP).


No, Those 10 wins were ages ago when Stephano wasn't the beast he is nowadays in this match up.

Just look at DRG's and Stepahno's record in the last months. No matter how you hate Stephano or love DRG...Objectively, Stephano has been more impressive, and don't start talking about what happened in the last 12 months, it's irrelevant.
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
May 28 2012 15:35 GMT
#5339
On May 29 2012 00:18 SealOverseer wrote:
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On May 28 2012 23:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 23:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 20:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 28 2012 19:21 revel8 wrote:
On May 28 2012 18:30 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
You really do have to give MC credit. He's so often written off but time and time again he wins major tournaments, which is more than can be said for 'better' Protoss players like Squirtle and Parting.

Still the boss toss.

On May 28 2012 18:26 Otolia wrote:
So people predicted Stephano to fall to Squirtle or PartinG but he fall to MC. Oh well two top 3 in a row is quite honorable. Now there is MLG Spring Championship.


I would expect Stephano to beat Parting, Parting is nothing special in PvZ, I'm not sure he'd even make my top 10 of PvZers and definitely not top 5 where as Stephano is second to only DRG in ZvP.

With the Squirtle games it's a 3rd place playoff so I don't know how much either player really cared. Those games are always a bit of a wash out.


Pretty sure Squirtle is not going to throw away $3000. That is the difference between 3rd and 4th place prize-money.


He's won $42k from Sc2 before any salary he might get from Startale (idk if they pay any salaries or not) and as he lives in a team house he has no outgoings. So the 2k post tax her would have gotten from this isn't exactly a massive deal to him, and even less to Stephano.


Sounds to me like you are making excuses for Squirtle or trying to discredit Stephano for beating Squirtle quite comfortably.
Maybe you are just embarrassed for claiming earlier this weekend that Stephano does not stomp Korean Protoss players? We all make bad predictions from time-to-time. It happens.

I am curious to know what your Top 10 ranking for PvZ players and where Parting places in it. Can you please share it?


My loose order:

1. MC
2. Hero
3. Squirtle
4. Oz
5. Genius
6. JYP
7. Puzzle
8. Parting
9. Crank
10. Creator

Stephano doesn't stomp Korean Protoss. He has wins vs some (Parting/Squirtle) and loses vs some (MC, Hero, Inori).

Stomping is what MMA does to Zerg i.e he's a clear favourite vs every Zerg in the world.

Stephano has a clear losing record vs MC which is not something you get from someone who stomps a certain race.


The same can be said about Stephano in the past months, he's favored against any protoss in the world, and fyi he beat Hero in Blizzard cup and already beat Inori(in NASL qualifiers iirc), he also beat JYP who is quite high in your list, all of them in a very convincing way(almost stomps). Deal with it, recently Stephano is the best ZvP'er in the world right now.
Compare this to this, only a biased person wouldn't say Stephano has been more impressive.


MC is favoured against Stephano. That's why MC is currently 13-6 against Stephano and beat him just yesterday.

Stephano has a 31% win rate vs MC, how does that make him favoured? He's only beaten MC once in five meetings.


He lost 2-0 10 months ago when he was a kid going to school and wasn't even a full time pro player. Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 1-0 in a BO1 7 months ago (didn't you just call "irrelevant" a BO1 victory of Stephano vs Hero? And now that you need it against him it's vaulable info? whatever.) Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 2-0 5 months ago @ HSC. Result = Irrelevant.

He lost 5-3 in an online showmatch. Result = Partially Irrelevant.

He won 2-0 and lost 2-3 for a positive ratio of 4W-3L in recent offline matches. Reults = Relevant for the current metagame and their forms.


Oh man, things are only relevant if they conveniently line up to give a positive ratio.

Perhaps Stephano has a better chance currently than 6-13 suggests (this is probably true), but completely discarding old results that point to MC consistently getting the better of him for the time being is not quite how to go about showing that.
StrafeJD
Profile Joined November 2011
United States39 Posts
May 28 2012 15:36 GMT
#5340
MC is just a dominant player when he wants to win. I'm surprised he beat bomber in the finals though, his PvT isn't the best but him winning a 7 game series vs terran is a big step
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